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hughdogg said:
It is usually that time to coincide with the Press Release announcing the new products. Unless it is related to an event (Macworld, etc), the press releases are generally earlier in the morning to get more press notice/coverage. A 12:00 noon EST time release is too late, unless connected to some event. I checked the PR Newswire site, most of their other non-event press releases have been at 8:30 ish EST.

So no updates today me thinks
:(

Cheers,
hughdogg

Nothing, nada, zilch. But if the IBM special PowerPC event has anything to do with Apple, it would be normal to have the updates AFTER it, me also thinks...
 
so, uh yeah . . .

we all know nothing

can we bet on events like when are products are going to be released/updated? I could use some money. However, I woulda lost quite a bit by now considering the current schedule.
 
Too bad, Apple really sucks at one thing...updating their products in a regular basis. This has cost Apple a lot of switchers. I know that they probably have a whole warehouse full of new products, but why cant they just releases the ASAP?
 
Less viable for consumers? But the Mac's now more compatible with the rest of the computing world than it's ever been :)

I'd love for someone with a greater knowledge than I to correct me, but from what I know, I don't think it's possible to do what the Mac does using existing technologies. At the very least, you're talking about significant changes to how the current toolkits do things.

As I mentioned, the GUI is wholly dependent on the capabilities of the technology it's built on. Why re-write what the Mac's already got? Also as I said before, even if Apple did take the time and effort to get Linux toolkits to provide similar services as Carbon and Cocoa, you've still got to re-write all those existing Linux programs to take advantage of these new services. Witness the friction between the KDE and GNOME camps. Massive duplication of effort, interoperability problems (why does my GTK+ app behave funny in KDE?, etc). This is great for the OSS style of gradual evolution, but absolute madness for a company to jump into and say: "Hey! We've got this cool system, now everyone re-write their apps for it!"

You could end up with a Linux system that superficially resembles OS X, but the 'linux technology' to do what the Mac does doesn't exist. And if Apple wrote it, there's no guarantee anyone else would use it. OS X is much more than a pretty interface -- it's the result of a phenomenal amount of development since 1988. Yep -- that's how old the concepts that drive OS X are.

If they can make the first consumer friendly Linux distro, thats big business we're talking about there.

Functionality-wise, and for desktop use, what does Linux offer that OS X cannot provide? Of course, I paid a heap of cash for my Mac -- just like I have on my PCs. But until Linux offers exactly the workflow and user interaction that Mac OS X does for free, then I still feel it's money well spent :)

I agree that it is currently as easy as it has ever been to port apps from Linux to OS X. However, once Apples market share has dropped below a certain critical point (say 1%), software companies wont bother porting regadless of the ease.

Firstly, commercial apps for OS X make quite a bit of cash -- high-margin products like Adobe CS products for instance. Remember also that broad market share figures don't mean a thing regrading software sales. Sure, the PC market is massivley greater than the Mac. But only a small percentage of PC users would shell out the money for the full Adobe Creative Suite. However, I'd imagine quite a significant proportion of Mac users do.

Also, every example I gave of software that has been ported to the Mac was open source, and performed by individuals or organisations, or just plain talented Mac users. Porting from Linux to OS X isn't just 'easy as it's ever been', but will soon become trivial. Core Linux (or should I say, *nix-world) technologies are here right now on the Mac as I listed earlier -- X11, Qt, Tcl, GTK+, perl, the list goes on). Visit Fink and you'll find 3527 GNU/Linux / OSS / *nix packages for Mac OS X. They even install using the Debian Linux 'apt' system. I'm not 100% on this, but with these components in place, UNIX developers may even end up with OS X compatibility 'for free'.

Additionally, once Linux is mainstream not all the software will be free.
I love Linux, but that's quite a jump to make ;) But heading down the hypothetical brick road...

Currently most software for linux is also opensourse. So any developer with the inclination to do so could port a Linux app (eg. Openoffice) to the Mac without too many problems. However, when large companies like Adobe and Macromedia get into the act they will have to decide whether to support the Mac or not. In many cases the will decided not too.

