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There are some apps that I want on all my Apple platforms (Mac Pro / MacBook Pro / MacBook Air / iMac / iPad / iPhone). Are there apps that have been compiled / ported for my range of Apple platforms? Is the future looking like multiple purchases at lower cost per app? If so - I see an increasing pain in the neck with updating, for example, 6 different versions of software.
 
Microsoft have disabled many of OSX's great features that make work quick and efficient:



1. Save as keyboard short cuts are gone

Shift+Cmd+S too hard for you?

2. Paste unformatted text shortcut is gone
They must've singled you out because my version of Office has this.


3. Expose doesn't work properly - often randomly switching between windows when copying/pasting text

No random switching for me.


4. Backspace to erase and entire entry from the save dialogue is gone

Not sure what you mean... text in the field not getting highlighted? Mine does.


5. Takes forever to open up and when it does, you can just have an empty screen, a document HAS to be open (takes time).

I'll give you this one. Office apps load slow (compared to their Windows counterparts). It's still a 32bit app on the mac.

There are many other reasons that I hate office for Mac, but mostly, it makes the Mac a completely useless tool.

Whatever goodness you derive from OSX, you can throw out. Maybe that was Microsoft's intent all along, I have no idea.


I might be reading between the lines but it sounds like there's more at play here for you other than software glitches. If you don't like Office because of some misguided "hatred" for MS, that's ok - just say so.
 
I know I'll get hell for this :p, but I've never found any use for most of the ilife and iwork applications apart from iMovie and iDVD, but iDVD has always failed on me, at least for 80% of the time, I would always experience syncing issues where the audio and video wasn't in sync..

I guess its great if you can make use out of these applications..

I use Pages and Numbers daily in my small business. It is very quick and easy to use, once you've lost the Word and Excel mindset. I'd never consider moving back. Funnily enough I never ever use iMovie or iDVD. But there you go, horses for courses, eh.
 
I bought Office '11 and I am disappointed. It seemed that it brought innovative features and Mac-like UI, but in the end is still the same Office.

I used Word a lot since it came out for college; full of buttons in your face in those millions ribbons, that however even though they are sorted out by type I still can't find what I need.

Sometime copy and paste doesn't work as supposed to, and still akward when use content different than text.

Pages had kind of the same problem sometimes when I had too many graphic object.

I hope Pages '11 will sort this thing out.
 
Got a question... Just bought my MBP last month and added Iwork09 for an additional $40... Any idea how much it might cost me to upgrade to IWork 11??

thanks
 
iWork '10 was useless compared to Office 2008 and Office 2011 is awesome so I could care less about the new release since it's useless for productivity.
 
well, the damn app store will come wether it's good for us or not.

we can only hope that iWorks 11 is an improved version and not a dumbed down app store version that we have to pay for if we want to "upgrade". the example of iLife/iPhoto makes me fear for the worst.

I could not agree more. The new iPhoto has me worried. If this is the direction of Mac apps, dumb down mini apps, then I want no part of it.
 
Prefer i work to office, makes it easier to do the things i need to that aren't quite worth firing up indesign for.

The thing to note here is - iwork/life aren't serial protected, so one disc goes a long way. This new delivery system should see a lot less cheating.

As for iLife? Iphoto is bereable, idvd works well for me, imovie i simply can't get into - still use 06 on the rare occuranaces i can't be bothered to use FCE.

The one thing that makes me smile every time is garageband - if you play guitar - this piece of kit is great.

I have the full logic pro - but GB is quicker to jam out the tune in the first place.
 
So you think the retail box set will have iWork '11 on a USB key like the one provided for the MacBook Air?

Exactly. They'll be out to prove the CD is dead.

That would be pretty sweet, but just how cheap do you think they can make those things? I mean, it's one thing to drop one in with a $1k machine, where the cost of the USB key would be <1% of the whole, but it's another in a software box in the $60-$80 range, where the cost of the key would be ~3%-5% of the MSRP. Compared to a DVD which would cost a few cents.

