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Record-breaking sales of people upgrading from Iphone 1G/2G/3G/4G while continuing to hemorrhage sales of new customers to Android is the mark of a death spiral.

The people happiest with this Iphone 4GS announcement are at Samsung, LG, HTC, Nokia and Motorola.
If I'm not mistaken, Apple's share of monthly sales has held fairly stable, even as the iPhone 4 was getting long in the tooth, while the total market was growing. They may not be able to grow in leaps and bounds anymore, but they'll continue to gain new customers as the market grows, which is not hemorrhaging. Apple does still have some room to grow by adopting more carriers and countries, Sprint and additional Chinese carriers come to mind.

Personally, I think expectations were set unrealistically high based on some supposed case design document. Anand has already reported that integrated LTE chips on the 28nm process won't be ready until Q2 2012. Without integrated LTE chips, Apple would have to include a separate chip for LTE, which they don't have enough PCB room for. Plus there are battery life concerns until 28nm basebands are ready. LTE is basically impossible with the current iPhone 4 chassis. So then design a new case. But there is an entire accessories ecosystem to worry about which is why Apple tends not to change case designs every year. With all the fuss over the iPhone 4 antennae, it's surprising everyone was clammering for the rumoured case design with it's aluminum back, which isn't the easiest thing to design a good antennae for. At least with the iPhone 4S, Apple has finally been able to optimize the antennae. Hopefully.

As it stands, Apple looks to have crammed as much new tech in the iPhone 4 as possible, notably a much more powerful SoC, while maintaining battery life. That's not world changing, but not easily dismissed either.
 
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Worst Apple Event EVER!!!!

No new iPhone (just a tweak and a speech App included)
No new iPod Touch (and no capacity increase for 4 years)
No new iPod Nano (and no capacity increase either)

So Apple is building new office buildings to house hordes of new workers that just tweak existing products......Geez, no wonder the stock is tanking.
 
Tim Gook Is Boring :rolleyes:

Is that a typo, or a horribly inept and inappropriate racial slur?



Steve Jobs and iPhone 5 is missing :(

But someday there will be an Iphone 5 - however, Jobs is gone.

However, the Iphone 4GS is a turkey that not even the turtlenecked overlord could have gilded. Remember the Ipod HiFi and the Ipod Socks - same league.
 
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No new iPhone (just a tweak and a speech App included)
No new iPod Touch (and no capacity increase for 4 years)
No new iPod Nano (and no capacity increase either)

So Apple is building new office buildings to house hordes of new workers that just tweak existing products......Geez, no wonder the stock is tanking.

I agree. This event was a non-event. "Here's some old stuff, with new names!"
 
I agree. This event was a non-event. "Here's some old stuff, with new names!"

Agreed, if they did this update on June 2011 aka iPhone 4S do not think there will be this reaction ...

Let me check
A5 was available when iPad 2 announced
8MP sensor available that time too
iOS 5 and iCloud is a software update.
64GB - may be not.


Kinda of looks like iPhone 5 was pulled at the last moment and iPhone 4s introduced and I do not see what it took so long.

Do not even start with iPod touch staying at A4.
 
Agreed, if they did this update on June 2011 aka iPhone 4S do not think there will be this reaction ...

Let me check
A5 was available when iPad 2 announced
8MP sensor available that time too
iOS 5 and iCloud is a software update.
64GB - may be not.


Kinda of looks like iPhone 5 was pulled at the last moment and iPhone 4s introduced and I do not see what it took so long.

Do not even start with iPod touch staying at A4.

No, it does not "kinda look" like the iphone 5 was pulled at the last moment. This had been in the pipeline for a whole and the only reason people believed the i5 rumors was beacause people wee hoping for it.

iOS5 and iCloud are software... So??
That means they don't take an enormous amount of timr to complete? You obviously have never written a line in your life.

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No new iPhone (just a tweak and a speech App included)
No new iPod Touch (and no capacity increase for 4 years)
No new iPod Nano (and no capacity increase either)

So Apple is building new office buildings to house hordes of new workers that just tweak existing products......Geez, no wonder the stock is tanking.

incredibly disappointing, everyone i talked to today about it is either staying with the 4 or going with an android. apple really fell behind with releasing a phone with 6 month old specs
 
Tim Cook. Which accent is he talking? Where is he from?

Sounds kind of southern-ish.


Alabama. Graduated from Auburn and Duke.

Awesome seeing someone from the South heading up such a prestigious company. I'm from South Carolina, so I can be proud. :D
 
Wow tim Cook sounded like Ben Stein. I thought this was a Clear eyes commercial. I was glad when Scott was talking.
 
Get Tim Cook high next time!

Tim Cook seriously needs to get high next time he presents! He's probably a nice person but he has to stop speaking in his monotone voice of his. 1 minute into the presentation and I wanted to take a nap.
 
Apple needs to grow up

Tim Cook seriously needs to get high next time he presents! He's probably a nice person but he has to stop speaking in his monotone voice of his. 1 minute into the presentation and I wanted to take a nap.

