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Apple shares are nothing and have no relation to anything. Just because stocks go up does'nt mean the company's making the right moves. Apple has been accused in the past for manipulating stock to go up and so have other companies so be careful on what you praise about.

And second, RIM is not going away like Palm. They know what they're doing and focusing on the CORPORATE/BUSINESS world that demands more performance and power for their work than the mass "I wanna, wanna" consumer market, like those that consume up Starbucks Coffee.

The PlayBook is for working professionals, not toy playing consumers that like to show off in a "Oh, look how kewl I am for holding this thing".

Buying an Apple product is like buying status at a Starbucks.

You living in a cave, in RIM denial or short sighted? Sounds like you will suffer the same fate as RIM's CEO. Deny reality until it is too late.
 
Yeah, because Balsillie wants all Canadians to see how stupid Americans are from their BlackBerry usage.

What kind of comment, is that? Everyone knows Canadians are really down to earth and honest. Unless you are referring to the fact that it takes longer to access your data, which I doubt.

Does anyone here even know Jim tried to buy 3 NHL teams?

He failed at this too?
 
I have Exchange Active Sync (EAS) on my iPhone and I receive corporate emails faster on my iPhone than my computer...So I do not see any issue here.
The issue with iPhone has been security for many corporates...this has been and continue to be solved by Apple so it is not or won't be an issue anymore.

The main issue is price! For a corporate the monthly fee for an iPhone vs. a BB can be twice more expensive for an iPhone...Not sure who owns this but I beleive that is Apple who is asking too high contribution fees to phone network providers. As long as this is not solved one way or the other, Apple won't be number 1 in the entreprise world...For instance in my comapny they offer BB...it costs about 20€ per month...and iPhone is about 30€ if not more...so at least 1/3 more expensive...multiiply this by the number of users and the choice is quickly made by the IT teams.

One more thing...Apple did a good job on emails but still has a lot to do to catch up with RIM. Can't save attachement unless you download a specific app to do it, cannot serach by time period, cannot mark read or unread several emails at once, cannot set up out of office, etc...etc...etc...

Depends on where you live. If you take into account that the BB requires a License to be purchased [Typically $99 USD] for Enterprise use; $150 for the phone, and if I use AT&T [just for the sake of consistency], I can get a 2GB Data Plan for $25/month. A new 16GB iPhone is $199, no license is needed, and a 2GB data plan is the same cost as the BB; $25/month. So actually, the iPhone is cheaper.

Don't make blanket statements that it's more expensive period..it's not true.
 
its great Apple is looking to expand Enterprise work... but i hate to say it but the mail program on the iPhone stinks.

lets face it, Mail on iphone blows when compared to blackberry. There is no security like blackberry has on top of the entirely inadequate mail program.

You can't search well beyond the most recent emails. on a blackberry you can search thousands of recent emails and it just works.

on the iphone... you search for an older email... it gets hung up and waits... finds nothing.

until Apple gets serious about email, they wont truly succeed here.

Sounds like your phone has issues, or your email server has issues. Never experienced this on any iPhone I've used with Exchange 2003 - 2007...
 
Depends on where you live. If you take into account that the BB requires a License to be purchased [Typically $99 USD] for Enterprise use; $150 for the phone, and if I use AT&T [just for the sake of consistency], I can get a 2GB Data Plan for $25/month. A new 16GB iPhone is $199, no license is needed, and a 2GB data plan is the same cost as the BB; $25/month. So actually, the iPhone is cheaper.

Don't make blanket statements that it's more expensive period..it's not true.

Does the license needs to be renewed? If it is just one shot then moving to the iPhone means more expensive. But I agree it may depend on regions...in Europe most of countries do have to subscribe to a specific subscribtion for the iPhone which is as far as I know more expensive than BB. And as I said in addition the BB servers are more reliable, stable and fitting to enterprise...same thing with mail app. So those saying RIM is sinking, I am not sure Apple is yet to take over...will need at least 3 more years in my opinion assuming the catch up with their server and mail interface.
 
Depends on where you live. If you take into account that the BB requires a License to be purchased [Typically $99 USD] for Enterprise use; $150 for the phone, and if I use AT&T [just for the sake of consistency], I can get a 2GB Data Plan for $25/month. A new 16GB iPhone is $199, no license is needed, and a 2GB data plan is the same cost as the BB; $25/month. So actually, the iPhone is cheaper.