Macromedia and Adobe already support the Mac, but in this future where Linux is mainstream and commercially exploitable on the desktop, it's equally suggestable that OS X's unix layer was mature enough that Macromedia and Adobe would get OS X compatibility for almost zero outlay. Remember that Market Share != User Base. There's still tens of millions of people with Macs on their desktops right now.

However, if Macs are running a custom version of Linux (custom to the extent that the interface has been customised using standard Linux technologies) any Linux compatible software will work on the Mac. This will make it a viable platform for anyone looking for a Linux machine (there will be a lot of these guys in the future).

It's already a viable platform for anyone looking for a Linux machine ;) Ok, that's a little flippant. But in some ways it's true. I'll also say again that the Mac interface could not be implemented in Linux using what they've already got. Remember: Linux is a *kernel*, not an operating system. The rest of what makes up a Linux distribution is pretty much runnable on a Mac right now.

I would also like to comment on the posts saying that profitability is important, not market share. I hope you realize that the two are completely linked. The only way that tha Mac can stay profitable is if there is a decent selection of software for it. Very few people will shell out $3000 for a machine so that they can run OS X, iApps, and a handfull of Apple pro applications.

Agreed. And I see no sign of OS X software drying up. The Mac software scene is more vital now than it was when I switched, and shows no sign of slowing (beyond Adobe culling a few apps that couldn't compete with other apps on the Mac ... Premiere vs. Final Cut Pro for example. I wholly believe the only reason Premiere's available on Windows is that Final Cut Pro *isn't* available on Windows! If it was, it'd wipe out Premiere just as it's done on the Mac).

The Mac is much, much more than the iApps. But they're very nice to have as well :)

It was recently announced (by some rather credible surveys) that Linux now has a larger installed userbase worldwide than the Mac. So if you dont think its starting to become a viable platform, you better re evaluate your position on the Mac as well.

To use a bit of an anecdote here: Apple is also the highest selling (by unit volume) commercial UNIX vendor. They sell a few hundred thousand UNIX systems a quarter.

The primary impitus for Linux right now is comming from Governments and Companies. Governments, particularly non US, are very weary of being dependant on an American company. There is a major issue of trust involved here. The Chinese, in particular, have adopted Linux as the standard OS for their government and are pushing it very aggressively in the general population (and you know how aggressive the Chinese government can be).

Partially true, I feel. More likely, is governments like the price tag and the licencing. Linux (well, many unixes) make excellent learning tools. Unix and Free/Open Source apps also give the kind of education that Windows cannot. It shows you how things work rather than which boxes to click. But explain to me how China adopting Linux for nationalist reasons will affect Apple? Is this massive Chinese Linux userbase going to go out and buy Macromedia Dreamworks, thus causing Macromedia to abandon the Mac for Linux? Or (more likely) are Chinese developers going to be contributing to apps such as the Gimp, which runs just fine on OS X.

I also believe that Linux will really take off in India. The Indians are in the process of becomming worldwide software giants. It is only a matter of time before they start churning out quality Linux distros.

Excellent! The more people working on good Unix software the better! It'll run great on our Macs.

One of the advangages Linux has is that it is completely customizable. Particularly in non western countries, using Windows or Mac OS can be a hassle due to language barrier. With Linux however, the distro can be customized to meet the regional needs of any particular country. It can even be customized for different professions and devices.

The Mac has (for the most part, albeit with a few annoying exceptions) very good internationalisation. The interface doesn't seem to support every language, but the input methods and fonts are a dream to use. Building compound characters with common-sense keystrokes is pretty neat, although I've not used this frequently enough to comment further first-hand.

Also, absolutely anyone can internationalise any Cocoa application. Just open up the app's .nib file in Interface Builder and hack away. Plently of people have released language packs for existing apps that Apple didn't wholly internationalise.

Oh, and Linux apps (at least those running within X) will preserve their own internationalisation within OS X, I believe.

Anyway, I dont want this to turn into an endless rant about Linux, however I am just trying to show that it will be the next big thing. The Chinese and Indians combined right now have a population of over two billion and a middle class of about 300 million. This is just two countries we are talking about here. If you don't think Linux is going to take over, youre dreaming. Apple may actually be in a better position in this new world if they play their cards right (and no OS X will not be good enough).

