Running all three since the summer betas, very few problems, just like the majority.
Not exactly the “gotcha” you think it is.
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Apple Preparing 'Most Significant Overhaul in the iPhone's History'
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Not exactly the “gotcha” you think it is.
WarmWinterHat
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I've read multiple places that sold 1.4 million in 2017, which is 23%. Here it is from Apple directly, which I guess is though October?
https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2007/10/22Apple-Reports-Fourth-Quarter-Results
Think of what you want, but iPad multitasking is still unintuitive, and even with the several people I know who own one, including the Pro..no one knows how to use it. It sucks.
Afraid (and wish indeed) this will be the most significant flop with the Apple Vision Pro
Too big (for a phone), too predictible, too expensive
Too big (for a phone), too predictible, too expensive
I'm so not interested in a folding phone especially with a visible crease. Would drive me crazy.
WarmWinterHat
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Smaller in the pocket, and if it's thin like the Air, then it would be pretty small folded.
Nice if it had a small outer screen like the Motorola flip, and I didn't have to open to do quick things. It would need to be about the size of my 16 Pro, and not much thicker when folded than a regular unfolded model. The Air's screen is too big for my taste.
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Naraxus
macrumors 68030
As has been explained to you on multiple occasions by myself & others, neither the VP nor the IPA have been the flops you so wish they were.
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The Game 161
macrumors Nehalem
Seriously
iPad can do
3 apps side by side
Slide over
As many windows as you want
This is all you need multitasking for and that’s perfect for doing any task
The Game 161
macrumors Nehalem
There isn’t expected to be barely any crease.
Creases aren’t noticeable at all in daily usage. If you can cope with notches and island this is nothing
Do you not understand how quarterly earnings calls work?
Fourth quarter meaning July through September. The Holiday Quarter would be considered Q1 of the following year.
Literally look at the date published of the article you posted man, October 22, 2007. The iPhone wasn’t even on sale for a full four months at that point.
At Mac world 2008 on January 15, 2008, Steve Jobs announced Apple sold their fourth millionth iPhone in December.
WarmWinterHat
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I did read that wrong, thank you. I have to look it up each time; don't follow or read earning reports.
Very interested in this device, except for the lack of the 3 camera system and Face ID.
JPack
macrumors P6
Well, yeah Gurman is correct.
What’s the difference between an iPhone 4, 6, X, 12, 14, or 17? It’s been the same formula for years. Larger displays and no true multitasking. Fold starts to blend the line between content consumption and productivity.
The whole “nobody will buy this” is classic Gen X and Boomer response. They didn’t grow up using iPads so why have an iPad in their pocket? The consumer concerns are around price, durability, and usefulness. If Apple can solve at least 2 out of the 3, why would any one bet against Apple fold?
What’s the difference between an iPhone 4, 6, X, 12, 14, or 17? It’s been the same formula for years. Larger displays and no true multitasking. Fold starts to blend the line between content consumption and productivity.
The whole “nobody will buy this” is classic Gen X and Boomer response. They didn’t grow up using iPads so why have an iPad in their pocket? The consumer concerns are around price, durability, and usefulness. If Apple can solve at least 2 out of the 3, why would any one bet against Apple fold?
Alan-in-CO
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I already have an iPad, I really don't need this much screen on my phone. Also, I don't have $2K to drop on a first gen product, but I'm sure it will get better and cheaper, so I could change my mind in the future.
For those who absolutely need a reminder…
Apple produced 500,000 vision pros for the year 2024. That was literally as many as they could produce, not what they wanted to produce, that’s what they could produce.
They sold reported 380,000 to 400,000 units in 2024.
By comparison…
Samsung already sells an estimated 5 to 6,000,000 foldable phones every year, for several years running now, and it’s only increasing. This means that every year, they sell at least 5 million, quite predictably at this point.
Apple is said to have ordered between nine and 15 million foldable displays for their first generation phone.
For this device to be a “flop”, not only would it have to sell less than the 9 million units ordered (unlikely) but it would also have to sell significantly less than the already established 5 to 6,000,000 units that their main competitor (and supplier) Samsung already does.