A small price to pay to help 'kill off' optical media, increase the prominence of the new App stores.
I'm betting on a lot of people to download. Also, smaller form factor may also reduce shipping costs, and add to their 'green-i-ness'.
 
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You can make anything show up in Suggested Searches

So, 9to5Mac thinks they've scooped the world because "iwork 11" shows up in their Suggested Searches list? Well it's just more proof that the 9to5Mac guys are a bunch of amateurish hacks.

Try this:
1. Type "iwork 2045" into the search field on Apple.com
2. Press the <return> key
3. Type "iwork" into the search field again
4. iwork 2045 now shows up in Suggested Searches

There. That's how 9to5Mac got fooled into thinking that Apple had built "iwork 11" into their web site. They tried searching for it once, forgot they had, then tried searching for it again.
 
iWork '10 was useless compared to Office 2008 and Office 2011 is awesome so I could care less about the new release since it's useless for productivity.

lolwut?

Useless for productivity? What is iWork '10? How have I missed a version newer than mine? How is writing a book in Pages not productivity?

Office 2008 was horrible. Office 2011 on the other hand is great.
 
I love Keynote. Looking forward to a brand new version.

Does anyone know if Pages is any good at importing and exporting MS Office documents? (.doc + .docx)
 
Maybe iWeb will make a return

Do the same search for the word iWeb on the store and it makes 1 suggestion - the word iWeb. This is the strange thing... when you click the suggestion it brings up iWork (iWeb is NOT part of the iWork suite)... Yet? :rolleyes:
 
Darn straight! I use RW4 or WP right now as iWeb has been abandoned!

And the new iPhoto. Wow. Beachballs more than iTunes does now, and that's on a quad core 09 Mac Pro with 8gb ram.

No 64 bit, no sale....

iLife '11 = worst Apple apps I've ever owned. I bought the family pack and now regret installing it on my dad's Mac (he hates it) much less not just opting to buy iLife '09 (I had '08) when I had the chance. It's downright unusuable on a machine that supposedly meets requirements. I pretty much thought buying Apple software was generally a no-brainer but as awful as iLife '11 is... I'll be heavily rethinking this process heavily going forward. Granted, it's my onus for not being more careful in the first place... but in the past, I never really had to be as I'd never had a problem. It's bad enough that Picasa was faster and more bug-free than iPhoto '08 (after iTunes '10 I couldn't get music in the slideshows), it's worse now that '08 was faster than '11. Hopefully Apple fixes this as I went straight to Jobs myself this time (via email) to complain as well as downrate the upgrade on the App. store. I'd address bugs to Apple but seriously... where do you even start with iPhoto 11? I mean... there's so many issues I don't even really know what to pick first to write about. It doesn't even feel like it was alpha tested, much less beta-tested.

Considering there's a lot of squawking about Aperture 3 being painfully slow too... there's not really a ton of confidence in me, honestly. Apple's dev team seems spread to thin focusing on iOS and Mac OS X to even focus on apps. much less keeping consistency in app. design. I'd almost like to see them buy some promising companies and develop core teams behind each app. to at least keep some consistency in UI and product design. It seems almost of late like every app. they build is almost a reinvention of the wheel without fixing the *REAL* issues. That said if they buy a developer like the people behind Pixelmator, I'd be afraid that they'd go the way of GoLive (under Adobe). We don't need that either.

As far as iWork... I don't own it but for the $ I'll consider it assuming it doesn't turn out to be a glacially slow p.o.s. like iLife '11 is. I think I'll wait for Apple to launch it and see what the general reviews are after the fact by the early-adopters, and maybe put off the purchase 'til Apple gets off of their butts and refactors iLife '11 (for free) into something remotely usable. As it stands right now... I feel like I paid for a lot of nothing and should've sprang for iLife '10 (little complaints about it) when I had the chance.

edit: Before I get flamed... I've owned countless Macs since '94. I'd never once had a software complaint with an Apple product in my life. This one's pretty epic though and actually makes Vista look more like a misstep vs. a total blunder. It's that bad.
 
lolwut?

