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Lol! My dad was a measuring technician and worked in microns as well. I have just asked him his thoughts :p

Indeed, when I am working to 1 micron you don't want to hold what you are measuring too much as it will grow a bit in size ;)
 
Actually yes I do.

One part of my job actually involves making VERY high tolerance gauges, one at a time, and I have to work to ONE MICRON sometimes, and no computerised machine for me to use. All good of fashioned skill.

7 Microns would be luxury for me on the gauges I make.

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Yes I do and I work with people who do.

And we can repeat make items to closer than 7 microns thank you very much.

Out of Medical grade Titanium, Stainless Steel and Cobalt Chrome.

But did you make them in the tens of millions? Thought not. ;)
 
They said the iPhone 5 are identical to a few microns because of this process. Do you know how accurate a micron is? This measurement is often used on scientific or medical instruments. I am sure there are other smartphones out there that are identical to a few MILLIMETRES (1000 microns). The iPhone 5 has a tolerance of just 7 microns.

This is by far the most precise piece of electronics Apple has ever built.

hell, temperature difference of a few degrees can change the metal a micron or two
 
Actually yes I do.

One part of my job actually involves making VERY high tolerance gauges, one at a time, and I have to work to ONE MICRON sometimes, and no computerised machine for me to use. All good of fashioned skill.

7 Microns would be luxury for me on the gauges I make.
I respect that, but wouldn't you agree that this tolerance for the iPhone 5 is like none other in the current smartphone market?
 
But did you make them in the tens of millions? Thought not. ;)

Well, no, but then my company has invested not a penny in new equipment for the past 40 ish years on the stuff I use.

So it's all, old fashioned skill and care to do what I do.

There is always a trade of between speed and quality.

I've no doubt by running machine slower and looking after tooling wear more closely Apple could work to higher tolerances, but there is a balance to achieve and sometimes it's just easier to make a load of parts and mix/match the ones that fit best.

Apple fans should not see this as an insult, it's just the realism of making things fast.

There is a difference between a production item and a high precision prototype you could spend hours making and throwing away bad ones.

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I respect that, but wouldn't you agree that this tolerance for the iPhone 5 is like none other in the current smartphone market?

To be honest, the tolerance of a product it not something I ever think about. If it looks good/perfect, I don't question how it got there.
 
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This guy is so great. :)
 
Thinner and lighter.

Thinner and lighter... and less battery. Guess it's time to purchase a battery case for those of us that need more juice, not thinner and lighter. Hope they come out with them soon.
 
Somebody better introduce Mr Ive to someone with a bigger dick than his own, or we'll never get an iPhone with a wider screen.

Nobody complained they couldn't reach their pinky across the Original, 3G or 3GS, so methinks the 'reason' for the skinny iPhone is more Freudian.

Which is least painful to own, HTC or Samsung? Apple's lost the plot.
 
iPod video??

On a similar topic, has anyone found the iPod trailer that was shown during the show? I couldn't find it anywhere on the apple.com site.

Really looking forward to checking out these mini-iPhones!
 
Indeed, when I am working to 1 micron you don't want to hold what you are measuring too much as it will grow a bit in size ;)

Haha! Well just been off the phone to my Dad. Anyway, he worked for a company called Delphi. In his opinion he said it was a reasonable enough tolerance for something like a phone. However in his job that would not have been acceptable. He was saying in engineering usually 1-4 microns is the maximum tolerance level. He did totally understand your point of view of course!
 
I'm curious as to what the symbol will be for the new "Lightning​" connector, considerin​g the Thunderbol​t symbol is a lightning bolt? It can't be a cloud, as that's the symbol for iCloud. The hysteria..​.
 
Well, no, but then my company has invested not a penny in new equipment for the past 40 ish years on the stuff I use.

So it's all, old fashioned skill and care to do what I do.

There is always a trade of between speed and quality.

I've no doubt by running machine slower and looking after tooling wear more closely Apple could work to higher tolerances, but there is a balance to achieve and sometimes it's just easier to make a load of parts and mix/match the ones that fit best.

Apple fans should not see this as an insult, it's just the realism of making things fast.

There is a difference between a production item and a high precision prototype you could spend hours making and throwing away bad ones.

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To be honest, the tolerance of a product it not something I ever think about. If it looks good/perfect, I don't question how it got there.

I agree entirely. I suspect this new iPhone will, like the last one, feel better than anything else on the market.

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Thinner and lighter... and less battery. Guess it's time to purchase a battery case for those of us that need more juice, not thinner and lighter. Hope they come out with them soon.

Nope - more battery. Significantly more battery life if the official figures are anything to go by.
 
Anyone else think this may be the start of a long downhill slope for Apple?

Going to have to see this thing in the flesh, but my feeling is they are slipping behind the game.
What I don't understand is people who are so happy they didn't make it wider.
If that's the case, they could stayed with, or bought the 4S.

I was hoping for a miracle, but I knew that wasn't going to happen.

Anyone in AU with a 4S for sale?
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Meh, these videos of the same guys on a white background are getting boring, old and add ego where it isnt needed. iPhone 5? A big meh.
 
Somebody better introduce Mr Ive to someone with a bigger dick than his own, or we'll never get an iPhone with a wider screen.

Nobody complained they couldn't reach their pinky across the Original, 3G or 3GS, so methinks the 'reason' for the skinny iPhone is more Freudian.

Which is least painful to own, HTC or Samsung? Apple's lost the plot.

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Totally agree.
You see a lot of small handed girls working the larger displays without any problem. I think that's just an excuse. My daughter jumped ship to an S3, she's loving it. No problem with operability.

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A few thoughts I had watching the video.

1. The whole thing seems like a big justification for what is on the surface a fairly minimal redesign. It's very clear they didn't want to change the iPhone 4 design too much (rightfully so), but the video indicates they are a bit sensitive about the other phones on the market now. In my opinion much of the video is unnecessary.

2. As a mechanical engineer, the manufacturing processes used in making this phone are fascinating to me. People think this level of precision just magically happens, but the engineering behind it really is impressive. I would love to see more tidbits about how they manufacture the components. I think Jony implied it but didn't outright state it, but the precision of the phone and quality it oozes is one of the subtle things that people take for granted that make the user experience of using an iPhone better than the rest.

Overall I can't wait to get my hands on mine!
 
Seems clear to me when Ive & team find a design they like they don't change it just for the sake of change. They keep refining it. To an end user it might be 'meh' but I'm sure it's not to the designers and engineers that worked on it.
 
I want the KEYNOTE!

Does anyone know how the trend is regarding time between the keynote taking place and it being put up on Apple.com? :confused:
It's definately taking longer than last time, it's getting late here in the North Atlantic - but sleep is not an option till I see the keynote

Just give us the keynote mr. Apple !!
 
Mansfield lives!

The best part of the whole livefeed I was reading on Ars was when they said Bob Mansfield was in the video. Without him, it just wouldn't be the same.

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Wow Jony really looks tanned. Probably just came from a vacation this morning. It shows how much work actually went in designing the iPhone 5. :D

Most of his work was done on this product a year ago or more. If he's been on vacation, it was a well-deserved vacation after finalizing a few little things before this product design went off to the factories a few months ago.

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I'm curious as to what the symbol will be for the new "Lightning​" connector, considerin​g the Thunderbol​t symbol is a lightning bolt? It can't be a cloud, as that's the symbol for iCloud. The hysteria..​.

There's no symbol on the Lightning cables. I guess Apple didn't care to invent one. Oftentimes those symbols are used to show "this side up" but that's not a concern with the new connector. Perhaps printing a symbol on both sides offended Apple's aesthetic sense.
 
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