Right. What I was wondering was whether or not it might support something like 500Mbps ethernet (so you don't lose so much if you whole network is Gig-E).
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Apple Preparing to Add HDMI to Macs?
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Right. What I was wondering was whether or not it might support something like 500Mbps ethernet (so you don't lose so much if you whole network is Gig-E).
Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD are working only with HDMI 1.3 (and better), if I was informed correctly.
Toslink will not work (and so the adapter also will not work for these audio-codecs).
HDMI still supports higher resolutions than DisplayPort.
DisplayPort can NOT support blu-ray audio. HDMI allows for up to a 36.86Mbps audio bitrate. DisplayPort allows for only 6.144Mbps. Blu-ray video has a maximum AV bitrate of 48Mbps. That bitrate can be divided between audio and video however the disc producer sees fit. Uncompressed PCM audio on blu-ray discs can be as high as 18Mbps of that stream. Dolby True HD allows for up to 18Mbps audio encoding. DTS Master HD goes up to 24.5Mbps.
So as it stands now, DisplayPort can't do any of the higher quality blu-ray audio tracks, only the lower quality lossy codecs. But, again, Apple's DisplayPort does NOT support audio of any kind.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolby_TrueHD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DTS-HD_Master_Audio http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#Version_comparison
"Professional computer workstations" .. a market Apple doesn't compete in. Especially not with their 6-bit displays. The 30" Apple Cinema Display hasn't been updated in how many years now? It's so far behind other displays now that its existance is irrelevant.
If what you say is true about DisplayPort, why isn't it more widely used? HDMI 1.3 is not as old as the original DisplayPort spec, yet HDMI use in the years since the spec was released has skyrocketed. While only one company is pushing DisplayPort and not even fully using it.
Didn't read the link I posted? "High Speed HDMI 1.3 cables can support all HDMI 1.4 features except for the HDMI Ethernet Channel"
As for other posts in this thread. DisplayPort and DVI do support HDCP. Right now, the main problem is audio. DisplayPort does NOT support the audio bandwidth needed for blu-ray discs. HDMI supports 36.86 Mbps for audio, DisplayPort is stuck at 6.144Mbps. Blu-ray audio can be as high as 18Mbps for uncompressed PCM or 24.5Mbps for lossless. Blu-ray over DisplayPort can't happen.
720p from iTunes on an Apple TV looks better than 1080p from my cable provider. People who say the Apple TV struggles are more likely to be having network problems than issues with their Apple TV. The only problem I have had with an Apple TV is the screen flickering black for 15 or 30 seconds after
switching inputs. Honestly, I don't know if the problem is my Apple TV, My receiver or my TV.
Is this important?
I don't think so. You don't have to buy a monitor from apple (with just one DVI/Displayport to connect just one Computer). There are many firms out there, where you can buy a Display.
So I don't care.
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There is also DiiVA: http://www.diva-interface.org/
It uses CAT6 cable!!!
Never heard such a nonsense. Silicon Image has been selling their DVI transmitter/receiver chips with integrated HDCP for many years, and graphics cards have been using them for years.
Thats Kanexlive.com
As for the first adapter :
Note: Compatible only with Mac computers with Mini DisplayPorts. Current Apple Macbooks may not support audio through the Mini DisplayPort. Review your manual for audio transfer capabilities.
DVI can support it.
Wikipedia said:
I'm not quite sure I've got a handle on this tech, though. I've seen some monitors that claim DVI (HDCP) on the specs, although more and more monitors have just started to put HDMI on there instead.
HDMI, eSATA, USB3.0, Blu-Ray and Controllable by iPhone(Front Row style remote)- Would result in the sale of my PS3 and the adoption of a Mini as our media player. 3.5" HDD would be nice too, but not essential.
I am personally happy to stick with my PS3 and MP until new standards emerge.
I am personally happy to stick with my PS3 and MP until new standards emerge.
Personally, I don't think BlueRay is going to increase its market share much at all. The future lies with digital download. People simply don't want discs taking up valuable storage space. Blue Ray was too late coming to market. Doesn't mean I am opposed to having a Blue Ray compatible disc drive on my Mac, I just think that its usefulness will be short lived.
