I agree. I hope Gartner doesn't count the iPad as a PC for next years PC Vendor Marketshare.
It would be unfair because HP, Dell, Acer, Lenovo, and Toshiba have not sold many Tablets and they're main focus is PC's.
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I agree. I hope Gartner doesn't count the iPad as a PC for next years PC Vendor Marketshare.
It would be unfair because HP, Dell, Acer, Lenovo, and Toshiba have not sold many Tablets and they're main focus is PC's.
This whole thread is discussing industry marketing terms. I'm sorry, are you for or against LTD deciding industry terminology for you?
Do you EVER know what you are saying?
No I want to LTD to prove he can think for himself. Something that he seemed to of given up. The lack of him supply some type of reason is helping prove my point that they are doing it for hits.
Go look threw LTD post and you will see all he ever does is spit out Apple worship.
I can think for myself and I have shown that and said many reason why the iPad does not belong in the PC category.
It seems the criteria for what belongs where are changing, and you can't (or don't want to) wrap your head around it. The change is being driven by consumer and industry opinion, sales, and the iPad's impact on the wider PC industry (which has already been documented.)
You screaming against it will at some point look a little weird and awkward. You do have the option to begin the process of acceptance now, though.
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Perhaps they will at some point produce tablets worth buying. As of now there is little to no demand for tablets other than the iPad.
I thought it was quite amusing, but then I do possess a sense of humour, some people are never bright enough to develop one.
We've all heard of them, but how many people do you know that actually own one?... (and aren't afraid of the ridicule to admit it...)
then again I do see the Kindle as being successful, but if you cannot lump the iPad in with PC's, are people now saying that you should lump the Fire in with the iPad?
If you read the reviews it is obvious that they are not the same.
I only saw one. Because you hate Apple. Or, is your premise that hating Apple and LTD are two reasons?
It really is comical reading all these posts from computer geeks arguing over marketing concepts.
I saw some side by side comparison videos of Fire and iPad and it almost made me through up. Who can put up with such performance ...
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I do agree that he sounds that way a lot, but he's also more often right than wrong.
You know what happened to the dinosaurs?
Kindle Fire is a tablet, if you look at the Tablet Section on Amazon, the Kindle will be there. So therefore the Kindle Fire is in the Tablet market like the iPad.
What's really interesting in my mind is how the definition of "computer" is getting so blurred. No, I don't mean "Well, it has a processor, so it's a computer".
The iPad is not a computer in the traditional sense of storage drive with files, physical keyboard, input devices, etc. Yet, for many people, it does many of the same tasks as a PC (email, web, games), adds magazines/books, and does it easier and in a smaller package! So who's to say that a computer must have features X, Y, and Z to be considered a computer? An iPad is not as good as a laptop in some areas (viewing multiple windows, typing, etc.), but it exceeds it in other areas!
The iPad is not a computer in the traditional sense of storage drive with files, physical keyboard, input devices, etc. Yet, for many people, it does many of the same tasks as a PC (email, web, games), adds magazines/books, and does it easier and in a smaller package! So who's to say that a computer must have features X, Y, and Z to be considered a computer? An iPad is not as good as a laptop in some areas (viewing multiple windows, typing, etc.), but it exceeds it in other areas!
Those frighten Apple, and the Apple fans.
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My coffee maker runs linux, and has a console serial port if I need to use it.
It's a kitchen appliance, not a PC.
My TiVo is a PowerPC running linux.
It's a DVR appliance, not a PC.
My home router/VPN gateway is an ARM-based linux system.
It's a network appliance, not a PC.
An Ipad an ARM-based IOS system.
It's a network appliance, not a PC.
Include the iPhone and iPod Touch too. They are computers toooooo.
Apple as a company is doing phenomenally well. Why do people write such ridiculous stories.
Apple as a company is doing phenomenally well. Why do people write such ridiculous stories.
You already said it's a computer and it's very much personal, so by definition it's a PERSONAL COMPUTER.
END OF STORY.
If you're gonna quote Ballmer on this, do so properly. The debate, if i know that Jobs reference right, is not so much on whether or not a tablet is/can be a PC - to Ballmer the tablet is a form factor, more than anything else - it is more so on so called post-pc devices v. general purpose devices*. (Watch all of it, or at least the end of it, and you will see).
Here, Ballmer seem to take Gates position in the ATD Jobs v. Gates talk, in that he sees the PC as taking on new roles, and new shapes, but remaining a PC, in contrast with Jobs, who in a sense thinks that less sometimes is more.
Are they talking about the same thing? I dont think so. And i think Jobs would agree with this reading too.
* im aware that the ipad is quite general in its purpose. still, this is Jobs description of these things, not mine. And this is the context of the discussion.
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But a personal computer is not necessarily a PC. My somewhat-dumbphone is a) personal b) a computer.
Is my dumbphone a PC? An ipad even?
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Appliance. No wonder Jobs ditched that word and tried to come up with something sexier ;- )
Markets aren't supposed to be fair. They are supposed to reward companies who succeed at providing the more desirable product and/or the better price.
Bill Gates said pretty much the same back in 2007 (speaking of how tablets would be ripe to market 2012, looks like he will be right). Silly point, really.
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Here is where your logic fails. If tablets are all PCs, then it began with Gates, back in what, 2002? If not, and the ipad is a clean break to that, the ipad is obviously not a PC. Pick a side. Stick with it.
Further, Microsoft is still not betting on the Post-PC horse. From the sound of it (them), we're getting more PC, not less. Their tablet will be a PC - not a post-PC device*.
* depending on how they end up implementing the ARM version, we might see them betting on both though. time will tell.
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Correlation does not imply causation!
The human brain is a computer and I have one and it's very much personal, so by definition it's a personal computer?.....
Perhaps your TV is a PC too?
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I have my money on a tumour, rather than humour, really.
(And yes, your first post had fun-potential. To bad you blew it by completely missing the point.)
I agree, but I'm saying it's not fair to add the iPad in the PC market just to get Apple to be the #1 PC Vendor when the iPad is not a PC.
a 200 dollar PC isnt the same as a 2000 dollar PC either. your point being?
Actually, starting back in 1996 with the PalmPilot. The first really successful tablet format personal computer (sold as well as iPads are selling now). Reportedly Jobs wanted to buy Palm or Handspring. Then, as Palm imploded, he decided Apple could do a much better job themselves.