Apple Poaching Gaming PR Execs from Activision and Nintendo

[mattcube64]

I've been here for ~5 years, and have lurked even longer, and I never reply to topics like this.

That said: HAHAHAHAHA @ anyone who thinks Nintendo is going to go out of business or get bought out in the next five years.

The Wii is way underpowered. No way it'll sell as well as the X360 and PS3.
... Oh wait.

Two screens?! HA! What a gimmick. You know they'll just toss out another GameBoy in a year! The PSP RULEZ!
... Oh wait.

The Gamecube didn't sell enough to keep Nintendo going!
... Oh wait.

The GameBoy Advance is doomed! The NGP is 16bits! And is backlit!
... Oh wait.

The N64 doesn't use CDs?! No way can it keep up with the PSX and Saturn. Nintendo is doomed!
... Oh wait.

The GameBoy is so underpowered. The GameGear will eat it for breakfast.
... Oh wait.

And so on and so forth.

Heck, watch this from the Christmas of 1990. We're talking 21 some years ago, and the national news was reporting Nintendo was doomed because of the upcoming Sega Genesis:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_E2lh1lgmk&feature=related




Nintendo has one failure: The Virtual Boy. One. And even then, the GameBoy brand was strong, and they launched the N64 the next year. Sure, you can say the Gamecube wasn't a huge success... but they still made a fair amount of profit. And they followed it up with the Wii and DS, two of the most successful gaming products of all time.

And another thing to keep in mind. Sony lost a fair amount of money with each system sold when they launched the PS3. As did MS with their 360. But guess what... every single Wii sold made a profit.


Any giant can fail. I don't argue that. But I'll bet anything Nintendo will most certainly be around in 5-10 years. And I'd be surprised if my grandchildren aren't playing their consoles in 40 years.

 

[tigress666]

The N64 doesn't use CDs?! No way can it keep up with the PSX and Saturn. Nintendo is doomed!
... Oh wait.

I'm sorry, but Sony pretty much did rule the market around the time of the PSX and Nintendo 64.

The PSX was a very popular/good system. I think Sony has coasted on its popularity with its following systems. I know I was very excited for the PS2 cause I loved my PSX so much. It got almost all of the good games in my opinion. When I bought it I was actually not much of a Sony fan, in fact I pretty much saw them as gone down in quality and coasting on their name, but it was already obvious at the time between the PSX and the Saturn that the PSX was winning and getting the good games. Therefore, if I wanted a gaming system that got the games, I should get the PSX. I never once regretted that decision. The Nintendo never even came close to being a contender for having much interesting and the Saturn died pretty quickly a sad and lonely death (I do like Sega, I was sad to hear they gave up and went to games only. I just today was talking about how it seems so wrong they have Sega games for Nintendo).

I suppose the N64 did a much better job of holding its own against hte PSX than Sega did as it did seem to live out a full life vs. beaten so bad that it disappeared quickly, but that is what it did, hold its own. PSX was definitely though the machine to beat, not the N64.

(and yeah, Sony apparently has this bad habit of coasting on reputation once it gets it . They coasted on their quality reputation and their quality went downhill and now it seems they are coasting on the Playstation name).

(and I'll admit, the PSX was probably my favorite gaming system I've owned. I own a Wii now as my mom gave me hers as well as the PS2 and I think I've found maybe one game so far for the Wii I actually might want. I'm so disappointed cause I was excited to have a "modern" console as my most modern one besides it is the PS2. But I guess not surprised cause the only time Nintendo had many games I wanted was when I was a little kid. And I'll admit I was disappointed in the games the PS2 attracted, it seems Xbox won that battle of who gets most the games that I'd want. But it did get a few good games. Including one that was supposed to be made for the Wii, I forget why they didn't, Okami. And honestly, Okami would have been better off on the Wii as the gameplay involves drawing lines and stuff, I think they probably designed gameplay with Wii in mind but something happened so it ended up on the PS2... I can't remember why it did but I do know it was originally going to be on the Wii).

 

[mattcube64]

^^^ But that's exactly my point. I agree, Nintendo certainly has its ups and its downs. Any company does. But with that said, they always "hold their own" just fine.

 

[AndroidfoLife]

We care about things the competition doesn't. So figure out what Apple *is* doing and what everyone else isn't. Then you'll have some idea.

It's something that's quite difficult to articulate in words, because the answer will beg a deeper elaboration. Easiest thing is to pick up an iOS device (or a Mac) and use it. There's your answer. It's in the first-hand experiencing.

If you can discern no difference or very little difference, then I submit you won't know the difference between a Breitling and a Casio with Mickey on it.

