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Hasn't wacom had this tech implemented since the late nineties? Apple and nTrig are both follow on developers

Exactly, and a stylus was included with the Nintendo DS and DS Lite. So people concluding that Apple shipping a stylus is Apple copying Samsung are completely out of touch with reality.
 
Not getting drawing into this one, you just believe whatever you want and ignore everything that's gone before... ;)

Okay that was an exaggeration. But iPhone has shaped the smartphone landscape - undeniably. Now more and more people try and paint Apple as a copycat, which seems unfair.
 
Do you remember the retina display on iPhone 4? Since then, phone makers seem to have been aiming to beat it, with higher and higher densities.

Cast your mind back further: the first iPhone. 'We got rid of all the buttons and just made a giant screen'. 3.5 was massive.

To beat it, the Samsung Galaxy S had a 4 inch screen.

Then, to ensure the phone looked better even to the casual observer, the next one was 4.3 inches.

Then the S3 which was 4.8 inches. Then, the S4 with a 5 inch display. And so on...

Screen size isn't always 'progress' sometimes it is a design choice. Samsung never made that choice, it evolved by accident.

Samsung's jump into a phone with a massive screen was the Galaxy Tab. Which at the time was the only Android competitor to... the iPad

Source: http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/tablets/samsung-galaxy-tab-903545/review

I never stated apple had never innovated, only that Samsung was innovative in terms of larger phones and tablets. Your "evolved by accident" arguement is laughable.
 
About time...

For anyone considering the purchase of a cintiq, this is fantastic news. Wacom will surely be worried about this. I am very excited about the possibly of being able to use an iPad as a pro graphics tablet and anyone complaining about it is missing the point (pardon the pun) the stylus won't be intended for everyday use...
 
Exactly, and a stylus was included with the Nintendo DS and DA Lite. So people concluding that Apple shipping a stylus is Apple copying Samsung are completely out of touch with reality.

I think far too many people worry themselves too much about who did what first.

It doesn't matter who was the first with what, so long as my preferred device does what I need it to, and does it well.
 
Okay that was an exaggeration. But iPhone has shaped the smartphone landscape - undeniably. Now more and more people try and paint Apple as a copycat, which seems unfair.

It's because they used to innovate more, and now they follow the market more, like with bigger screen phones, they become hypocritical sometimes and it winds people up I think.

Like Samsung launched a big Screen tablet a year ago, called it the Pro and it has a stylus, here we are talking about a big screen iPad that may be called 'Pro' and have a Stylus but Apple aren't following the market or Samsung? Yeah right.

But no point going on as this stylus is only a rumour, you never know with Apple. Would be interesting to see what artists make of another tablet with a stylus if they DO make one that isn't a PC.

Is an Android or iOS solution better or as good as a Surface Pro with a full on Pro graphics package?
 
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So you are going to just make a factless assumption that suits your argument, and then state we all knew what he meant. Ok...

That's pretty much exactly what you're doing. He was on stage talking about the best way to interact with your phone, which would be with tools you have with you at all times: your fingers.

He never said anything about drawing, drafting, painting, CAD, or note taking. Especially when you consider that he was introducing the iPhone, the iPad was still a few years away from release, and none of the iDevices were anywhere near powerful enough to do most of these things competitively against a desktop or higher end laptop at the time, while now they're pretty damn close.

Using a stylus as a required part of using a phone was exactly what he was talking about. It's not even read between the lines stuff.
 
Exactly, and a stylus was included with the Nintendo DS and DS Lite. So people concluding that Apple shipping a stylus is Apple copying Samsung are completely out of touch with reality.

Samsung is licensing the technology from wacom. Microsoft is licensing from ntrig. But Samsung was the first to introduce a pen into phones and android tablets. When apple introduces a pen they will join MS, Samsung, Toshiba, Lenovo, Dell, Acer, Sony and Wacom as pc/tablet manufacturers who introduced active pen functionality to their products.

They are not copying Samsung, they are catching up to the industry!

And somehow you forgot the newton!
 
Samsung is licensing the technology from wacom. Microsoft is licensing from ntrig. But Samsung was the first to introduce a pen into phones and android tablets. When apple introduces a pen they will join MS, Samsung, Toshiba, Lenovo, Dell, Acer, Sony and Wacom as pc/tablet manufacturers who introduced active pen functionality to their products.

They are not copying Samsung, they are catching up to the industry!

And somehow you forgot the newton!

Samsung was the first to introduce a smart pen with buttons on a phone, phones have had stylus for years but they were just pointing sticks. I also don't know of any Sony or Dell or Lenovo or Acer tablets with active pens? Particularly Sony?
 
Sigh... Steve is rolling over in his grave :(

Steve was not thinking about a 12+ inch tablet. If this device is aimed at content creators (as opposed to the one Steve introduced, which was aimed at consumers), then a stylus is mandatory.

Tablet for content consumers---> no stylus
Tablet for content creators--> stylus

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I never stated apple had never innovated, only that Samsung was innovative in terms of larger phones and tablets. Your "evolved by accident" arguement is laughable.

You present a low bar for "innovative". To me, innovative means new features and designing for new uses. "Larger" is not "innovative" per se. Of course, they may have had to design innovative new manufacturing processes to build "larger" devices; but then that's the processes that would be innovative, not the product.
 
