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Apple Predicted to Launch Optional Stylus Accessory Alongside 12.9-Inch 'iPad Pro'

thekeyring said:
While sales for the iPhone 5S were incredibly strong, most would agree this was despite the phone's screen size, not because of it. Now the phone is bigger, there's been an explosion of upgrades. Even if Apple do return to the one-handed-use phone market this year or next, plenty of people prefer more space for content over reachability.

The Verge's report: Apple knows customers are used to phones with screens larger than 4 inches:
http://www.theverge.com/2014/4/4/5571926/apple-document-shows-concern-for-iphone-sales-decline-need-for-bigger-iPhone

"Our data clearly shows that bigger is better for most consumers," the report reads.
http://www.cnet.com/news/the-world-wants-a-bigger-iphone-and-big-smartphones-in-general-surveys-say/

Even in the US - where interest in 'phablets' was relatively low, 40% of people wanted a bigger phone:
http://www.informationweek.com/mobile/mobile-devices/smartphone-buyers-want-larger-screens/d/d-id/1278766

Yahoo! Report:
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/survey-says-people-want-bigger-phones-89679157394.html

T-Mobile says 77% of its customers want a large screened phone:
http://www.slashgear.com/t-mobile-says-77-of-consumers-want-a-large-screen-phone-17238969/

'Go big or go home': http://www.technewsworld.com/story/75671.html

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I could list a bunch of articles in which the author was wrong. That's not proof of anything. Sales can't be argued with, and people were buying smaller devices in droves.
 
Dasanman69 said:
About the iPad he said "if you see a stylus, they blew it". That doesn't sound like he was down for a stylus for a modern tablet.
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you completely ignored the content of my comment.

me: "jobs was a salesman and a hustler, his word didn't mean jack squat"

you "but he said [x] like 7 years ago, he must have meant it forever because - well, i dunno"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_distortion_field
 
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teslo said:
you completely ignored the content of my comment.

me: "jobs was a salesman and a hustler, his word didn't mean jack squat"

you "but he said [x] like 7 years ago, he must have meant it forever because - well, i dunno"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_distortion_field
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Yet how many used that very same quote to ridicule a competitor's device? If a stick is used to measure others then one should measure themselves with the very same stick.
 
Dasanman69 said:
About the iPad he said "if you see a stylus, they blew it". That doesn't sound like he was down for a stylus for a modern tablet.
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You are being purposely obtuse if you can't see that in the context of that quote he clearly meant that if you need a stylus to interact with the device, they blew it. Offering a stylus as a tool to artists and writers is entirely a different thing, and Jobs, who was grounded in the arts, would have understood this implicitly.
 
zhenya said:
You are being purposely obtuse if you can't see that in the context of that quote he clearly meant that if you need a stylus to interact with the device, they blew it. Offering a stylus as a tool to artists and writers is entirely a different thing, and Jobs, who was grounded in the arts, would have understood this implicitly.
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And again - he said that as a positioning statement. To differentiate his product from the others. It's why they talk about retina. Or sapphire. Or that the iPhone is the thinnest in the world (ooops - they had to go back and correct that one to the thinnest iPhone yet), and so on

It's marketing. Those who think Steve meant that stylus had no place or would never be a better input device weren't paying attention.
 
I bought the 1st gen iPad with the intention to draw on it with a 3rd party Stylus... but there where no preasure sensitivity on it, so skiped the Stylus... and the drawing.

I really hope the iPad Pro will be like a Cintiq 13HD made by Apple (Quality materials etc. ) although there may be no hardkeys :-/

If the Pro doesn't have preassure sensitivity, I really don't see the point of a "Pro" version of the iPad, and for those that don't understand what a massively big deal a Wacom-like Stylus experience is... well, they may buy the traditional (non Pro) iPad and keep "consuming" and let us "create" or "PROduce" with a PROductivity oriented iPad PRO.
 
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samcraig said:
And again - he said that as a positioning statement. To differentiate his product from the others. It's why they talk about retina. Or sapphire. Or that the iPhone is the thinnest in the world (ooops - they had to go back and correct that one to the thinnest iPhone yet), and so on

It's marketing. Those who think Steve meant that stylus had no place or would never be a better input device weren't paying attention.
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I was about to post something along the same idea.