"Experience" differs from person to person as it is a perception. I pick up an iOS device and i think of it as a nanny phone. Me personally I do not care for porn on my mobile device. But I think I still should be given the right to chose if I do. Because it is my mobile devise and this is how it differs from person to person. Some people are happy that apple makes the decisions other think its bad. Some people think overly simplistic is insulting, some think its needed.

To this day the phone I had the best experiance on is...My blackberry bold. R.I.M. makes some great phones.

 

[ten-oak-druid]

"Experience" differs from person to person as it is a perception. I pick up an iOS device and i think of it as a nanny phone. Me personally I do not care for porn on my mobile device. But I think I still should be given the right to chose if I do.

What are you talking about?

You can put porn on an iphone. Go to a porn website if you wish to. Howard Stern talks about youporn on his ipad for instance. Or take a video on your hard drive, stick it in itunes and sync it. It's no different than any other website or file.

This reminds me of people who think the music you load on your iphone or ipod has to be purchased from the itunes store.

 

[esmode]

Cluttered as in messy. It is horrible. Its like those awful webpages that get made and the author thinks its great because he stuck in all sorts of things when simplicity would be so much better.

There are 3 boxes in the middle of the page with very little content: often just an image. There isn't enough content to argue that it's messy. If anything, it's overly simplistic.

Go scroll through your netflix queue on Apple TV and on xbox. But first make sure there are 100 titles in it. Then get back to me....

You're talking about the Netflix app, not the Xbox UI. The Xbox UI and many of apps deal with large lists and queues differently. That being said, as far as the app goes, it sounds like you are saying that they oversimplified the UI, which is contrary to your previous criticism.

Look, if you like the platform fine, but don't deny it is hideous and cumbersome.

I haven't stated how I feel about the platform because my opinion isn't relevant towards the argument I was making. I disputed a few specific points that you made and your response is all over the place.

Actually my preferences are very relevant. I stated my opinion and look at all the people, including you, who are determined to state I'm wrong

Your preferences are not relevant towards the argument you were making.
When you are talking about sales and market share, your personal preferences are not relevant unless you are able to make a correlation between them and the general consumer/critic reception. There are certainly a number of flaws that have affected the platform, however, those flaws are quite different from the ones that you stated.

Some are down right emotional about it.

That's between you and them.

1. You are presupposing I'm an Apple kool-aid drinker

You've basically been doing the same thing.

 

[ten-oak-druid]

I haven't stated how I feel about the platform because my opinion isn't relevant towards the argument I was making. I disputed a few specific points that you made and your response is all over the place.

All over the place? You pulled quotes of my responses to others.

Look, the xbox interface is a mess. And that is my opinion and I know I am not alone.

You said the netscape issue is app specific. It is not. The netscape interface on the xbox uses the same theme as the rest of the xbox so it is not "app" specific. It uses a scroll up and down for main menu and then scroll left to right for secondary menu just like the rest of xbox.

I am pretty good at finding my way around GUI's but I must say it was rather confusing trying to find the account information section. The xbox uses two buttons to move up and down menu levels like the Apple TV uses menu and enter. But to get into other sections you need that central green button.

In hind site it sounds silly to complain about this but when you are new to a system, stuff like that is not intuitive. You scroll all over the main screen of xbox looking for account info or trying to turn off the system using the software and it turns out a third button is needed.

It didn't take me long to find it but a customer who isn't computer savvy and doesn't want to spend much time learning how to get around isn't going to be happy with that.

Then there is the time it takes to get into netflix with a new xbox. First you log onto the home network. No big deal. Then you fire up netflix expecting to have to enter your netflix account name and password. That would be the end of it on Apple TV. But no, you have to waste half an hour creating an account for the gold member thing which is basically the windows chat system similar to mobileme. And of course you have to get your credit card out in the process. Then you can log into netflix. What a pain.

The xbox needs a redesign. Make the icons smaller and stop that scroll loop. Furthermore the user should have an option to delete all the items he or she doesn't want on the menu. And finally the information you gain access to when you push the green button should get an icon on the main screen so you can find it in the infinite scroll.

The other thing I've heard but cannot confirm is the ability to cancel the gold account. I've heard stories that it is difficult to stop them from billing you. I hope that isn't the case but I won't know until I sell my xbox for something better like an apple tv or roku.

You've basically been doing the same thing.

Because I said if you like the platform fine? You may or may not like the platform but I believe it is a stretch to defend xbox's GUI either way. On the other hand the statement I made was to someone who claimed I was a "kool-aid drinker", a direct accusation, simply because my opinion differed from his or hers.

Keep digging...

 

[AndroidfoLife]

What are you talking about?

You can put porn on an iphone. Go to a porn website if you wish to. Howard Stern talks about youporn on his ipad for instance. Or take a video on your hard drive, stick it in itunes and sync it. It's no different than any other website or file.

This reminds me of people who think the music you load on your iphone or ipod has to be purchased from the itunes store.