Apple already sells 200,000,000+ phones every year, if I were a betting man I would say they will hit that 9 million target quite easily, and certainly will surpass the 5 million of Samsung.
Apple produced 500,000 vision pros for the year 2024. That was literally as many as they could produce, not what they wanted to produce, that’s what they could produce.
They sold reported 380,000 to 400,000 units in 2024.
By comparison…
Samsung already sells an estimated 5 to 6,000,000 foldable phones every year, for several years running now, and it’s only increasing. This means that every year, they sell at least 5 million, quite predictably at this point.
Apple is said to have ordered between nine and 15 million foldable displays for their first generation phone.
For this device to be a “flop”, not only would it have to sell less than the 9 million units ordered (unlikely) but it would also have to sell significantly less than the already established 5 to 6,000,000 units that their main competitor (and supplier) Samsung already does.
Apple already sells 200,000,000+ phones every year, if I were a betting man I would say they will hit that 9 million target quite easily, and certainly will surpass the 5 million of Samsung.
tim-apple-silicon
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That horrible foldable
Bloomberg's Mark Gurman has high expectations for Apple's first foldable iPhone.
In his Power On newsletter today, he said the foldable iPhone will be "the most significant overhaul in the iPhone's history."
"iPhone 4, iPhone 6 and iPhone X were clearly a big deal, but this is a whole new design," he said.
Like Samsung's Galaxy Z Fold 7, the foldable iPhone will reportedly open up like a book, providing users with a large inner screen for watching videos, playing games, and multitasking. iOS 27 is expected to be optimized for the foldable iPhone, allowing for apps to be open side-by-side and for other iPad-like multitasking functionality.
A few months ago, a report said the foldable iPhone will be equipped with a 7.7-inch inner display, and a 5.3-inch outer display. It was initially rumored that the device would have a virtually "crease-free" inner display, but it was later reported that Apple is using technology that "reduces the crease without eliminating it entirely."
Apple supply chain analyst Ming-Chi Kuo expects the foldable iPhone to have two rear cameras, one front camera, and a Touch ID power button instead of Face ID.
Apple will likely unveil the foldable iPhone in September this year, alongside the iPhone 18 Pro and iPhone 18 Pro Max. However, according to analyst Tim Long and Gurman, the foldable iPhone might ship later than the Pro models.
In the U.S., it has been estimated that the foldable iPhone may start at or above $1,999.
Article Link: Apple Preparing 'Most Significant Overhaul in the iPhone's History'
Look how they massacred my boy
ProbablyDylan
macrumors 68040
Another contestant for the least popular iPhone flavor. Doubt it'll dethrone later Plus versions.
Anything but make another mini. 🙄
Anything but make another mini. 🙄
Im really hyped for this. I've wanted a foldable iphone since samsung first put one out 6 years ago, and yes, NONE OF THEM ARE PERFECT...You have genuine durability issues with the screen, the crease, the hinge, dust and water getting into it, the form factor, how big the front and internal display should be, etc. Its not a easy device to build from the ground up. The screen itself, is still plastic, as pure glass does not bend without shattering and all the rumors here point to a few trade offs...like i dont like the idea of NOT having FaceID in a 2000 dollar iphone. Im still not sure how the internal screen camera is going to work (or if there even will be one) and i dont like the idea of only having 2 lenses on the back instead of the usual 3 we get on the pros.
Im not crazy about the form factor either. It looks too wide, but then again, i find my current iphone 16 pro max too tall and thin at times. Its one of these things you really have to go hands on with to get a proper feel of things. Its also unlikely to have any kind of apple pencil support, and that will be a feature of a newer next gen version in a few years and im not crazy about having to save up atleast 2000 dollars for one.
But i am willing to except those trade offs. Im not expecting the thing to be perfect, but a step in the right direction. Who knows, i may save up, buy it at launch and hate it and bring it back within a week. I honestly dont know. Ive done that before with plenty of apple products i had high hopes for.