The audience was laughing when Steve Jobs said those things, they were obviously not meant to be taken literally.
 
ogun7 said:
Schiller reports back on all the artists that use a Surface to run Photoshop or designers running Autodesk products with their stylii. The creatives should be using Apple products and this new iPad will cater to them. I just hope they launch some killer software or partner with someone like Maya for some awesome app at launch. I need a stylus to design characters for 3D rendering on my jewelry and furniture designs and most of the artist pro-level stylii suck.
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The market for it is so obvious there is no question Apple is aware. They even demoed my long time favorite app, Brushes, during one of their keynotes. There are countless apps out there, from PDF annotation, to note taking, to vector graphics, and digital art. Not to mention photo manipulation. These aren't even that niche, and lots of people use them - I've frequently seen such apps as top sellers.

And yet without proper stylus support, the actual functionality of these is perpetually wanting. Another commenter pointed out he's never seen anyone actually add one of the many stylii available into their workflow, and that's only true because there are no real good solutions at this point. The accuracy just isn't there with Apple's capacitive displays, and never will be. This needs to be Apple's move for it to work.

That said, it is still relatively niche functionality, as most tasks people perform are superior with a finger and they will use touch 90% of the time. So how do you justify the marginal cost per unit for the additional hardware when it isn't actually essential? I'm doubtful, but I certainly hope these rumors are true. I want nothing more than for Apple to support a stylus on the iPad.

There are so many options now, from the Surface Pro to the Galaxy Note - Toshiba has even released one. And Wacom jumped into the game last year. All of them are good products, but have these key flaws that IMO really make it hard to justify the expense. The Note is the closes to what I want, but TouchWiz is laggy and the S-Pen is strong but not optimal.

The iPad is the best tablet out there IMO and I love my Air. Great form factor, great weight, great design and hardware, and mature software that works perfectly with huge developer support. It just needs a stylus!
 
Nausicaa said:
There are so many options now, from the Surface Pro to the Galaxy Note - Toshiba has even released one.
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The toshiba 'encore 2 write' comes in 8 and 10.1 inch models with wacoms new es active pen solution. This looks like a really good product @ $349 and $399. Not as potent as a Surface or as elegant as an ipad--it shows windows oems are catching up. Does anyone care? Well, we'll see.
 
While rumors announcing the release this year of an iPad with a 12-inch diagonal are becoming more insistent, that's an accessory that would be a good selling ...




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A stylus with a large device makes sense. a stylus with a phone does not. Steve was right in regards to the iphone. People will never connect those dots I imagine.
 
navier said:
I bought the 1st gen iPad with the intention to draw on it with a 3rd party Stylus... but there where no preasure sensitivity on it, so skiped the Stylus... and the drawing.

I really hope the iPad Pro will be like a Cintiq 13HD made by Apple (Quality materials etc. ) although there may be no hardkeys :-/

If the Pro doesn't have preassure sensitivity, I really don't see the point of a "Pro" version of the iPad, and for those that don't understand what a massively big deal a Wacom-like Stylus experience is... well, they may buy the traditional (non Pro) iPad and keep "consuming" and let us "create" or "PROduce" with a PROductivity oriented iPad PRO.
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It's short for PROfit. They can always tack one or two hundred bucks onto anything with a "Pro" moniker.
 
I'd love for a longtime Cintiq user to chime in and say if this (iPad Pro & Apple Pencil) looks like it might compete with the Cintiq standalone tablets. I'm a graphic designer, but I couldn't afford a Cintiq. I would consider the iPad Pro and Apple Pencil if I could get the same results as a upper level Cintiq.
 
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Thanks samcraig. You're the MAN!

What I think will happen is that the iPad Pro will get an app that lets it talk to the Mac, much like pairing an iPad using the "Duet" app to create a second display (using the iPad). Which by the way works wonderfully. I use the Duet app with my iPad Air 2 as a 2nd display with my MacBook Pro laptop daily doing my graphic design stuff. The Duet app authors are ex Apple employees too.

http://www.duetdisplay.com

If someone can take that pixel level control that the iPad Pro has and tie that via app to the desktop as a Cintiq type setup we just might have the solution. Cintiq is hard to beat until that solution comes along.