But i do not have the ability to take the phone i paid for and put an app related to Porn or one that bashes homosexuals.

 

[ten-oak-druid]

But i do not have the ability to take the phone i paid for and put an app related to Porn or one that bashes homosexuals.

I guess I never thought that the naked ladies in the video are more appealing from an app than from a web browser but you may have a point. That is a restriction to be sure On the other hand it is wrong to say you cannot put porn on the iphone. It simply isn't true.

I for one am glad that Apple has its appstore [TM]. I went to and android store after doing a google search. It looked like some third rate web site. You know the kind where you wonder if clicking on a link will infect you with a virus.

As for bashing homosexuals, well I'm sure if that is what you want to do, then you'll probably find some creative way to go about it.

 

[AndroidfoLife]

I guess I never thought that the naked ladies in the video are more appealing from an app than from a web browser but you may have a point. That is a restriction to be sure On the other hand it is wrong to say you cannot put porn on the iphone. It simply isn't true.

I for one am glad that Apple has its appstore [TM]. I went to and android store after doing a google search. It looked like some third rate web site. You know the kind where you wonder if clicking on a link will infect you with a virus.

As for bashing homosexuals, well I'm sure if that is what you want to do, then you'll probably find some creative way to go about it.

As far as the android market i find it okay. I only want a place to get apps. I don't need anything fancy. I do like how i can select an app on my web browser and it will download directly to my phone. I generally use the one by amazon anyway.

http://www.prdaily.com/Main/Articles/Church_group_slams_Apple_for_pulling_gaybashing_ap_6397.aspx

 

[JGowan]

Heaven...

... would be classic Zelda on my iPad.

 

[tigress666]

... would be classic Zelda on my iPad.

No, damnit, it would be Final Fantasy VII on my iPhone . Besides, seeing as Square is making games and porting some final fantasies over to the iphone and Nintendo isn't putting any games on iOS and views Apple now as a rival, I have more chance of my "heaven" becoming true .

 

[AndroidfoLife]

No, damnit, it would be Final Fantasy VII on my iPhone . Besides, seeing as Square is making games and porting some final fantasies over to the iphone and Nintendo isn't putting any games on iOS and views Apple now as a rival, I have more chance of my "heaven" becoming true .

I don't think you want final fantasy VII on your iOS device yet. The latter FFs (7 an on) where a little large. Final fantasy VII before a port is 1.3gbs, 8 is 1.8gbs. and they get bigger the higher you go. Plus the early iOS devices would not be able to run it.

Edit: it will enrage millions of fans. After being teased with all the media for a remake of FFVII getting a mobile port. We want a console game not a port.

 

[tigress666]

I don't think you want final fantasy VII on your iOS device yet. The latter FFs (7 an on) where a little large. Final fantasy VII before a port is 1.3gbs, 8 is 1.8gbs. and they get bigger the higher you go. Plus the early iOS devices would not be able to run it.

Hey, I'd deal with the size for having it on my iphone (and I could care less about VIII. It was the one Final Fantasy I've played so far that i didn't like. I couldn't care less about the characters and it just plain bored me). And honestly, there are a lot of games already out there that earlier iOS devices wouldn't be able to run (anything that doesn't run iOS 4 well or at all. I have found several just silly games that a friend who doesn't have iOS4 wanted and found that she couldn't put them on her phone cause she isn't running the latest OS).

And I've heard that VII plays fine on a iphone 4 at least on the jailbroken one with the psx emulator . So, yeah, I personally don't have a problem with it not running so well on earlier devices since I got a 4 .

Besides, they are only on III now so they got some ways to go to get to VII so by the time they do (if they release them in order which they seem to be doing) probably more iOS devices that are out will run it fine. Meanwhile they could release Chrono Trigger on the iphone as well.

 

[AndroidfoLife]

Hey, I'd deal with the size for having it on my iphone (and I could care less about VIII. It was the one Final Fantasy I've played so far that i didn't like. I couldn't care less about the characters and it just plain bored me). And honestly, there are a lot of games already out there that earlier iOS devices wouldn't be able to run (anything that doesn't run iOS 4 well or at all. I have found several just silly games that a friend who doesn't have iOS4 wanted and found that she couldn't put them on her phone cause she isn't running the latest OS).

And I've heard that VII plays fine on a iphone 4 at least on the jailbroken one with the psx emulator . So, yeah, I personally don't have a problem with it not running so well on earlier devices since I got a 4 .

Besides, they are only on III now so they got some ways to go to get to VII so by the time they do (if they release them in order which they seem to be doing) probably more iOS devices that are out will run it fine. Meanwhile they could release Chrono Trigger on the iphone as well.

yeah this is why i am so excited about the xperia play it will change mobile gaming forever.