The Ipad Mini and the Airpod max for example. I still think the mini is a wonderful format with a budget system. It needs an OLED Screen, FaceID and 120HZ refresh rate. Give me that, and ill happly trade in my M4 11 inch pro in a heart beat.
it annoys me apple finally is putting out an upgraded H2 chip Airpods Max, but a year too late and still uses that horrid bra case and no off button. Ok... trades off at full price. But im still willing to give it a chance.
What pisses me off the most isnt apple, its all the haters in here bitching about the device that still hasnt been anounced yet, all of this is rumor, and yet at the same time bitch and moan apple doesnt try anything new or innovate either...its like, you do have options there too....the Iphone 18 Pro will still come out. You still have the Iphone Air if you want form over function. Or you could just switch to android.
No one is forcing anyone to buy this phone. I usually try to upgrade every year, but this year i sat out the 17 pro max because outside of the heavier feeling and the change in the back of the camera, i saw no major reason to upgrade, yet i like how it feels heavier.
Same thing with the apple watch ultra 2...wasnt enough of an upgrade to get the 3. Now if they put a touch ID in the 4 for payments, thats something id like.
Im not crazy about the form factor either. It looks too wide, but then again, i find my current iphone 16 pro max too tall and thin at times. Its one of these things you really have to go hands on with to get a proper feel of things. Its also unlikely to have any kind of apple pencil support, and that will be a feature of a newer next gen version in a few years and im not crazy about having to save up atleast 2000 dollars for one.
But i am willing to except those trade offs. Im not expecting the thing to be perfect, but a step in the right direction. Who knows, i may save up, buy it at launch and hate it and bring it back within a week. I honestly dont know. Ive done that before with plenty of apple products i had high hopes for.
The Ipad Mini and the Airpod max for example. I still think the mini is a wonderful format with a budget system. It needs an OLED Screen, FaceID and 120HZ refresh rate. Give me that, and ill happly trade in my M4 11 inch pro in a heart beat.
it annoys me apple finally is putting out an upgraded H2 chip Airpods Max, but a year too late and still uses that horrid bra case and no off button. Ok... trades off at full price. But im still willing to give it a chance.
What pisses me off the most isnt apple, its all the haters in here bitching about the device that still hasnt been anounced yet, all of this is rumor, and yet at the same time bitch and moan apple doesnt try anything new or innovate either...its like, you do have options there too....the Iphone 18 Pro will still come out. You still have the Iphone Air if you want form over function. Or you could just switch to android.
No one is forcing anyone to buy this phone. I usually try to upgrade every year, but this year i sat out the 17 pro max because outside of the heavier feeling and the change in the back of the camera, i saw no major reason to upgrade, yet i like how it feels heavier.
Same thing with the apple watch ultra 2...wasnt enough of an upgrade to get the 3. Now if they put a touch ID in the 4 for payments, thats something id like.
jz0309
macrumors P6
IF they'd put a TouchID in the watch, instant no-buy for me. There is zero reason for it.
Same here.
As usual, most here are panning it before it’s even released. I guess that feels good and is somehow empowering.
No doubt when it’s released there’ll be loads of “who asked for this”, going back to Jobs’ introduction of iPod and all of the “who asked for a thousand songs in your pocket” retorts
Same I’d prefer a flip over a fold.
Always thought folding phones were overrated.
If it launches at 2k you could buy a mid tear iPad and iPhone and possibly have enough change for some AirPods.
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
We have two iPhones, 2 iPads, one MacBook Neo, 2 Apple Watches an ATV and a HomePod on iOS 26. We have no issues with the software on any platform. Obviously YMMV, different strokes for different folks with their overall experience and satisfaction.
H.E. Pennypacker
macrumors 65816
Do you really not have any frivolous spending habits? Everyone allocates money somewhere, just because it’s not tech doesn’t make it more rational. And I wouldn’t even call this frivolous. If it’s a tool I’ll actually use day-to-day for work and it makes me more efficient, that’s an investment, not an impulse buy. Waiting makes sense for some people, but for others the upside of being early, especially if it improves how you work is worth it.
But I guess the question is why are you so adamantly defending those two products. Manufacturing forecasts were cut significantly. Clearly they didn't live up to expectation. That's not even disputable. You may like them, yes. But, that doesn't mean they didn't flop.