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This is a clear example that you just can´t make everybody happy...

Either they release it now with the idea of adding features in the upcoming updates (kind of like in iOS where there was no copy/paste, multitasking, etc.) and people say Apple doesn't care about the PRO market because of all the missing features,

OR

They release it one year or two later and the same people say, WTF Apple hasn't updated FCP in years!! they just don´t care about the PRO market anymore.

So they decided to release it now and work on it.
 
This FAQ is an insult

To say the least. I completly lost trust in Apple. I mean, they can come up with what ever they want without telling you in advance.

Who says FCP 7 will run under the Tiger? What am I going to do with all my projects? I work at a TV station and we have to go and check files made 3 years ago.

As we speak, one of the TV channels I mange just changed their logo, So I spent 4 month going back to every single promo to replace the logo as well the voice over, for that I need to open the original FCP document where the music, voice over and effects are in different tracks.

If I had FCP X I would have to import the final promo and RE CREATE the entire soundtrack. Having the original FCP file take me an hour to do so, replacing in FCP X can take days, imagine... I would have to find the original tapes.

And that is just one silly scenario.

But is Apple arrogance the actual problem. They got FCP to capture a market, then they stopped the development because "it was too buggy".

Now they want to re invent the wheel with FCP X, what they want is to sell the "modules", literally wash their hands of the development, they want to offer the core.

But the big issue is... we are falling into a marketing experiment! EXPERIEMENT that, as you can see, started with the wrong foot already.

Apple will have to start negotiations and licenses, that may take ages or many no even happen for most of the developers. Probably FCP X will die or people will end up asking for features that where present in FCP 7 that no other developers are willing to create for a low margin.

I mean... you want to do "business" with someone who is not reliable who already framed you and has a reputation of being arrogant and "emotional epileptic" (they can come up with any idea at any time without consulting you).

Would you hired that person even is a great graphic designer? Or would you go for someone more dedicated, focused, reliable that can do the job just fine?

I am going for Adobe Premiere or Avid by the end of the year. If Final Cut X works I may get it BY THE END OF 2012.

I will get a copy for me LATER ON, probably early 2012, but I will never change all the post production suites I have, not for crazy unreliable developers.

As an editor we are more humble than people believe, we just wanted FCP 7 to use all cores and communicate with Compressor just fine because when Compressor uses QMaster FCP 7 can not communicate. We just wanted those twicks, better audio tools (NO HAVING A PINK HANDLE OVER A GRAY WAVEFORM, IS A NIGHTMARE TO READ IT). And probably real tome communication with Soundtrack or at least incorporate Soundtrack tools into FCP 7.

That is it, we never asked for "electromagnetic timelines" for "interstellar productions".

Sorry Apple, no excuses, you are an ground up with resources and you just showed a bad legitimated face. Is like dating a pretty girl who is just that A PRETTY GIRL to show of, but not for marriage, she is lazy and still bad in bed.

There are issues of form and bottom , Apple can argue the form, but the bottom line is clear: you are risking your assets into an unreliable video post production software developer.

Today is us, in 3 to 5 years will be the kids who are entering into video post production today. I have been in this media for 22 years now, since the Video Toaster and Atari ST. I have seen systems rise and fell and here I see that pattern. When Apple realized how complex the EXPERIMENT is, they will drop it and start something new with "quantum mechanical timelines".

That is all I have to say.
 
This is a clear example that you just can´t make everybody happy...

Either they release it now with the idea of adding features in the upcoming updates (kind of like in iOS where there was no copy/paste, multitasking, etc.) and people say Apple doesn't care about the PRO market because of all the missing features,

OR

They release it one year or two later and the same people say, WTF Apple hasn't updated FCP in years!! they just don´t care about the PRO market anymore.

So they decided to release it now and work on it.

OR

Apple could have managed the release a little better. Apple gave the impression it was ready for "Pro" use. Apple didn't reveal what features were missing and the fact you couldn't import FCP7 projects into FCPX ; this was only found out upon FCPX release.

Had Apple been more upfront with the feature set, all this uproar would probably not have occured.

Apple should take a lesson in Communications. Apple may make great products, most of the time, but its communications always falls way short.
 
This is a clear example that you just can´t make everybody happy...

Either they release it now with the idea of adding features in the upcoming updates (kind of like in iOS where there was no copy/paste, multitasking, etc.) and people say Apple doesn't care about the PRO market because of all the missing features,

OR

They release it one year or two later and the same people say, WTF Apple hasn't updated FCP in years!! they just don´t care about the PRO market anymore.

So they decided to release it now and work on it.

omg best comment ever.
 
People seriously have to chill the eff out. The features are coming. Yes, at some point Apple has to release the software into the wild so they can make the product better. All 1.0 software is beta software. All 1.0 hardware is beta hardware. If you're a person who is an early adopter, then you should KNOW THIS ALREADY!!! Holy balls.

Also, if there are features missing, the best thing to do is learn the software while still using Final Cut Pro 7. Your software didn't deactivate once FCP X came out, so seriously, grow up.

