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Apple Poaching Enterprise Sales Staff From Research in Motion
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They have MP3 players that run Android?well said - I'd just swap the iOS device for an Android one... but that's just me
IMAP still requires a connection "ping" with mobile devices.
Nothing holds a candle to RIM's true push service as far as battery life goes. That's why they paid over a half billion dollars for the patent.
Although, IIRC, the patent runs out sometime in this decade. Then things will get interesting.
It's called Google. Use it unless you're afraid of them.
Apple is not the only company accused by the government for stock manipulation or back dating. It's also in the MacRumors archives.
I have something for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJvVEt6F_Xw&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Ask yourself. Which one is Steve Jobs? Which one is the sheep? And which one are you?
I've seen the PlayBook compared to iPad online as a test.
The former is faster than the latter when it comes to loading and rendering time. It's on CNET and YouTube. Perhaps you've heard of them?
what sort of enterprise are you talking about? Any enterprise worth getting 5 senior sales/marketing execs from RIM is not one that buys Xserves as a core data center technology (most of these shops are 'tolerating' *nix now, with a Mainframe in the back room, and a slew of Windows Server 2003 blade farms throughout).
Apple wants to sell an iPad/iPhone and a Mac Desktop/MBP to every employee in the company. The IT department will fight that tooth and nail, just like they fought Blackberry's for years. These 5 people will sell to the users and force CIOs to support them.
Apple's integration with Active Directory is more important than Xserve. Integrating into central configuration is more important than owning the webtier.
If Sun couldn't take over the data center, how do you think Apple will fare any better with a 'data center centric' attack. No, the 'long pull' plan is to own the desktops, then invade the server room (as we saw Microsoft do circa 1990).
The Apple modus operandi is selling phones and pads to sell desktops. Halo Effect. It worked with iPods 5 years ago on college campuses... With instant connectivity the key force multiplier (no calling back to the office or texting somone for data), getting every 'sales/knowledge-worker' mobile access to the data is key, and putting on a device that eliminates either a laptop or a phone (or both) makes total sense.
The next logical step is figuring out how to sell Apple OSX Server software into virtualized environments, which is what real enterprises want (remember, they haven't gotten rid of exchange, so they're gonna have dozen's of exchange machines.... ). This puts a foothold into owning the most important part of the halo, the web-app tier. Much like how hard it is for Lotus Shops to give up Notes database apps, once you lock in into web development on OSX server optimized for safari on your device farm (think IIS and IE), you've got a toe hold to the enterprise.
Blackberry has no such hold... their BES boxes were nice utilities to link to Notes and Exchange Servers, and they have no DNA for enterprise apps. Apple's has that DNA (again see the reference to NeXT and WebObjects, and the scale of their commercial websites and online services).
I see the plan... I've seen it before. Jobs has read Ballmer's book.
This makes sense given Apple's interest in working with Fortune 500 companies, but I always think it's strange that Apple even tries to push into the enterprise market. I get that it's a lucrative field and all that, but these are some of the slowest-moving, profoundly indifferent sectors of the market. These people (the Enterprise market) used Windows 98. Windows CE (Wince). Outlook email. They seem to care more about support and broad acceptance than about quality or thoughtful design. It just seems like a direction Apple won't ever make headway with...
You're projecting again.
Which brand of iphone did you say you use? Apple or generic? I can't remember.
I must be missing something. I don't have gmail, I don't have exchange, and I get push just fine (but yes, I do have my mail forwarded to me.com).
its great Apple is looking to expand Enterprise work... but i hate to say it but the mail program on the iPhone stinks.
lets face it, Mail on iphone blows when compared to blackberry. There is no security like blackberry has on top of the entirely inadequate mail program.
You can't search well beyond the most recent emails. on a blackberry you can search thousands of recent emails and it just works.
on the iphone... you search for an older email... it gets hung up and waits... finds nothing.
until Apple gets serious about email, they wont truly succeed here.
lets face it, Mail on iphone blows when compared to blackberry. There is no security like blackberry has on top of the entirely inadequate mail program.
You can't search well beyond the most recent emails. on a blackberry you can search thousands of recent emails and it just works.
on the iphone... you search for an older email... it gets hung up and waits... finds nothing.
until Apple gets serious about email, they wont truly succeed here.
There's an ocean of difference between what is "business-grade" and what was referred to as "business specific" by Apple.
Business-grade is usually a term used to indicate the product is capable of withstanding a higher rate of usage compared to consumer usage; such as what might be required of a printer or copy machine. It would be crazy to think a business person would use an iPhone more then a teen-aged girl.
The playbook has half the pixels to diddle with. It had better be faster on those two tasks.
In most major markets there are usually three big leaders and a flock of also-rans. So, there is a place for Apple, Android, and RIM. Or, will it be Apple, Microsoft and RIM?
A 2 year BlackBerry has an unusable trackball. I literally want to throw the BlackBerry. What was even the point of that? It's harder to use. Glad they changed to the "optical trackpad". Does it even work with gloves?
I have Gmail and Yahoo! Mail and works fine.I think Apple has a good chance to be a successful player in the enterprise market. They don't just bring a smart phone to the party, they bring a whole ecosystem. The enterprise market is RIM's to lose, and it will be hard put to hold on against some of the brands eying the market.
There were people who thought Jordan was overrated, people who thought the Corvette was not the best sports car out there, and people who thought Elvis sounded like crap. There's always differing opinions, but it's hard to argue with an overwhelming majority of similar opinions. The iPhone is destroying other phones. Destroying. Embarrassing. Yes, you can point out little things it doesn't have. Jordan didn't block many shots, but he was still the best at everything else.
You're smoking crack.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJvVEt6F_Xw&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Mixed signals
Apple is sending mixes signals to the enterprise. The whack xserve and haven't made any confirmation of Lion Server. Plus every other point release messes with AD binding or smb browsing. They need to get their act together. In consumer retail they rule, but in the enterprise they have to learn it can't be their way or the highway.
Apple is sending mixes signals to the enterprise. The whack xserve and haven't made any confirmation of Lion Server. Plus every other point release messes with AD binding or smb browsing. They need to get their act together. In consumer retail they rule, but in the enterprise they have to learn it can't be their way or the highway.