I still fail to see how OS X isn't 'good enough'. If I cared about what the majority of other users were using, I wouldn't be using a Mac ;) Apple are embracing the *nix world with OS X. It's a nice thought that not only is every new Mac running open-source code, but that Apple have also provided code for things like the Konqueror browser, in every distribution of KDE.
 
applemacdude said:
Too bad, Apple really sucks at one thing...updating their products in a regular basis. This has cost Apple a lot of switchers. I know that they probably have a whole warehouse full of new products, but why cant they just releases the ASAP?

Hahaha. Warehouse full of products? Don't forget this is the company that announces products and ships them months later. If anything it's a sign that Apple isn't gonna jump the gun and actually announce products that they actually have.

Not like the Xserve G5 that they announced and didn't even finish designing the product!
 
AJPME said:
I was a mac fanatic until I got screwed by Apple in their 1710AV fiasco, so I switched over to Windows NT in '97. I switched back to Apple a few months ago for FCP, and I love the minamalistic interface of Safari and the user experience of OS X - it's great to finally have a stable mac os. Don't get me wrong, I think the G5s are a spectacularly designed chip and computer. However, Apple needs to play on the same playing field as PCs when it comes to hardware. If I could run OS X on a dual AMD 64 running on a nForce3 250 and upgrade components as I please, I and many others would be much happier and Apple would quickly increase it's installed user base and marketshare. I'm sick of BS "deals" like the RAM discount. And I don't want to hear anymore of the lame argument that proprietary hardware allows Apple to have more stability - just look at their screwed up proprietary power supplies in dual g5s that prevent audio professionals from even having the CHOICE to have an adequate replacement. This is 2004, we're running a Unix variant, and the PC components are plenty standardized. I'm not neccessarily asking for support for dated hardware like an AccelEclipse, but at least let me choose from the full line of future ATI and NVIDIA cards. I really, really do love OS X, but I've left Apple before when they screwed me over and I'll do it again if I feel that they're jerking me around too much. I don't care about iPods, I'm a professional who needs great tools like FCP and DVDSP, but Apple, please remember there are other tools like Avid out there.

that will never happen due to the differences between x86 and ppc x86 sucks the only reason apple can compete on speed with a 2% market share is because ppc chips are faster cheaper more stable than an x86 chip
 
The apple front page has just changed a bit. They are still featuing the PowerMac but now they are showing two quotes at a time. Slightly different then before. So I clicked through to see if they had made any changes to the PowerMac. In the intro blurb they now say that the PowerMac is available in 1.8 and 2.0 ghz configurations. What happened to 1.6? It's still in the store but maybe the store hasn't been updated yet.

Does this mean they are getting rid of the single processor model? I think that would be great. Streamline all the models to have the same motherboard and same basic features. Will probably help drive costs down on the higher end machines.

[edit]
my bad, the line before the 1.8 and 2.0 part was talking just about the dual processor G5s... and further down the page there is still a reference to the 1.6
:(
 
applemacdude said:
Too bad, Apple really sucks at one thing...updating their products in a regular basis. This has cost Apple a lot of switchers. I know that they probably have a whole warehouse full of new products, but why cant they just releases the ASAP?

Sure :rolleyes: the products are all sitting there in the warehouse, waiting to be delayed for shipping! :p
 
Bendit said:
The apple front page has just changed a bit. They are still featuing the PowerMac but now they are showing two quotes at a time. Slightly different then before. So I clicked through to see if they had made any changes to the PowerMac. In the intro blurb they now say that the PowerMac is available in 1.8 and 2.0 ghz configurations. What happened to 1.6? It's still in the store but maybe the store hasn't been updated yet.

Does this mean they are getting rid of the single processor model? I think that would be great. Streamline all the models to have the same motherboard and same basic features. Will probably help drive costs down on the higher end machines.

They state that the powermac is available in those DUAL configurations.. 1.6 is a single configuration... and those quotes, I think it was like that before too..