 

[mixel]

yeah this is why i am so excited about the xperia play it will change mobile gaming forever.

Running emulated PS1 games.. Changing mobile gaming forever? I doubt the xperia will do all that well. It does look pretty cool though, its just such a niche market.

Who hasn't already played through those PS1 games? Does the modern market really care about that era of retro stuff? I don't think so in significant numbers unfortunately. Sony have a big tradition of niche, almost experimental devices - i don't think they're expecting to take the world by storm with the Xperia Play.

 

[*LTD*]

yeah this is why i am so excited about the xperia play it will change mobile gaming forever.

You might be disappointed. The part about "change mobile gaming forever" has already occurred. If there is to be another landmark change, it won't come from this device, which will likely end up being a dud.

 

[ciTiger]

This is normal I think...

 

[whooleytoo]

I don't get it.. they're hiring a guy with experience in hardware launches and giving him responsibility for apps. And hiring another with experience in a software company, and giving him responsibility for the iOS hardware?

 

[Lennholm]

Sadly this sort of argument is a product of political talk radio. It has "trickled down". Slapping a label on someone does not score a couple of points in the argument. I imagine you think I'm a "kool-aid" drinker because you disagree with me and do not like Apple so it all goes hand in hand. Right.

1. You are presupposing I'm an Apple kool-aid drinker
2. If I am, then that does not negate my opinion.
3. My opinion on Nintendo's status has nothing to do with the degree to which I enjoy Apple products or relate to Apple as a company. If I think Apple is a "godsend to humanity" how does that define my opinion of Nintendo?



A Nintendo executive stated Apple was the biggest threat to Nintendo. He said Apple. Nintendo thinks Apple is their competition now. That doesn't sound good. That sounds like a message to the share holders to me: sell!

No, I think you're an Apple kool-aid drinker because of your exlusively dismissive comments about other companies than Apple, either unfounded or based purely on personal preferences, and at the same time displaying a highly exaggerated confidence in Apple.

Someone at Nintendo acknowledging which company is most likely to be their biggest competitor in the future doesn't in any way signal "sell", how can you even draw that conclusion? You don't think every single corporation discusses this at their internal business strategy meetings?

Microsoft should hire a design team to come in and fix that. It is a really horrible user experience.

Seeing as you appear to be one of the few people who thinks this; no, they shouldn't.

 

[LagunaSol]

No, I think you're an Apple kool-aid drinker because of your exlusively dismissive comments about other companies than Apple, either unfounded or based purely on personal preferences, and at the same time displaying a highly exaggerated confidence in Apple.

You are on an Apple users forum, you know. Do you complain about "Microsoft kool-aid drinkers" on Microsoft user forums? Do you complain about "Google kool-aid drinkers" on Android user forums? My bet is no.

 

[Lennholm]

You are on an Apple users forum, you know. Do you complain about "Microsoft kool-aid drinkers" on Microsoft user forums? Do you complain about "Google kool-aid drinkers" on Android user forums? My bet is no.

This is a consumer forum discussing rumors about Apple products, it's not an outlet for Apple and anti-everything-else propaganda.
You're correct that I don't complain about Microsoft or Google "kool-aid drinkers" because I don't encounter them since I don't care enough about them or their products to hang out at forums related to them.
I'm at MacRumors because I'm interested in Apple products, but I find the attitude which is abundant here, that Apple is perfect, knows what's best and those criticizing must be wrong because Apple never does anything wrong and that every other company is incompetent and doomed, rediculous.

 

[LagunaSol]

I'm at MacRumors because I'm interested in Apple products, but I find the attitude which is abundant here, that Apple is perfect, knows what's best and those criticizing must be wrong because Apple never does anything wrong and that every other company is incompetent and doomed, rediculous.

Then maybe you ought to check out the Microsoft and Android forums, just so you'll recognize that it's pretty much how these places work.

Complaining about Apple "kool-aid drinkers" on an Apple rumors site is just silly.

 

[LightSpeed1]

Apple will buy Nintendo eventually.

It's over for Nintendo.

Get ready for the iwii

lol

 

[ten-oak-druid]

No, I think you're an Apple kool-aid drinker because of your exlusively dismissive comments about other companies than Apple, either unfounded or based purely on personal preferences, and at the same time displaying a highly exaggerated confidence in Apple.

And you labeling me a kool-aid drinker scores you a point? Nope. You lose.

Someone at Nintendo acknowledging which company is most likely to be their biggest competitor in the future doesn't in any way signal "sell", how can you even draw that conclusion? You don't think every single corporation discusses this at their internal business strategy meetings?

Sell!

Seeing as you appear to be one of the few people who thinks this; no, they shouldn't.

Not the only one. The user interface is horrendous. Microsoft needs to outsource the job i guess.