The Apple Pencil is directed to designers and illustrators. Hopefully Adobe will created the bridge software app to tie it to their full featured apps. The Apple Pencil shows great promise in speed, brush angles and sensitivity with feathered angled edges. The next step is tying it to Photoshop and Illustrator directly or indirectly. I may try the illustration apps for the iPad (including the Adobe apps) and that may already make that bridge. I just got an email from Adobe highlighting the apps that bridge work from the iOS to the MacOS. A hint for things to come?
 
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thepixelpusher said:
Thanks samcraig. You're the MAN!

What I think will happen is that the iPad Pro will get an app that lets it talk to the Mac, much like pairing an iPad using the "Duet" app to create a second display (using the iPad). Which by the way works wonderfully. I use the Duet app with my iPad Air 2 as a 2nd display with my MacBook Pro laptop daily doing my graphic design stuff. The Duet app authors are ex Apple employees too.

http://www.duetdisplay.com

If someone can take that pixel level control that the iPad Pro has and tie that via app to the desktop as a Cintiq type setup we just might have the solution. Cintiq is hard to beat until that solution comes along.

The Apple Pencil is directed to designers and illustrators. Hopefully Adobe will created the bridge software app to tie it to their full featured apps. The Apple Pencil shows great promise in speed, brush angles and sensitivity with feathered angled edges. The next step is tying it to Photoshop and Illustrator directly or indirectly. I may try the illustration apps for the iPad (including the Adobe apps) and that may already make that bridge. I just got an email from Adobe highlighting the apps that bridge work from the iOS to the MacOS. A hint for things to come?
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I haven't used a Cintiq in a decent enough amount of time. I think one of the things to test head to head is really the amount of pressure points available. Was that revealed for the iPad Pro/Apple Pencil?
 
The iPad Pro has a 12.9-inch display with a resolution of 2732 x 2048 and 265 pixels-per-inch (pip). Supposedly the Apple Pencil has access down to the pixel level. So what does that mean? Not sure until we see what apps are offered and how low the Apple Pencil latency is in real world use. The Cintiq is a very high bar to challenge and I think this first step by Apple will not challenge it much. What the future is will be determined by the support of Adobe and the speed and efficiency of the workflow. Apple Pencil might just be laying the groundwork to the future or not.

With the amount of artists using the Mac I'm sure we'll find out in November when the iPad Pro and Apple Pencil are released. It remains to be seen if the iPad Pro with Apple Pencil can offer the same efficiency and access to applications as Cintiq. It just might take time for Apple and Adobe to get the Apple Pencil up to par with Cintiq.
 
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WOW!!!

Okay, the Cintiq-like solution is already available for iPad and lets you directly access the full fledged Photoshop, Illustrator or other non iOS software on your MacIntosh directly from your iPad. :):D:):D

The "Astropad" app (loaded on Mac and iPad) gives you a Cintiq experience using your iPad/MacIntosh setup. On the Astropad website they say that the Apple Pencil and iPad Pro will be supported and offer a higher quality experience too. Just be sure to hook up the hard-wired lightning/USB iPad/Mac connection to get latency free responsiveness instead of the optional WiFi wireless over the air connection.

It's settled. The wife will get my iPad Air 2 and I'm getting an iPad Pro and will run Astropad.

http://astropad.com/ipad/#


Unlike the current iPad Air 2 the iPad Pro will provide pixel level accuracy, like the Cintiq, with the Apple Pencil. One of the biggest proponents of using the Microsoft Surface Pro 3 for illustration/photoshop loved the Astropad app (YouTube's Brad Colbow). The cons he mentioned in a recent video will be fixed by the capabilities of the new iPad Pro.

God I love the Apple app developers.

[NOTE: Like the "Duet" iPad dual display app, these guys are ex-Apple employees.]

P.S. Here are informed thoughts from a Cintiq user that understands the impact the iPad Pro could have:

http://www.cultofmac.com/388474/apple-pencil-versus-wacom-cintiq/
 
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