Updates will come when they come, i'm tired of waiting, i really am, it's not good for your health, work or social life. Take some distance from it, and when updates arrive, you'll know, maybe not as fast as when you refresh the apple store constantly, but is that going to make a difference? No, don't think so.
 
whew!! I got tired just reading that. You know what. I really hope you're right. :)
 
Once again we are allowing our hopes to be dashed if we believe this little bit of speculation. Without more data as to why the PowerMacs have been delayed all we do is come up with reasons to justify our expectations.

I say lets wait until WWDC get some kickass systems that everyone will be blown away with. :)
 
Apple Store Oddness?

Is anyone else having problems displaying the graphics in the Apple Store?

I'm showing nearly complete pages of red-x's (yes, i'm stuck on a work PC laptop today) even after clearing my cache...
 
MattrixMSP said:
Apple Store Oddness?

Is anyone else having problems displaying the graphics in the Apple Store?

I'm showing nearly complete pages of red-x's (yes, i'm stuck on a work PC laptop today) even after clearing my cache...

works fine for me...
 
nmk said:
whew!! I got tired just reading that. You know what. I really hope you're right. :)

Yeah, sorry :)

I'm an optimist! I reckon it comes from having used computers (PCs, Ataris, Amigas, not Macs, alas) before the Windows hegemony. Windows as it is today is not how the computing world should've ended up. My switch to the Mac and my continuing use of Linux has been something of an epiphany. Neither the Mac nor Linux are perfect, but at least they're striving for something better. They're fresh and exciting, whilst Windows feels stagnant.

Big companies are realising that interoperability is going to be the next big thing. Linux itself is a fantastic example of something designed to be open. Although Apple are coming from a 'proprietary' angle, they're still trying to empower their users -- open file formats, open-source kernel and OS layer, and great support for standards.

But...

Where are those blimmin' new G5s?

*grin* yeah, like I'll be able to afford one any time soon :)
 
Bendit said:
Hahaha. Warehouse full of products? Don't forget this is the company that announces products and ships them months later. If anything it's a sign that Apple isn't gonna jump the gun and actually announce products that they actually have.

Not like the Xserve G5 that they announced and didn't even finish designing the product!

Actually, when Apple releases "minor" updates (like this powermac update will be if it comes) they usually start shpping immediately
 
Lets face it peeps why would they start selling new powermacs on the last 2 days of there fiscal quarter . If there announced at all it will be sometime in april :(
 
mvc said:
It would be sad though, as it would probably mean the end of their exceptional computers (see posts above for Amiga comparisons).
They don't have to get rid of hardware. Look at xserve. It's considered a great buy. Plus, people will still jump on the PowerBook, iBook , eMac, and iMac. The iMac has a great form factor, just not testes. It's much easier to try a new OS by installing software then to buy a whole new machine. Run two or three OS's on the same hardware. Upgrades wont be so deadly either.
 
The whole line of Macs is stale

Every Mac product is currently stale; they all need updating. Even Windows users and other people who obviously don't read Mac websites are asking me how old the various Mac models are. I can see the wheels turning in their heads when I tell them the most recent update was last September (or whatever month it really was). The only product I can sell in volume right now is the iBook. Everything else looks either overpriced or overdue for an update.
 
pgwalsh said:
The iMac has a great form factor, just not testes.

My iMac has testes?

Blimey.

Were they new in 10.3.3, 'cos they weren't there before!

:D

Maybe that's why the updated G5's aren't here. Trouble integrating the testes with the new FX processor... Quite a challenge apparently.
 
displaced said:
My iMac has testes?

Blimey.

Were they new in 10.3.3, 'cos they weren't there before!

:D

Maybe that's why the updated G5's aren't here. Trouble integrating the testes with the new FX processor... Quite a challenge apparently.

That is the funniest thing I've heard in a few weeks...thanks for making my day. :)
 
It's a tuesday, but I have a feeling there will be no news from apple today. IBM does have a PowerPC conference tomorrow (mar 31) in New York. Do you think there will be a co-announcement; it is a la apple style, special media event by invitation only.
 
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