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I agree that Apple is a good development platfrom, but from the consumers point of view it is becomming less and less viable. One of the earlier posters mentioned that I wanted apple to port Cocoa/Carbon to Linux. This is not actually the case. I am suggesting that Apple dump Cocoa/Carbon and use standard Linux libraries. I am simply suggesting that Apple can do a much better job of implementing a Linux GUI, using existing technologies, than anyone has managed yet. If they can make the first consumer friendly Linux distro, thats big business we're talking about there.

I agree that it is currently as easy as it has ever been to port apps from Linux to OS X. However, once Apples market share has dropped below a certain critical point (say 1%), software companies wont bother porting regadless of the ease. Its just not worth the time in development, support, and distribution. Additionally, once Linux is mainstream not all the software will be free. Currently most software for linux is also opensourse. So any developer with the inclination to do so could port a Linux app (eg. Openoffice) to the Mac without too many problems. However, when large companies like Adobe and Macromedia get into the act they will have to decide whether to support the Mac or not. In many cases the will decided not too.

However, if Macs are running a custom version of Linux (custom to the extent that the interface has been customised using standard Linux technologies) any Linux compatible software will work on the Mac. This will make it a viable platform for anyone looking for a Linux machine (there will be a lot of these guys in the future).

I would also like to comment on the posts saying that profitability is important, not market share. I hope you realize that the two are completely linked. The only way that tha Mac can stay profitable is if there is a decent selection of software for it. Very few people will shell out $3000 for a machine so that they can run OS X, iApps, and a handfull of Apple pro applications.

It was recently announced (by some rather credible surveys) that Linux now has a larger installed userbase worldwide than the Mac. So if you dont think its starting to become a viable platform, you better re evaluate your position on the Mac as well. The primary impitus for Linux right now is comming from Governments and Companies. Governments, particularly non US, are very weary of being dependant on an American company. There is a major issue of trust involved here. The Chinese, in particular, have adopted Linux as the standard OS for their government and are pushing it very aggressively in the general population (and you know how aggressive the Chinese government can be).

I also believe that Linux will really take off in India. The Indians are in the process of becomming worldwide software giants. It is only a matter of time before they start churning out quality Linux distros.

One of the advangages Linux has is that it is completely customizable. Particularly in non western countries, using Windows or Mac OS can be a hassle due to language barrier. With Linux however, the distro can be customized to meet the regional needs of any particular country. It can even be customized for different professions and devices.

Anyway, I dont want this to turn into an endless rant about Linux, however I am just trying to show that it will be the next big thing. The Chinese and Indians combined right now have a population of over two billion and a middle class of about 300 million. This is just two countries we are talking about here. If you don't think Linux is going to take over, youre dreaming. Apple may actually be in a better position in this new world if they play their cards right (and no OS X will not be good enough).
 
Compusa stock

Ok, doubt this means anything but I just went to the CompUSA site and did a search for dual 2Ghz G5s, I put in the only us zip code I know 90210 :) and it listed 5 stores:
Culver City Superstore
Culver City, CA 90230 *(310) 390-9993
8 Miles Out-Of-Stock

Burbank Superstore
Burbank, CA 91502-1024 *(818) 848-8588
9 Miles In-Stock

Woodland Hills Superstore
Woodland Hills, CA 91367 *(818) 999-9101
15 Miles Out-Of-Stock

Redondo Beach Superstore
Redondo Beach, CA 90278 *(310) 793-9955
16 Miles Out-Of-Stock

Monrovia Superstore
Monrovia, CA 91016-3103 *(626) 359-4567
30 Miles Limited Quantities

3 out of 5 stores - out of stock and 1 with limited stocks

Does this seem normal?

FYI Link:
http://www.compusa.com/products/availability.asp?product_code=305066&stores=1&pfp=BROWSE&zip=90210

Around Cupertino, similar story:
http://www.compusa.com/products/availability.asp?product_code=305066&stores=1&pfp=external&zip=95015
 
"Brilliant Savings" is nothing new...

I know it sounds odd, but this absolutely late-breaking news of that "brilliant savings"-promo is nothing new to Germans atleast (what a refreshing change, eh? ;-) - Apple has been giving out vouchers to save up tp 500 Euro on a G5/Display combo for quite some time here now!
 
nmk said:
I also believe that Linux will really take off in India. The Indians are in the process of becomming worldwide software giants. It is only a matter of time before they start churning out quality Linux distros.
Maybe, but from my anecdotal experiences with offshore developers and Indan's on work visas at my job (I've worked with 100's of Indian developers, who are/were based both here and overseas), as a rule, they all got their BS is Compuer Science in India and literaly 90 - 95% of them had gotten no exposure to anything outside of Windows in school. Those that have Unix skills either suplemented their education here or have been working for a few years already. It seems to especially be the case for those who are working for offshore consulting firms.

I'm not saying that in any kind of condescending way -- the guys/gals I have worked with, on the whole, are extremely inteligent, hard working and reliable employees.

(Then again, I've not been to a university in over 10 years - maybe nobody here is getting much Unix experience from the schools either :rolleyes: )
 
Kai said:
I know it sounds odd, but this absolutely late-breaking news of that "brilliant savings"-promo is nothing new to Germans atleast (what a refreshing change, eh? ;-) - Apple has been giving out vouchers to save up tp 500 Euro on a G5/Display combo for quite some time here now!