Don't make blanket statements that it's more expensive period..it's not true.

the BES server is $2500. add $4000 or so for the server hardware or the costs to put it on a VM. plus the CAL's and support costs if you want new versions and support.

the management is good for some organizations, but most companies don't care that it allows IT to ruthlessly control their phone
 
the BES server is $2500. add $4000 or so for the server hardware or the costs to put it on a VM. plus the CAL's and support costs if you want new versions and support.

the management is good for some organizations, but most companies don't care that it allows IT to ruthlessly control their phone

So what are you saying actually? For most companies (in general) BB would overall cost more or iPhone would?
 
So what are you saying actually? For most companies (in general) BB would overall cost more or iPhone would?

cheapest VZW blackberry is $50 and $45 a month for the corporate data plan. with blackberries unless you have the corporate data plan it won't let you use MS Exchange email.

iphone is $199 and $25 a month

BB also needs a BES server that is going to run you $2500, plus $50 or so per user CAL and support and hardware costs. and someone has to be around to know how it works, add users to it, etc.

with the iphone management is done from the MS Exchange server

BB is still more secure if you need the security for trade secrets. but iOS is like MS Windows in the 1990's. it's good enough and has features that are better than the legacy competition for most users
 
what sort of enterprise are you talking about? Any enterprise worth getting 5 senior sales/marketing execs from RIM is not one that buys Xserves as a core data center technology (most of these shops are 'tolerating' *nix now, with a Mainframe in the back room, and a slew of Windows Server 2003 blade farms throughout).

Apple wants to sell an iPad/iPhone and a Mac Desktop/MBP to every employee in the company. The IT department will fight that tooth and nail, just like they fought Blackberry's for years. These 5 people will sell to the users and force CIOs to support them.

Apple's integration with Active Directory is more important than Xserve. Integrating into central configuration is more important than owning the webtier.

If Sun couldn't take over the data center, how do you think Apple will fare any better with a 'data center centric' attack. No, the 'long pull' plan is to own the desktops, then invade the server room (as we saw Microsoft do circa 1990).

The Apple modus operandi is selling phones and pads to sell desktops. Halo Effect. It worked with iPods 5 years ago on college campuses... With instant connectivity the key force multiplier (no calling back to the office or texting somone for data), getting every 'sales/knowledge-worker' mobile access to the data is key, and putting on a device that eliminates either a laptop or a phone (or both) makes total sense.

The next logical step is figuring out how to sell Apple OSX Server software into virtualized environments, which is what real enterprises want (remember, they haven't gotten rid of exchange, so they're gonna have dozen's of exchange machines.... ). This puts a foothold into owning the most important part of the halo, the web-app tier. Much like how hard it is for Lotus Shops to give up Notes database apps, once you lock in into web development on OSX server optimized for safari on your device farm (think IIS and IE), you've got a toe hold to the enterprise.

Blackberry has no such hold... their BES boxes were nice utilities to link to Notes and Exchange Servers, and they have no DNA for enterprise apps. Apple's has that DNA (again see the reference to NeXT and WebObjects, and the scale of their commercial websites and online services).

I see the plan... I've seen it before. Jobs has read Ballmer's book.
Bingo...not Ballmer though.
 
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Bingo...not Ballmer though.

are you kidding? that's how MS got big.

back in the 1990's you could buy the upgrade version of MS Office even if you were running a competing software and it would transfer the data for you. i thought corel and everyone else was so dumb not doing what MS was doing.

same thing with Windows. NT had hooks to work with Novell and Unix
 
I think they have sent a very clear signal to enterprises: Apple's own data centers use Solaris, and not Mac OS X Server. So if they don't trust their own server operating system, why should anybody else use it?

I doubt that there will be a server edition of OS X Lion - and from what they've shown, the desktop version of Lion will become too much like their dumbed down, closed down iOS for my taste. Lion is definitely not the direction in why I want to go.

I'm considering dumping Aperture for Bibble Pro and Snow Leopard for Ubuntu. The difference between Snow Leopard and Ubuntu 10.10 is marginal, but it's harder for me to stomach the transition away from Aperture to Bibble Pro. But Bibble has one killer feature going for it: It has lens correction built in, and that feature really is awesome.

For everything else in my professional and digital life, I'd be better off with Linux or Windows 7 anyway. The places where I make my living just don't use Mac OS X. They never have, and they quite obviously never will.

As long as Macs can run other operating systems, I will most likely still buy Apple hardware. But I think that my time in Apple's software land is about to end.