Anyways, why should Apple support a SONY created device? SONY are the biggest opponents to having their media side of the business being released on the iTunes Stores.
Does the addition of HDMI really make the Mac heads jump up and down? Especially on the Mini. I just don't even see what the big deal is for this to be on MR...but then again MR reports when Jobs sneezes so...
1)HDMI is meant to be connected to a tv and/or stereo system as it sends both audio and video.
2)HDMI is really meant for outputting a movie. Yes, in consoles like the PS3 it is used for games, too, but the PS3 really is a dedicated device specifically designed to become a part of the home theater system.
3)Although I and countless other people own machines with HDMI output, is any large percentage of people even using the HDMI out? Nope. Maybe a small percentage of the laptop people since the laptop is very portable. Maybe some enthusiasts who want to have a computer (Mini, but hey, the Mini doesn't support BluRay so what's the point with making it some kind of hi-def video player?) in their stereo system rack. But for the 80-90% of HDMI-computer owners, it's just a very rarely used port and likely will be rarely used for a very long time. Nice to have...don't get me wrong...but so rarely used. Most (and I mean much more than 51%) do not have their computer plugged into their home stereo/theater system. Not even me...a huge a/v and computer enthusiast (and have been for 30+ years).
Apple better offer something better in the next Mini than a rarely used HDMI port.
-Eric
1)HDMI is meant to be connected to a tv and/or stereo system as it sends both audio and video.
2)HDMI is really meant for outputting a movie. Yes, in consoles like the PS3 it is used for games, too, but the PS3 really is a dedicated device specifically designed to become a part of the home theater system.
3)Although I and countless other people own machines with HDMI output, is any large percentage of people even using the HDMI out? Nope. Maybe a small percentage of the laptop people since the laptop is very portable. Maybe some enthusiasts who want to have a computer (Mini, but hey, the Mini doesn't support BluRay so what's the point with making it some kind of hi-def video player?) in their stereo system rack. But for the 80-90% of HDMI-computer owners, it's just a very rarely used port and likely will be rarely used for a very long time. Nice to have...don't get me wrong...but so rarely used. Most (and I mean much more than 51%) do not have their computer plugged into their home stereo/theater system. Not even me...a huge a/v and computer enthusiast (and have been for 30+ years).
Apple better offer something better in the next Mini than a rarely used HDMI port.
-Eric
If this is true, it seems Apple is pushing the MacMini and maybe other products to replace eventually the AppleTV.
I am fine with that. I just hope Apple will come up with a software solution as well to make the whole entertainment experience whole. I like what Plex do but I think Apple can really push the envelope here and take the experience to a whole new level.
I am fine with that. I just hope Apple will come up with a software solution as well to make the whole entertainment experience whole. I like what Plex do but I think Apple can really push the envelope here and take the experience to a whole new level.
From the VESA website:
"high definition audio formats such as Dolby MAT, DTS HD, all Blu-Ray formats..."
Happened.
Maybe you missed that the DP 1.2a spec came out recently.
I agree on your digital download (I'll abbreviate DD) statement...but honestly, DD is decades away from being a reality for the masses.
It's 2010 and my crummy 20Mbit downstream and 1.5Mbit upstream doesn't stream movies very well.
Homes are going to need to see a huge surge in network bandwidth, throughput, etc. And you're also going to need the websites (for lack of a better word) to have a super huge pipe to support millions of homes streaming/downloading/watching movies/tv over a standard internet connection.
It just isn't here or even on the horizon for at least 10 years. We've been seeing commercials since when?...2001 from companies like Cox with promises of a DD world and here we are almost 10 years later and zippo.
As optimistic as I usually am, I'm quite the realistic on this topic. And, contrary to your belief, humans like to own physical objects...I don't necessarily want a world where I do not own a shiny dvd or bluray disc that I can always touch and hold and watch whenever, wherever...I don't want to have to wonder about the magic in the internet cloud about who owns my "movie" and what happens if the company goes out of business or someone hacks it and deletes all my movies...or if I pay my bill late and they nuke my account...or if they mix my name up with someone else and screw up my movie list.