Samsung is licensing the technology from wacom. Microsoft is licensing from ntrig. But Samsung was the first to introduce a pen into phones and android tablets. When apple introduces a pen they will join MS, Samsung, Toshiba, Lenovo, Dell, Acer, Sony and Wacom as pc/tablet manufacturers who introduced active pen functionality to their products.

They are not copying Samsung, they are catching up to the industry!

And somehow you forgot the newton!

Ah the Newton!

But yes, you're right. They will be 'catching up' in that regard, but Apple's still Apple and thankfully can make a calm response to the industry.
 
If you like Surface Pro, That's fine. However, I'm not going to drop my OS X software and hardware to use a Surface Pro. My Cintiq still offers better pressure support than the Surface Pro 3 and performs better. Drawing slowly on the Surface Pro alone yields raggedy lines, among other cons..

Your cintique offers better pressure support--but if is only perceptable on larger brushes. Research what that 2048 number really means .The diagnol jitter issue in ntrig is to me is akin to the edge jitter complaint made against wacom. Both technologies have weaknesses that can easily go unnoticed in normal use.

Cintique recognizes pen tilt, ntrig has true tracking with no screen gap offset. There are pros and cons to each technology. Cintique with Mac os is not a mobile option at this time
 
Schiller reports back on all the artists that use a Surface to run Photoshop or designers running Autodesk products with their stylii. The creatives should be using Apple products and this new iPad will cater to them. I just hope they launch some killer software or partner with someone like Maya for some awesome app at launch. I need a stylus to design characters for 3D rendering or my jewelry and furniture designs and most of the artist pro-level stylii suck.

This. This. This!
 
Steve was not thinking about a 12+ inch tablet. If this device is aimed at content creators (as opposed to the one Steve introduced, which was aimed at consumers), then a stylus is mandatory.

Tablet for content consumers---> no stylus
Tablet for content creators--> stylus

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You present a low bar for "innovative". To me, innovative means new features and designing for new uses. "Larger" is not "innovative" per se. Of course, they may have had to design innovative new manufacturing processes to build "larger" devices; but then that's the processes that would be innovative, not the product.

I veiw the ipad as innovative--even though it is essentially a larger iphone.
 
It's because they used to innovate more, and now they follow the market more, like with bigger screen phones, they become hypocritical sometimes and it winds people up I think.

Like Samsung launched a big Screen tablet a year ago, called it the Pro and it has a stylus, here we are talking about a big screen iPad that may be called 'Pro' and have a Stylus but Apple aren't following the market or Samsung? Yeah right.

But no point going on as this stylus is only a rumour, you never know with Apple. Would be interesting to see what artists make of another tablet with a stylus if they DO make one that isn't a PC.

Is an Android or iOS solution better or as good as a Surface Pro with a full on Pro graphics package?

Wasn't there jokes about the Tab Pro being in response to the runored iPad Pro?

I know rumours are rumours but this might be similar to what's happened with the Watch: Apple begin work on a new idea/iteration and before they've finished and released it, someone else has had the same idea.

I say might: undoubtably they don't sit with their head in the sand. They could have a Tab and a Surface on campus and be thinking 'crap, we need to be competitive here' or else 'this would be so great but they lack x which we could build...'
 
Thanks for your honest assessment. How many OSes have you designed yourself, just out of curiosity?

Isn't the question how many OS's has he used? And as a user has valid insights into the value of its design?
 
I think far too many people worry themselves too much about who did what first.

It doesn't matter who was the first with what, so long as my preferred device does what I need it to, and does it well.

A very good point. A friend of mine summed it up well with 'companies steal ideas from each other all the time - they're just responding to what the market wants'. However, I was responding to someone who implied Apple was The Copycat Company, and felt certain facts needed to be pointed out.
 
Samsung was the first to introduce a smart pen with buttons on a phone, phones have had stylus for years but they were just pointing sticks. I also don't know of any Sony or Dell or Lenovo or Acer tablets with active pens? Particularly Sony?

I said "products" not "tablets". But since you mentioned Sony--they did introduce a windows 8 tablet with ntrig pen in 2013--it was called the tap 11. Also--the Sony duo 13-- is still the best hybrid tablet with pen computer. Sony closed pc operations in late 2014.

Now, try googling Dell Venue.
 
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OK, so they are catching up to MS, not Samsung in this instance. In other contexts they have copied Samsung

How do you know they would not introduce a highly innovative stylus? Just adding a stylus to a tablet was not innovative on anyone's part. But not every improvement has to be an innovation to be worthwhile-- sometimes it's uniquely valuable to just add old A to existing B.
 
The day Apple releases a stylus for an iPad will be the day I will believe that they don't know what they are doing.
Nobody needs a stylus. There are better methods out there...

I wish Steve was still with us.

Please tell that to all the artists and designers who choose to use a pen/pencil/stylus or paintbrush rather than their finger tips. :rolleyes:

No. Wacom and N-Trig tech don't rely on powered pens at all. It's the screen itself that's doing all the work.

You don't necessarily need specialized tech to drive it. A pressure sensitive screen with a much, much finer resolution capacitance grid threaded through it would probably net about the same results without adding any weight or thickness to the device.

N-trig pens have batteries in the stylus.
 
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