And how do you know Earth's climate changes all the time? Because we, climate scientists, discovered that and told you so. But if we now warn humans are impacting climate change and accelerating it in a direction we definitely should not go, you don't believe it?? Bit hypocritical isn't it? Either you follow science or you don't. Don't cherry pick.
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And how do you know Earth's climate changes all the time? Because we, climate scientists, discovered that and told you so. But if we now warn humans are impacting climate change and accelerating it in a direction we definitely should not go, you don't believe it?? Bit hypocritical isn't it? Either you follow science or you don't. Don't cherry pick.
If Apple can achieve this goal while maintaining the quality of the product, it'll be a huge accomplishment.
Just about to say the same thing xflashx, like stop gluing stuff, but we know that ain't gonna happen & as for environmental whatever, I just read it as an opportunity to buy back your existing product for peanuts regurgitate it & sell it back to you, soon computers will be the newMusic, u just rent it from
Actually, I wouldn't be opposed to some sort of Computer "Rental" program where you can pay $1,600 and have a new MBP every 2 or 3 yrs for a minimal $200 - $400 "update" fee.
Bla bla bla planned obsolescence bla bla bla glued/soldered bla bla...
Some people are very good at recycling, recycling the same old rubbish arguments again and again.
THIS!
Hey, logic has no place amongst conclusions derived from emotional irrationality.
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Yep!
Maybe in the USA where they were just promised more coal plants like it was 1910...
But there are many other nations with Apple stores around the world that use combination of clean energy sources or renewables that would factor here.
For example, virtually all electricity in Ontario is either nuclear or hydro. Appple stores here would be "clean" energy too amd be factored into these stats
Its a con really. As others have pointed out how about longevity in their products instead? Not going to happen, as it defies an industry built on disposable expensive devices always faster, better, more powerful. End mining? Hah thats the biggest joke. So as the population increases and demands ever more per person…somehow there is enough old stuff out there to recycle (requires energy and new raw material by the way) to satisfy an even greater compounded demand by an even larger population? I don't think so..the numbers don't add up folks. Recycling is hugely energy intensive and easily creates more pollution than its trying to solve. Hey I'm all for recycling don't get me wrong, just be prepared to pay for it because it will cost much more than using new materials. Good for apple for putting forth this excellent marketing campaign to sell even more at a higher price… my stock will skyrocket! hah!
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Read Apple's report. Several of Apple's data centres take their renewable energy direct from the source rather than from the local grid, so the 'accounting gimmick' argument which was nonsense anyway, isn't even based on reality anymore.
This.
I described something similar to your idea, I was thinking about refurbishing a Mac but a brand new product would work too (and they could refurbish the one you give back and sell it to someone else).
Since they already have iPhone upgrade program they could do the same with iPads and Macs, so you don't have to pay the full price but you pay a monthly fee and every 12 months you can get a new model and renew the loan, or you keep your device and finish to pay it after a year.
Prove yours
You made the claim that climate change was bunk, you need to prove your credentials so that we can know if we're dealing with an expert here, or just talking out of your ass. Whether he is a scientist or not, what that user stated is what 97% of the worlds climate change scientists have found. So don't listen to this guy, but maybe you should listen to the overwhelming scientific community
So basically, a PR stunt, similar to the way that Apple proudly talks about their mineral reports each year... reports which are required of almost every US company, and which are mostly created by a consortium consisting of everyone from Apple to Samsung to Verizon. But only Apple makes a big deal about it and pretends like they did it all on their own.
How about some more details on how they expect to pull this off without recycling at least as many iPhones as they make each year?
Mind you, someone needs to come up with a viable touchscreen circuit alternative to rare earths. Now if Apple's working on that (as are many others), that would be cool, and they should say so.
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What would be the point of he/she proving their credentials as a climate scientist if you've already shown that you're one of those people who doesn't believe what climate scientists say?
I know. I was referring to a more compelling price or discount. The trade in values are scammy at best. Better to resale it, which means it isn't properly recycled unless the last user is responsible.
Great points. However, can we at least agree that this focus on control of ssd's (form factor, pins, trim support, etc) is at best somewhat confusing given the use of fusion drives and hdd's in various models? Does APFS use a different interface with those devices compared to ssd's, and if so could that interface be used for 3rd party ssd's with the caveat of potentially reduced performance compared to apple ssd's? I assume these arguments are all moot for memory or do you happen to know of proprietary interfaces there as well?
The whole point of reusability is attempting to future proof (within reason). Using an industry standard connector makes that possible as new products are developed which improve upon the characteristics of products available at time of sale. Using replaceable 3rd party parts allows focusing on core competence and the ability to change suppliers without redesign.
Why does Apple focus so much on controlling costs and upgrade for memory and storage, but shows questionable commitment to displays and networking? It seems to the consumer that this is purely a profit-based executive decision rather than a commitment to a complete user experience or underlying technical benefits of pushing newer protocols or taking advantage of advanced engineering by controlling all of the pieces. Similar arguments are the prevailing reason for sticking with lightening for the iPhone rather than moving to usb-c, given what I understand about the technical merits of each.
To the consumer it feels very much that Apple is happy to collect the apple tax where it's easy to grab, even though that cash grab is at odds with their focus on renewables and recycling. This strikes me as a particularly inconsistent stance.
TLDR - Apple vs Patagonia, I think only one of those two is truly committed to their principles even at the expense of the bottom line.
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given the fact that apple just wants to fraud you, obviously.
have you ever heard of brightstar? apple is just like a collection point for brightstar.
if you believe that apple triggers activation locks on random devices just to brick them and take them back as scrap to resell well, I prefer 100s times to not be "the brightest of the bunch" instead of a paranoid-conspiracy theorist.
we can discuss for hours about how low are brightsars' evaluation for used devices (seen with my eyes, less than 400$ for a brand new ip7+ just to buy the red edition) or how apple as one of the biggest company on hearth could do more for the environment, but you are accusing apple to activate icloud locks on random iPhones to fraud people, oh and you are doing that without any proof.
I would absolutely support this, but try getting John Q. Public to support anything with the word "Nuclear" in it, over feel-good bandages like "solar" and "wind".
So several of Apple's data centers do that? Not all? Then by your own admission, Apple's claim is a lie.
\yeah, even here we have the jgroups yelling about DOOM, DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM because of Nuclear energy.
they don't realize that it really is one of the safest forms of energy productions around (when it's done right). Canada's CANDU reactors are some of the safest around the world. and we didn't puyt them on any major fault lines
