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Apple Preparing to Add HDMI to Macs?
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Eric, I agree with what you say and I apologise that I didn't clarify that I am speaking from a Japanese market perspective. I also like tangible things, but living space here is limited and the first thing my partner and I did when we bought the MacMini was put all of our CD media onto the MacMini and some onto my MacBook and put the CDs into old shoe boxes and put them in the furthest, hardest to reach corner of the least used cupboard to free up the easy to use shelf space for other more often used daily stuff. Liking tangible things and not entirely trusting of digital, we didn't throw the CDs away. It doesn't mean however that I want to buy a Blue Ray disc when I can have it digital.
Japan has an excellent broadband network and the speed thing is not really a big issue here already. Physical space however, does remain an issue! Whilst media can be digitalised, things like skiing equipment, camping equipment and other sports related hobby equipment cannot be put on a hard drive and anything that can be digitalised and free up space for other hobbies is welcome!
Because Apple is a stubborn son of the gun wanting to go its direction in tech not the publics direction, thats why it took so long. Im going to wait and see what they do I just hope it doesnt get handicapped again with Intels god awful integrated crapo graphics. Would love to get a new Mini and hdtv but Apple has a habit of crippling its lower stuff over and over and over and I fear Mini will get crippled in some fashion. Its the Apple way. Shame they cant just build a super Mini.
See, you've missed the point (at least to a degree). The winner isn't what tech is better - it's what has become standard. HDMI has become an overwhelming standard. It's *THE* way to connect AV right now. That's what's going to be on all of the consumer electronics, all of the TVs, etc.
Now, the degree to which you haven't missed the point is in saying that you can convert DisplayPort to HDMI with an adaptor. That would seem to make DisplayPort a better choice.
The problem is that people don't want to have to have an adaptor. They want it to "just work," which is what's made Apple stuff so successful recently. As a company, Apple has been providing stuff that "just works" to people, and made a ton of money doing so. If they refuse to adopt what has become the clear standard and require an adaptor to use it, that would be a large exeception to that practice. It's not good business - especially for Apple.
And of course, the fact that - at least currently - Apple hasn't made the DisplayPort tech in their products compatible with HDMI is another big issue. If you insist on making people use an adaptor, at least make your computers compatible with the adaptor by providing audio-streaming and HDCP in it.
Display port is no where, HDMI is everywhere along with HDTVs. The Math doesnt add up just like other apple proprietary connections that went the way of the dinosaur. Fact is People are connecting these to HDTV so Apple needs to get with the program. Consumer is King.
Not true...Mac users have become accustomed to using adapters for years now and this didn't stop the sales' growth...
More over, the "adapter switching trick" allows the 2009 MacMini to have:
- 2 VGA
- 2 DVI-SL
- 1 DVI-DL
- 2 HDMI (with no audio or stereo audio or 5.1 non-HD audio, depending on how much you want to spend in adapters)
- 1 Display Port 2560x1600 (to drive DIRECTLY a modern HP or Dell display, and of course the 2560x1440 27" iMac in "Target display mode")
- any combination of the above mentioned
We're looking at 7-8 video ports on a 16x16cm device. Try to do this without adapters.
Take a Dell ZinoHD, you cannot even hook 2 digital monitors to it. (it has HDMI+VGA, so only 1 digital output). But it has HDMI "without adapters" so it's cool.
probably because they know apple will charge them for the very things they used to provide (remotes, adapters, etc). I don't see a good reason on this thread as to not include HDMI. apple might not like it and want to have it, but they should provide it.
Read the links I posted. DP 1.2 still only supports 6Mbps for audio. DTS Master HD can use up to 36Mbps, uncompressed PCM still goes up to 18Mbps.
So while DP 1.2 can, in theory, stream the new codecs, the FACT remains that the standard DOES NOT have the bandwidth required for blu-ray audio.
According to the first adapter's packaging, it supports Dolby TrueHD and provides an HDMI 1.3b output. So DisplayPort must be capable of it.
At least it didn't take as long as it took iPods to get FM tuners.
Maybe Apple will add BD and update the ACD's this decade.
$50 billion in the bank. Think Different.