FCP X will get feature parity or close to FCP 7 very soon. I've been using FCP X casually beside FCP 7, and I gotta say the software is absolutely mind blowing. I'm very impressed, and it's blazingly fast. Once those features come in, and they will come, then you guys can wipe the tears from your face and start learning it. But apparently paying the $300 now to learn it is different than paying the $300 in 4-6 months to learn it because it added a handful of features.

Just pull the heads from your asses and seriously stop bitching. Apple is getting the features in there, and it'll be fairly soon. In the meantime, use FCP 7 for your professional life and learn FCP X on the side so once it has all the features you need, you can make the switch. Otherwise, you're not really a professional if you expected to switch your whole professional life around FCP X on the first day if it did have feature parity. Or, if you are a professional who does that, you're not very bright.

There is so much wrong about your post it's not worthy of a lengthy post pointing them all out. Why don't you "chill out."

"Fairly Soon?" Please define that for us. When is soon? Do you have access to Apple's timeline?

And again - I'll reiterate - no professional would make the switch mid project or just switch on day one. If that's your argument against why people are complaining - find a different one. Because that's not the argument at all.
 
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Apple could have managed the release a little better. Apple gave the impression it was ready for "Pro" use. Apple didn't reveal what features were missing and the fact you couldn't import FCP7 projects into FCPX ; this was only found out upon FCPX release.

Had Apple been more upfront with the feature set, all this uproar would probably not have occured.

Apples Front Page:

The all new Final Cut Pro X! Click here to see what features are missing!

.......
 
^^ ^These two post say it all IMO.

This is a prosumer app at a prosumer price. Pro coming in next release, hopefully.

While it's missing features, it's still a pro app. It's just not for all pros. Price is irrelevant. Anyone using the price to criticize the software (not necessarily you, but anyone) or labelling it as "iMovie Pro, not for real pros" just tells us that they are just a snobby elitist who feels threatened that more people can access pro-level tools.

The term "pro" is a funny one too. Anyone who uses the tool to make a living is a pro. Some seem to think that pro is only those who make TV commercials, shows, or feature movies.

This happened with GarageBand, PageMaker, digital SLR cameras, and even the GUI over a command line. A handful of pros criticized the bejeezus out of the tools saying they can't match whatever workflow they've been using for decades, and tried to say anyone using the new thing surely isn't a real "pro."
 
If there is any doubt to whom Apple is most excited about marketing the software to - you need only go past the splash screen on the program where it asks if you want to import your iMovies.

Nuff said.
 
This new Final Cut is Apple's "Vista." Of course it will be updated with the next version. But until then, Avid and Adobe will benefit greatly.

Apple should sell off the pro app division. It would do better in the hands of a group of developers who have something to gain from it.
 
To say the least. I completly lost trust in Apple. I mean, they can come up with what ever they want without telling you in advance.

Who says FCP 7 will run under the Tiger?

I presume you meant Lion. And if you had swallowed your pride and had actually read the FAQ instead of just being sulky, you could have read in it that FCP 7 does run under Lion.
 
Sucks that apple did that. But why would you buy a product without knowing what features were in it or a review of it. Seems like a 2 way failure to me. Its sucks that apple change the product so much but you should read the features before you buy something and not make assumptions. Apple giving refunds so thats good for people that purchased without knowing the changes.

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Apple has quietly posted a FAQ for Final Cut Pro X in response to the many questions and criticisms. (via 9to5Mac). The FAQ appears not to be linked from Apple's main site, and has not yet been publicized.The FAQ mirrors some of the same issues addressed in David Pogue's article with responses from Apple product managers, but also gives a few more specifics.

Regarding importing from Final Cut Pro 7, Apple says that due to the many changes there was no way to "translate" old projects without losing or changing data. So, Apple suggests that users continue to use Final Cut Pro 7 for existing projects.

As for Multicam editing, Apple again promises that "it will" support it. The "next major release" will provide "great multicam support".

Another feature they promise will be coming is export of XML. They say they "know how important XML export" is to their users and expect to add it to Final Cut Pro X. A set of APIs will be released in the next few weeks so that 3rd party developers can access the "next-generation XML in Final Cut Pro X". Similiarly, OMF, AAF and EDL support should become available through 3rd parties once the API is available. One third party solution is already available for OMF and AMF export.

Finally, assigning audio tracks for export is promised for a "summer" update which will "allow you to use metadata tags to categorize your audio clips by type and export them directly from Final Cut Pro X."

Final Cut Pro X was released just last week, but was met with significant complaints due to missing features. The rest of the FAQ provides some more details that may be of interest to professional video editors.

Article Link: Apple Posts Final Cut Pro X FAQ, Promises Updates
 
Apple gave the impression it was ready for "Pro" use.
And just because it is not ready for all pros yet, does not mean it is not ready any pros at all. Or are you not a real pro if you don't need any of the missing features?
 
While it's missing features, it's still a pro app. It's just not for all pros. Price is irrelevant. Anyone using the price to criticize the software (not necessarily you, but anyone) or labelling it as "iMovie Pro, not for real pros" just tells us that they are just a snobby elitist who feels threatened that more people can access pro-level tools.