Yes...humans like tangible things.
-Eric
knowing Apple, they'll probably make a mini-HDMI port in which people will have to shell out more cash for their adapters. As long as this strengthens the Mac Mini and kills off the much niched 
tv, I'm all for it Apple. Besides, arnt they known as simplicity at the heart? Why keep tv when MacMini can do the task much more efficiently + frontrow and youtube (and a whole computer FFS!)
tv, I'm all for it Apple. Besides, arnt they known as simplicity at the heart? Why keep tv when MacMini can do the task much more efficiently + frontrow and youtube (and a whole computer FFS!)
A lot of folks are missing an important point here. The thing is, whether DisplayPort is better or HDMI is better, what ultimately matters the most is what's the standard.
The better technology doesn't always win out. In fact, often times is doesn't. Which was a better technology - BetaMax, or VHS? BetaMax was, but VHS became the standard.
When something becomes a standard, then one of the most important things a consumer electronics company can do is adopt it, even if there's something that's technically better that they have to give up. Having a BetaMax player may have meant that you had the better technology, but what good did it do you when you couldn't get any films in that format?
Now there's another parallel here as well that's worth noting, because you see BetaMax never really went away. It remained very big in professional production, TV studios, and whatnot. Why? Because it was better! So people like Mcgargle may be correct, if indeed Display Port is really a techinically better technology, because it may end up being used in professional settings.
But at the same time, they're completely completely wrong if they try to argue that Apple ought to include Display Port on their products over HDMI because its better and can be used for more professional products. The average Joe buying his Macbook or Macbook Pro or his Mac Mini needs HDMI so he can hook it up to his HDTV to watch HD video, or even to most of the consumer monitors that are out there.
Should Apple have Display Port on their Mac Pros, or other high end stuff? Sure. But the point is, people want to watch video - weather from iTunes or blu-ray (if Apple were to offer it) on their TVs. Just like BetaMax and the non-availability of any films, if you have a better display connector but it doesn't connect to anything you can buy in the Best Buy, then what good is it to anyone?
This is why we have standards, standards organizations, etc. etc. Sometimes, the best doesn't win out, and we have to wait until the next cycle. It's part of living in a high-tech society where we can't all just make our own stuff in the backyard.
The better technology doesn't always win out. In fact, often times is doesn't. Which was a better technology - BetaMax, or VHS? BetaMax was, but VHS became the standard.
When something becomes a standard, then one of the most important things a consumer electronics company can do is adopt it, even if there's something that's technically better that they have to give up. Having a BetaMax player may have meant that you had the better technology, but what good did it do you when you couldn't get any films in that format?
Now there's another parallel here as well that's worth noting, because you see BetaMax never really went away. It remained very big in professional production, TV studios, and whatnot. Why? Because it was better! So people like Mcgargle may be correct, if indeed Display Port is really a techinically better technology, because it may end up being used in professional settings.
But at the same time, they're completely completely wrong if they try to argue that Apple ought to include Display Port on their products over HDMI because its better and can be used for more professional products. The average Joe buying his Macbook or Macbook Pro or his Mac Mini needs HDMI so he can hook it up to his HDTV to watch HD video, or even to most of the consumer monitors that are out there.
Should Apple have Display Port on their Mac Pros, or other high end stuff? Sure. But the point is, people want to watch video - weather from iTunes or blu-ray (if Apple were to offer it) on their TVs. Just like BetaMax and the non-availability of any films, if you have a better display connector but it doesn't connect to anything you can buy in the Best Buy, then what good is it to anyone?
This is why we have standards, standards organizations, etc. etc. Sometimes, the best doesn't win out, and we have to wait until the next cycle. It's part of living in a high-tech society where we can't all just make our own stuff in the backyard.
I'll Take One HDMI Mini With Snow Leopard Server For $999 Thank You Very Much
HDMI Cables are very cheap and abundant. I recently bought a 50 foot HDMI cable for $18 that works with no amplifier in the line. Hooks to a remote HDTV easily with no need for a separate audio run from the source like you would have to with DVI.
Me too. I'll wait for that unit to ship with Snow Leopard Server for $999.
Zactly.