Maybe Apple will add BD and update the ACD's this decade.
$50 billion in the bank. Think Different.
"sales growth"?? Mac computers still have just a tiny fraction of the overall computer market. for what-should-be obvious reasons, I might add...
Wow. I already lost interest in the first page of this thread.
Before I get ripped to shreds, please read the following bullet points.
Now, please proceed to flame me, if thats your prerogative.
If youre still with me, I wish somebody (hopefully Apple) would invent a single port that could be used for anything. It would replace USB, Mini DisplayPort/HDMI/DVI, FireWire, ethernet, and audio mini jacks. Then computer manufacturers could load up the front, back, or side with these jacks.
Before I get ripped to shreds, please read the following bullet points.
- The tv is a specialized device for consuming iTunes content.
- Nobody forced you to buy an tv.
- If you have a need for a Mac mini, please buy one.
Now, please proceed to flame me, if thats your prerogative.
If youre still with me, I wish somebody (hopefully Apple) would invent a single port that could be used for anything. It would replace USB, Mini DisplayPort/HDMI/DVI, FireWire, ethernet, and audio mini jacks. Then computer manufacturers could load up the front, back, or side with these jacks.
HDMI all Macs
OMG i would actually jizz in my pants to have HDMI on my iMac to play my PS3 on it... would purchase a top of the range 27" iMac, which i would have little use for... just to get rid of my ****** half assed Samsung TV.... plus, with the gorgeous iMac/Apple Cinema Displays... shooting someone on MW2 would be much more satisfying... and i when i already kill someone i'm like yeah who's your bitch now mother****er
OMG i would actually jizz in my pants to have HDMI on my iMac to play my PS3 on it... would purchase a top of the range 27" iMac, which i would have little use for... just to get rid of my ****** half assed Samsung TV.... plus, with the gorgeous iMac/Apple Cinema Displays... shooting someone on MW2 would be much more satisfying... and i when i already kill someone i'm like yeah who's your bitch now mother****er
What would it take?
What would it take to enable full HD audio on current Mac Mini Displayport? Could it be done by software? (Without a big performance hit?) Would it require new hardware.
If I thought I could get a new Mac Mini with Displayport and have full HDMI audio (uncompressed 7.1) in the future using an adapter, I would be looking for my car keys right now.
What would it take to enable full HD audio on current Mac Mini Displayport? Could it be done by software? (Without a big performance hit?) Would it require new hardware.
If I thought I could get a new Mac Mini with Displayport and have full HDMI audio (uncompressed 7.1) in the future using an adapter, I would be looking for my car keys right now.
Sales have been constantly growing in the last few years. This is not in contradiction with your statement. Get your logic right.
The same reason a 50$ Nokia will always sell hundred times more than a Droid or a Nexus One.
Cheap products will always sell more and the gross of the market is made by low-budget buyers. But look at the 1000$+ market....
It's not a matter of quality/price, it's a matter of ABSOLUTE price.
Blue Ray!
This would bring my wildest dreams to life. Well, not the wildest ones. Actually the quite mundane ones. But still, dreams none-the-less.
PS3 Support Dude!!! but apart from potential Gaming on any Mac, it also allows Televisions to be used as Displays for Mac Mini's.... but this doesn't make any sense on Apple's part whatsoever? surely loss of sales of Apple Cinema Displays?
Maybe that's because DELL sells like 1000 different models of computers and nobody in their right mind is going to buy Zino to connect it to two monitors? Yet people do connect Mac Minis to TVs (because it's not that good for anything else)
Well, Apple is on the Blu-Ray team of companies which support the standard. However, I do agree with you. I've had enough of physical media.
HDMI is a home theater standard. Displayport is a computer standard. The two coexist and with an adaptor, Displayport computer output appears as an HDMI signal to a home theater system. There isn't any question of this. This is a fact.
I don't suspect that anyone cuts much slack for Apple leaving out integrated audio in its current implementations of Displayport, but arguably this is a situation that will be corrected in the near future as updated hardware is released.
Frankly, I can see the mac mini having an HDMI port as it is often used as a home theater component. Otherwise, I agree with Apple that Displayport should be the standard going forward.