Useless for productivity? What is iWork '10? How have I missed a version newer than mine? How is writing a book in Pages not productivity?

Office 2008 was horrible. Office 2011 on the other hand is great.

Sorry, iWork 09 shows you how often I use it. I had it on my old MBP that I got rid of, I haven't even bothered to install that steaming pile of dung on the new laptop. I don't know if Steve Jobs is aware of this, but the VAST majority of corporate/educational/business documents are created using MS Office and iWork sucks at working with these documents. Anything more complicated than a plain jane letter does not get formatted correctly, hyperlinks don't work right and certain fonts show up as mumbo jumbo and why in the world do I have to export a document to make it MS Office compatible instead of being able to select the format I want to save in to begin with?

Office 11>>>Office 2008>>>>>>>>>iWork
 
Sorry, iWork 09 shows you how often I use it. I had it on my old MBP that I got rid of, I haven't even bothered to install that steaming pile of dung on the new laptop. I don't know if Steve Jobs is aware of this, but the VAST majority of corporate/educational/business documents are created using MS Office and iWork sucks at working with these documents. Anything more complicated than a plain jane letter does not get formatted correctly, hyperlinks don't work right and certain fonts show up as mumbo jumbo and why in the world do I have to export a document to make it MS Office compatible instead of being able to select the format I want to save in to begin with?

Office 11>>>Office 2008>>>>>>>>>iWork

or you just don't know how to format documents correctly
 
Well, I bought the bloody thing, thinking that I needed it for work. At the time, I did, but it was because the employer was approaching their own work inefficiently.

Office is clunky on a Mac and is very bad on Windows. Microsoft have disabled many of OSX's great features that make work quick and efficient:

1. Save as keyboard short cuts are gone
2. Paste unformatted text shortcut is gone
3. Expose doesn't work properly - often randomly switching between windows when copying/pasting text
4. Backspace to erase and entire entry from the save dialogue is gone
5. Takes forever to open up and when it does, you can just have an empty screen, a document HAS to be open (takes time).
6. The unbroken interface bits are horrid, many of them icon-reliant rather than text. If you don't know what the icon means, you'll have a bugger of a time finding what you want.

There are many other reasons that I hate office for Mac, but mostly, it makes the Mac a completely useless tool. Whatever goodness you derive from OSX, you can throw out. Maybe that was Microsoft's intent all along, I have no idea.

My iWork 08 is far better than 2008 Office, not to mention the even more confusing '11 version.

For 19$, I'll love Pages, though I'll probably skip the other purchases.
What? I'm not saying you must have Office, or that it is better than iWork, but I'm not sure any of these particular comments are valid.

I'll skip commenting about all, as that's already been done. So:

6) ??? Is this about the Ribbon? It does need to be more customizable. But toolbars have been icon based for decades, now. And Apple started that. I thought we liked that??? BTW, in virtually any program on either OSX/Win, just hover over the icon and get a "tooltip" to explain what it is. Office 2011's tooltips are not on par with the Windows version, that is true, but they aren't horrible, they tell you what it is.

Are you sure your keyboard works?
Sure. It's just that you get the Home and Student edition of Office for around 80 bucks everywhere in Europe - so it costs the same as iWork. Also, an average Microsoft Office suite has a SUPPORTED lifetime of how many years? Ten? In those ten years of using a supported MS product, you have to update an average Apple product AT LEAST five times, because once you update one product, you quickly have to update them all or the crap won't work properly anymore. So what is more expensive over the years? It certainly isn't the stuff coming from Microsoft.

Also just look at how many pay-for upgrade OS X gets, and then compare it to just two major upgrades that Windows had in the last 8 years.
Once again, you are complaining about something completely unrelated (except that it is related to "computers") and making yourself look a fool. What support? You STILL don't know how to use Office? It's been around since the 80s. Software support is better done by users, anyway. And if you're claiming M$ is better at adding features for free...LOL!!