Apple had a short window of real opportunity, and that was before Windows 7 and the latest incarnations of Ubuntu saw the light of day and caught up with Mac OS X in the usability department and significantly out-perform it when it comes to sheer computing power.

Another aspect that I truly despise about Mac OS X is that its true purpose is to tie people to Apple hardware. That alone is reason enough to jump ship.

What?? You make no sense at all. Apple dumped the XServe due to sales, not because they didn't trust their OS. Get your facts straight...

Also, your observation of Lion is the same. They've added some scroll bars to look like the iPad, and are adding an APP store. How does that mean it's "dumbed down"? Pure FUD...

You despise the fact of how they sell their hardware/software, yet you bought it. Wow...I don't know if your dumb, or just restarted...both perhaps?
 



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As evidence of Apple's strong push into the enterprise market for the iPhone, The Wall Street Journal reports (subscription required) that the company has hired at least five key members of Research in Motion's enterprise sales staff over the last year and a half.The report notes that Apple revealed during its most recent earnings conference call that 80% of Fortune 500 companies are piloting or using the iPhone. During that same call, Apple CEO Steve Jobs noted that Apple had handily beat Research in Motion in smartphone sales for the quarter, and reported that he doesn't see the BlackBerry maker catching back up.Also on that conference call, Apple Chief Operating Officer Tim Cook noted that while Apple isn't offering business-specific hardware, the company is making a stronger push into enterprise sales as the iPhone's software has continued to gain features important for corporate customers. To that end, Apple has worked with its carrier partners to support corporate-friendly billing and other solutions for the iPhone and iPad, and has tapped partners such as Unisys to assist with supporting enterprise and government customers.

Article Link: Apple Poaching Enterprise Sales Staff From Research in Motion


Why apple want to poach enterprise sales staff, they themselves kill off xserve and now they want to go corporate sales...........
 
RIM is not going away anytime soon ... cost wise you can send 50,000 emails on a BB vs 2,500 on an iPhone.

BBs were made for email ... not to have 250,000 useless Apps on them.

They will always have a huge chunk of the Business Market :cool:
 
RIM is not going away anytime soon ... cost wise you can send 50,000 emails on a BB vs 2,500 on an iPhone.

BBs were made for email ... not to have 250,000 useless Apps on them.

Dream on. Have you not seen how much market share RIM has lost in the last couple years?

The very fact that iPhone and Android phones can get most of the same email functionality as a BB without having to buy, integrate and maintain a BES (along with that additional cost to the end user who has to pay extra for the service) is already causing a huge migration away from BB. I'm watching it happen in my own workplace, and the sales/market share stats support my view. RIM is dead in the water.
 
Dream on. Have you not seen how much market share RIM has lost in the last couple years?

The very fact that iPhone and Android phones can get most of the same email functionality as a BB without having to buy, integrate and maintain a BES (along with that additional cost to the end user who has to pay extra for the service) is already causing a huge migration away from BB. I'm watching it happen in my own workplace, and the sales/market share stats support my view. RIM is dead in the water.

time will tell ... by your standards, BB should already be gone
 
time will tell ... by your standards, BB should already be gone

Didn't say anything about RIM being "gone." I just said they're bleeding market share and being undermined by better products. I think RIM will never completely disappear, but, barring any stunningly brilliant moves, they are going to be transformed into a minor player in the next few years.
 
... On that same call, Apple Chief Executive Steve Jobs triggered a war of words with RIM co-Chief Executive Jim Balsillie by taking several swipes at RIM during the call. For instance, Jobs noted the iPhone outsold the BlackBerry in RIM's corresponding quarter and he questioned the viability of 7-inch tablet computers, which include RIM's upcoming PlayBook...

I would buy a 7" iPad. It's not just RIM who plans to release 7" form factor devices, Steve. Samsung's got a Droid-like device coming out soon, I believe. You've been warned. :apple:
 
Seriously. ****.

Go shave that 'fro from your avatar and conform to Apple like a slave.

Go read up 1984.

More projection. Not everyone is as rabid in their beliefs as you.


Now your argument has devolved to my avatar; a sure sign I have won the argument.

You speaking Ebonics?

RIM is not going away, Apple Phag.

More attempts to use sexual preferences and race as humor? This is 2010 and we have this sad display before us. You have to realize that just because you have lost an argument, you do not need to resort to such tactics.
 
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i have a problem

i reset my ipod from the ipod itself and now the screen is stuck on the icon to download itunes and i already have it.... help!:(
 
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