Apple just needs to grow up and drop the idea that the CEO has to be the lead presenter.

Let the CEO run the company. Let the engineers engineer, and the designers design.

Let marketing find the best people to announce new products (although the Iphone 4GS is a pretty weak upgrade - not even Moses coming off the mountain could have made it sound good).
 
I have to admit it sure didn't take long for Apple to post this streaming video on their site. Was odd not seeing Steve Jobs take center stage for the first time in quite a while, but I believe Tim Cook did a really good job overall.
 
Tim Cook was a pretty boring presenter (and the pace felt a little off), but hopefully he'll improve with time, and he must be glad that he made it through the critical first keynote without really screwing up, maybe he'll be a little more relaxed in the future. It also highlighted for me how much better the other guys have gotten since they first started presenting. Unless his role radically changes, Tim Cook isn't the idea/product guy, he's the guy that makes sure everything works on time and on budget and handles the business stuff.

What I worry most about is if Apple still has someone who's willing to kill projects that aren't working, or ask for radical and unpopular changes at the last minute even at the expense of delaying the schedule. That's the type of thing that makes companies like Apple able to set a really high quality bar for their products, and making those risky calls and sticking to your guns is something few people can really pull off (and even some ballsy bets like the radical Final Cut Pro redesign are still yet to pay off). They're pretty well set up for a while with the iPhone, iPad, and Mac lineup, and they can just do incremental improvements for a while and whittle away at the global phone market, but I don't expect to see them pull another rabbit from their hat like the iPad. Hopefully Jobs will hang in there for a while as someone who can keep the long view, and give a few nudges here and there.

Compare the famous Bill Gates rant from 2003 (http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/06/25/bill-gates-rant-from.html). Here we have the CEO complaining about all the typical Microsoft problems we love to hate, and that usability was going backwards. So he clearly saw the problems, but he just didn't seem to have the power or will or ability to fix them.

The iPhone 4S isn't "exciting", but it sounds like it will improve on the iPhone 4 in every way that I care about: more responsive, better camera, better battery life, faster downloads, and better antenna. I'm not really sure what else one could reasonably ask for in a phone with today's technology and networks. A bigger screen sounds like a tradeoff if it results in a larger phone. Since iPhone's hold their value so well, i can probably sell my old phone for about what it costs for the new phone.
 
No new iPhone (just a tweak and a speech App included)
No new iPod Touch (and no capacity increase for 4 years)
No new iPod Nano (and no capacity increase either)

So Apple is building new office buildings to house hordes of new workers that just tweak existing products......Geez, no wonder the stock is tanking.

A "minor tweak" that adds a second core to the CPU and to the GPU? Nice "tweak." I wonder what an extra 2-cores to my i7 would be...a VERY minor tweak?
 
This is the end of apple's era.

This is ridiculous! If Apple doesn't include one of the features off your wish list you say its the end of Apple. And many people even go to say they'll switch to Android only for that...:rolleyes:
 
To start with my conclusion: After watching the presentation I was left happy as a customer and bored as a fan.

Siri was definitely a small oasis in a boring presentation. However, if you look at the presentation, it was a typical mid-upgrade season for Apple. Drastically redesigned devices will come next year.

I for one was happy to not see my iphone 4 become obsolete as design in just a few months. I am happy with Apple's 2 year cycle of design. Let's not forget all the cool (and free) software updates.

And yes, Tim Cook's strong feature is not presenting. But he was there only to make the introduction and updates and left the stage to Forstall, Cue and the others who did a decent job.

Let's accept that from now on, all major Apple presentations will be a team work. It's not a small company or a 1-man show anymore...
 
Tim Cook did a great presentation, considerably better than others in the industry. He's not Steve Jobs and I'm glad he doesn't try to be. Like Zuckerberg did at f8, that's just pathetic.
 
Phil was the right man in the absence of Steve to do the iPhone 4S keynote but even he looked quite bored and disinterested up on stage and god did the whole thing drag, it was meant to be "lets talk iPhone" but instead Apple seemed to spend as much time telling us how the store in Shanghai is doing as telling us about the 4S, it was nearly an hour into the keynote than the 4S was unveiled.

Maybe it is just post Steve blues, no one lit up a stage like he did but last night was boring and dragged, just hope Steve can regain his strength and do the iPad 3
 
Apple just needs to grow up and drop the idea that the CEO has to be the lead presenter.

Let the CEO run the company. Let the engineers engineer, and the designers design.

Let marketing find the best people to announce new products (although the Iphone 4GS is a pretty weak upgrade - not even Moses coming off the mountain could have made it sound good).

They should hire Joan Rivers to do events.
Her face may be as frozen as Tim's delivery,
but she can really move junk on the shopping networks.
Hopefully attendees won't start commiting suicide at the sound of her voice.

"What an incredibly cool product. You can't be with out this, sweatheart."

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