That would be pretty sweet, but just how cheap do you think they can make those things?
...
I see little 4GB USB "keys" at Staples for about $8-$10
Considering iWork would fit on a .5GB stick, pretty damn cheap.

Sorry, iWork 09 shows you how often I use it. I had it on my old MBP that I got rid of, I haven't even bothered to install that steaming pile of dung on the new laptop. I don't know if Steve Jobs is aware of this, but the VAST majority of corporate/educational/business documents are created using MS Office and iWork sucks at working with these documents. Anything more complicated than a plain jane letter does not get formatted correctly, hyperlinks don't work right and certain fonts show up as mumbo jumbo and why in the world do I have to export a document to make it MS Office compatible instead of being able to select the format I want to save in to begin with?

Office 11>>>Office 2008>>>>>>>>>iWork
If compatibility with others at work is your issue, just say that. See, that actually makes sense, unlike your first post. No software is 100% compatible with a competitor if they use a proprietary format. iWork doesn't "suck" at making .docx documents, it simply doesn't do it, not really. It doesn't make disc images, either, but if you need disc images, maybe you should just look at a product that does.

The Apple Online Search bar is no longer bringing up iWork 11 as an option.

... guess they found out :D

Or the last 5 searches were something else. Try again in 10 minutes.
 
iLife '11 = worst Apple apps I've ever owned. I bought the family pack and now regret installing it on my dad's Mac (he hates it) much less not just opting to buy iLife '09 (I had '08) when I had the chance. It's downright unusuable on a machine that supposedly meets requirements. I pretty much thought buying Apple software was generally a no-brainer but as awful as iLife '11 is... I'll be heavily rethinking this process heavily going forward. Granted, it's my onus for not being more careful in the first place... but in the past, I never really had to be as I'd never had a problem. It's bad enough that Picasa was faster and more bug-free than iPhoto '08 (after iTunes '10 I couldn't get music in the slideshows), it's worse now that '08 was faster than '11. Hopefully Apple fixes this as I went straight to Jobs myself this time (via email) to complain as well as downrate the upgrade on the App. store. I'd address bugs to Apple but seriously... where do you even start with iPhoto 11? I mean... there's so many issues I don't even really know what to pick first to write about. It doesn't even feel like it was alpha tested, much less beta-tested.

Considering there's a lot of squawking about Aperture 3 being painfully slow too... there's not really a ton of confidence in me, honestly. Apple's dev team seems spread to thin focusing on iOS and Mac OS X to even focus on apps. much less keeping consistency in app. design. I'd almost like to see them buy some promising companies and develop core teams behind each app. to at least keep some consistency in UI and product design. It seems almost of late like every app. they build is almost a reinvention of the wheel without fixing the *REAL* issues. That said if they buy a developer like the people behind Pixelmator, I'd be afraid that they'd go the way of GoLive (under Adobe). We don't need that either.

As far as iWork... I don't own it but for the $ I'll consider it assuming it doesn't turn out to be a glacially slow p.o.s. like iLife '11 is. I think I'll wait for Apple to launch it and see what the general reviews are after the fact by the early-adopters, and maybe put off the purchase 'til Apple gets off of their butts and refactors iLife '11 (for free) into something remotely usable. As it stands right now... I feel like I paid for a lot of nothing and should've sprang for iLife '10 (little complaints about it) when I had the chance.

edit: Before I get flamed... I've owned countless Macs since '94. I'd never once had a software complaint with an Apple product in my life. This one's pretty epic though and actually makes Vista look more like a misstep vs. a total blunder. It's that bad.

No cares how many Macs you've owned. The software works just fine for me. Maybe thats because I know how to use it (and when I don't, I actually learn).

All this on a 4 year old iMac. Your move, know-it-all.
 
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