Are the vouchers for the entire powermac line? Cause I have a voucher as well from drivenbydesign in brussels, and it specifically mentions the current g5 models with a 20' or 23" CD

Klaus
 
It's 8:33AM EST, I am still waiting for those new PowerBooks or at least a substantial price drop on the current models. :mad:

C'Mon Apple give me a reason to spend some money.
 
Apple should never have dropped the original 15" CRT iMac from its product line, the best thing to do would have substantially reduced its price. Remember the sensation it caused when it was first introduced? Amongst the general public, all Apple is famous for now is a music player .

They need a cheap Mac to get people into the Mac platform. The lowend eMac currently sells for £649 in the UK but you get a 1Gz processor and 128 MB of RAM, ridiculous compared to the prices of current PCs. I think alot of people are really interested in the Mac but see it has expensive and relatively slow compared to the competition. At least give people the option of buying a computer thats cheap and slow rather than expensive and slow. :D
 
DHagan4755 said:
It's now 8:24 AM in the east, and usually the store would be down by now for updates.

Well sometimes it's not till 9am Pacific time...

I don't have my hopes up, but with IBM talking processors today, everybody low on stock, and people calling for the blood of those who are holding back updates, I think we'll see something soon.
 
All I want is a PowerBook and yet another week without one.

I think the 1.25 GHz will do me just fine for a 15 inch, however I would really not pay full price for a machine that was introduced in September. I want either some update or at least a price drop, I can get the edu discount but it still bugs me about paying that price for Septembers technology.
 
I have no recollection of the Apple Store ever being updated before 6AM PST, so no worries yet. And there's a good 3 hours left before we know that nothing's coming...
 
eric_n_dfw said:
Maybe, but from my anecdotal experiences with offshore developers and Indan's on work visas at my job (I've worked with 100's of Indian developers, who are/were based both here and overseas), as a rule, they all got their BS is Compuer Science in India and literaly 90 - 95% of them had gotten no exposure to anything outside of Windows in school. Those that have Unix skills either suplemented their education here or have been working for a few years already. It seems to especially be the case for those who are working for offshore consulting firms.

I agree. I think that India is where we were in the mid-to-late 90's - they are scrambling to fill software jobs with any warm body they can find. They will train those people in what they perceive to be to market, which is usually Windows, though I've worked with a fair number of Java developers there. However, although there are quite a few very good developers there, the vast majority are very, very fresh out of school. And they don't know Linux. To be honest, they don't know much of any language/platform. Academic courses don't prepare you all that much for the real world, and a lot of the "developers" I see being hired there barely have any experience at all.

Again, this isn't a slight. It was exactly the same here in the States 5 years ago.
 
I dreamed last night that updates came. They kept the current G5 line, but added a new line as well - the new line was smaller in size, kinda like the older towers, but where still like the new ones in terms of materials and power - the new line was also cheaper and had good price/performance ratio....
 
jsw said:
I have no recollection of the Apple Store ever being updated before 6AM PST, so no worries yet. And there's a good 3 hours left before we know that nothing's coming...

Yea I agree, the music store doesnt usually get updated until 9am PST
 
fudgebrown said:
I dreamed last night that updates came. They kept the current G5 line, but added a new line as well - the new line was smaller in size, kinda like the older towers, but where still like the new ones in terms of materials and power - the new line was also cheaper and had good price/performance ratio....

I think it'll remain a dream..sorry to burst your bubble ;)
 
jsw said:
I have no recollection of the Apple Store ever being updated before 6AM PST, so no worries yet. And there's a good 3 hours left before we know that nothing's coming...

When they update (at least in the past 2-3 years) the Apple Store goes down between 7:30am and 8am eastern, and is back up an hour to an hour and a half later (e.g. around 9am eastern).
 
Everyday for the past couple of weeks, they have loaded up the special deals section with G5s. Today is the first time there is not a single G5 in the special deals section...
 
wishful thinking

i just put in an order for (3) 1.6Ghz G5s for myself & a couple others here at work. i was HOPING the 1.6's would be phased out by the time the order went through & they would bump it to whatever the new low end is going to be soon.

i'm thinking that's probably wishful thinking, but hey, this company doesn't exaclty move quickly so by the time the order is processed, Apple may have the 3Ghz's out...

btw, you guys wouldn't be-LIEVE the hoops i had to jump through to order a Mac in a PC-based company this size...jeeezus...

i felt like i was in Brazil (movie, not the country)
Excuse me, can you tell me how to go about ordering a PowerMac?

I'm afraid I can't sir. You have to go through the proper channels.

And you can't tell me what the proper channels are, because that's classified information? I'm glad to see Procurement is continuing its tradition of recruiting the brightest and best.

Thank you, sir.
 
centauratlas said:
When they update (at least in the past 2-3 years) the Apple Store goes down between 7:30am and 8am eastern, and is back up an hour to an hour and a half later (e.g. around 9am eastern).

It is usually that time to coincide with the Press Release announcing the new products. Unless it is related to an event (Macworld, etc), the press releases are generally earlier in the morning to get more press notice/coverage. A 12:00 noon EST time release is too late, unless connected to some event. I checked the PR Newswire site, most of their other non-event press releases have been at 8:30 ish EST.

So no updates today me thinks
:(

Cheers,
hughdogg
 
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