The term "pro" is a funny one too. Anyone who uses the tool to make a living is a pro. Some seem to think that pro is only those who make TV commercials, shows, or feature movies.

This happened with GarageBand, PageMaker, digital SLR cameras, and even the GUI over a command line. A handful of pros criticized the bejeezus out of the tools saying they can't match whatever workflow they've been using for decades, and tried to say anyone using the new thing surely isn't a real "pro."
You actually made my point in your post. It clearly misses the mark for Professionals in high end video editing.

Thanks! :D
 
And just because it is not ready for all pros yet, does not mean it is not ready any pros at all. Or are you not a real pro if you don't need any of the missing features?

And just because it's ready for some pros does not mean that those pros who have concerns aren't entitled to voice them.

It seems like 1/2 (or maybe more) of the posts on these threads are people complaining about people complaining. And it's hypocritical (not directed to you) to suggest those Pros "get over it" - since the people posting can't get over people wanting to voice their concerns.
 
There is so much wrong about your post it's not worthy of a lengthy post pointing them all out. Why don't you "chill out."

"Fairly Soon?" Please define that for us. When is soon? Do you have access to Apple's timeline?

And again - I'll reiterate - no professional would make the switch mid project or just switch on day one. If that's your argument against why people are complaining - find a different one. Because that's not the argument at all.

It is the argument. You just dont want it to be
 
Great article about the situation.

http://www.onerivermedia.com/blog/?p=322

Basically it boils down to if Apple kills Shake, Color, DVD studio pro etc, and does this to FCP does it really make sense for any professional who depends on software to go the apple route and trust that the app they invest time and money in will even exist in the future, much less get updated as opposed to losing functionality?
 
And just because it's ready for some pros does not mean that those pros who have concerns aren't entitled to voice them.

It seems like 1/2 (or maybe more) of the posts on these threads are people complaining about people complaining. And it's hypocritical (not directed to you) to suggest those Pros "get over it" - since the people posting can't get over people wanting to voice their concerns.

Are you complaining about people complaining about complaining? Seems we could go on forever......
 
Next pro app due for an update is Logic.
We'll call it GarageBand Pro...err...Logic Pro X
We'll "borrow" the UI simplicity from GarageBand and implement that into logic.
We'll dump the environment (it's just too complicated for average user), bus routing (but this will come in the next major patch) and multiple midi controller support (but that will come in the next major release).
We'll introduce brand new AU-X plug-ins (sadly all your AU plugins will not work with this new complete re-write of the program), implement new magnetic midi note snapping with auto midi note fill so that the user can write music with just a tap, and simplify flex time tool to just two buttons (it will do 90% of what previous logic release could do - Logic Pro X is so advanced that it will figure out what you want to do with your flex audio and apply the processing in the background without user intervention).
Oh, and the new mixer...wait till you see it...it will be amazing!

Note: since Logic Pro X is a complete rewrite, you will not be able to open any previous Logic projects.

Pros rejoice - Everything just changed in studio. Only $199 on Mac app store.

In other news we've decided to end Mac Pro line of computers. We found that user upgradable/exchangeable times such as Hard Disks and Video Cards and too many I/O ports confuse the average customer. Also, the ability to use non-apple matte monitors puts current mac pro users at a disadvantage - OS X Lion was intended to be displayed on a glossy Apple displays. We also found that Mac pro weight is an issue to an average user - you just can't take it anywhere you want.

Future looks promising:)
adrian
 
If there is any doubt to whom Apple is most excited about marketing the software to - you need only go past the splash screen on the program where it asks if you want to import your iMovies.

Nuff said.

..this is such a dumb argument. seriously. I understand almost every argument except this one. I think it is nice that they give that option for consumers. Ill never use it, but hey.. who cares if they add a feature like that.. it was probably easy to add so they threw it in. Multicam on the other had, will take time to develop.
 
..this is such a dumb argument. seriously. I understand almost every argument except this one. I think it is nice that they give that option for consumers. Ill never use it, but hey.. who cares if they add a feature like that.. it was probably easy to add so they threw it in. Multicam on the other had, will take time to develop.

Perhaps you aren't as well versed as I am in marketing and product development (I have over 20 years of experience). I'm not saying the option isn't good to have. I'm saying the "in your face" prompting right after the splash screen is very telling. It wasn't just a menu option under "file" or what have you.

Again - very telling as to who the (at least initial) marketplace for FCPX was geared towards.

By the way - up until the FAQ was posted (which - by the way - still isn't "advertised" on their site) - can you show me anywhere where it says that FCP 7 documents won't import? Right. I thought not. Yet they make a "splash" offering iMovie imports.

Do the math.
 
Great article about the situation.

http://www.onerivermedia.com/blog/?p=322

Basically it boils down to if Apple kills Shake, Color, DVD studio pro etc, and does this to FCP does it really make sense for any professional who depends on software to go the apple route and trust that the app they invest time and money in will even exist in the future, much less get updated as opposed to losing functionality?

Wow.. informative and it gives a very good insight from a professional.
 
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