Yeah, because Tim Cook et al sit on the Electoral College… (seriously, what even is this analogy?
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Apple Procurement VP Departs Company After Vulgar TikTok Comment
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Exactly, he can be hired anywhere else, no problem for him- and get a raise.
Especially if he goes outside US - in Sweden we would've laughed with him in his jokes. Even women!
But he might got a reply that he need to workout more before that will happen 😂
We are more liberated here. In my many travels to and within US I've been chocked at that mentality in people. Obviously nothing have happened on that regard in US.
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Careful now.. the far left is just about ready to call you a sexist misogynist after that post of yours.. either abide by their code of conduct and their opinions and sensitivities or get ready to be served some proper white knight prejudice.
If a person is of the same attitude as the author of the Bloomberg article then yes it's a crime because that author did not think it was funny hence he wrote what he wrote.
Those cheering the firing ought to remember words of Martin Niemöller
shame on Cook for throwing him under the bus for a silly movie joke whether you like it or not…it’s not that the guy can retire 5 times over, it shows Tim spinelessness in bowing to his woke gods and not defending people who work for him
can’t wait for TC to retire
shame on Cook for throwing him under the bus for a silly movie joke whether you like it or not…it’s not that the guy can retire 5 times over, it shows Tim spinelessness in bowing to his woke gods and not defending people who work for him
can’t wait for TC to retire
Everyone in this forum is a Joe Schmoe; we all work for the man or ourselves (I mean this without any disrespect) We probably get interviewed on the streets and say something like that, and the rest of the world either thinks we are funny or we are ignorant baboons.
But this person works (well worked) for a company that is in the center of everyone's visibility, and has been promoting equality, and something like this goes against the values they have. When have you seen Eddie Cue for example caught in something like this, for all we know, he might even joke about it in private, but certainly not on Tik Tok.
So IMHO regardless everyone here thinks Apple (or any other company) would go overboard by firing this guy it was pretty stupid of him to make a comment like that and think it would pass under the table. Apple probably thought, "Is this guy indispensable to us, or replaceable?" and there you have your answer. If he had been indispensable, he would have done an apology, gotten sent to sex rehab or something, and on we go... but he didn't and that is that.
Anyways good riddance.
But this person works (well worked) for a company that is in the center of everyone's visibility, and has been promoting equality, and something like this goes against the values they have. When have you seen Eddie Cue for example caught in something like this, for all we know, he might even joke about it in private, but certainly not on Tik Tok.
So IMHO regardless everyone here thinks Apple (or any other company) would go overboard by firing this guy it was pretty stupid of him to make a comment like that and think it would pass under the table. Apple probably thought, "Is this guy indispensable to us, or replaceable?" and there you have your answer. If he had been indispensable, he would have done an apology, gotten sent to sex rehab or something, and on we go... but he didn't and that is that.
Anyways good riddance.
Never give in to the mob. They will never be happy or satisfied.
😂 No, no they don't. Having someone like that would be a breath of fresh air in any meeting room. I'd trust this person over any fake puritan any day of the week.
Comedy is dead.
Not to mention the business they do with dictatorships and countries that wish him dead.
I suggest you read up on Steve Jobs and the things he said.
My team and I do it all the time. We have a sense of humor and trust each other.
Ya, because these people are so above stuff like that. 🙄
The youth of today would be fine with it.
We all know Tim's sexual preferences and everyone is cool with it. Why is it different to know the VP of procurement's preferences?
This is his personal life. What is wrong with the world??? He should be allowed to say anything. Freedom of speech is non existent in America. This is CANCER TO AMERICA.
Perhaps it might have been hilarious to barely 50% of the population several generations ago… certainly there is no way most women would happily hear the phrase "and fondle big-breasted women" and laugh with delight. How could they? It objectifies women.
These days, and the future we're heading towards, society is rapidly evolving beyond celebrating toxic masculinity and misogynism, and fewer and fewer people would be amused by jokes of this nature. Lot's of people say "…but it's quoting a movie! It's a joke!" But we need to think deeper… It's foolish to grant people immunity to quote any movie passage (in jest or otherwise). For example, quotes that may not have been rejected by society in the era of older movies may actually face fierce opposition if the same (or similar) quotes are used in modern movies. As is the case here.
Basically, I think far fewer people find the comment hilarious these days. I certainly wasn't amused in the slightest.
Agreed. I think the world is growing tired of this sleazy language, and has lost the patience to "laugh it off". We want better. We need better role models.
I've noticed this way of talking usually reveals itself when there are no women around, or when alcohol is involved… perhaps wealth and arrogance also makes people more nonchalant to reveal their true nature too… I completely agree with you that it's a symptom of something, and I think it's the toxic masculinity taught to us by society or our older generations.
I remember hearing older men make sexual jokes about women throughout my childhood, usually in pubs/bars/outdoor BBQs and even family Christmas parties… anytime alcohol was involved, men would freely objectify women. Then, throughout high-school, the boys also described using women in a similar way, always appreciating their existence as a means to pleasure men somehow. It was taught to my generation (and for reference, I was born in the early 1990s).
I always felt uncomfortable hearing "hilarious comments" or jokes like this, because it objectified women (who were my teachers, friends, siblings, mother, family, the people who raised me and were generally the only good role-models in my life) and degrades women down to their sexual prospects for the service of men, demoting their status to inferiors beneath men. It also made me feel uncomfortable because of the implications of what society expects from me: "Success is having women to play with, excessive wealth and excessive leisure time. Being a man means having an interest in cars, sports and women."
I'm gay, so this gross ideology being pushed on me was much easier for me to see through and reject compared to the other boys and men I grew up with. I'm so glad that the world is actually changing quickly to recognise this garbage pattern of behaviour—toxic masculinity—and pacing towards rejecting it. I never thought I'd witness the world change in this way, and I'm so happy and excited for the current and future generations.
That is telling. I really pity the people who had to endure him and this kind of language. Hopefully companies will include internal misogynism/toxic masculinity seminars to the high-ups in companies... since weeding this behaviour out really needs to start from the top-down.
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The youth of today would not be fine with it.
And Tim's sexual identity is irrelevant to Tony Blevins' sexual identity.
When asked the question "What do you do for a living?", the expected answer relates to your career. Tony Blevins didn't need to reply with his outside-of-work sexual practices, unless his job is as a sex-worker. He's not a sex-worker, he's a Vice President of Procurement. Movie-quote or not, Tim Cook being gay is not comparable or relevant to this discussion.
He drew bad publicity to the company he worked for, fine. Firing him was the only solution? Apple couldn't reprimand him and/or make a statement to condemn it and move on? If anything, I think Apple's VENDORS wanted him out more than apple!
A guy makes a mistake and his whole career ends? Wow. Just say, “I’m sorry,” take your punishment, learn to keep your mouth shut and move on. No need to make an example out of him for a silly mistake.
The analogy (if it isn't already crystal clear after 4 years of examples) is that POTUS 45 (being the highest "management" position in the world) was/is rude and crude every day, in his tweets, rallys, etc., yet he is the POTUS. Blevins makes an off-color joke about himself and gets fired. See the analogy? The comparison basically came up when someone suggested that "management" lives by a different standard (whatever standard that is), and that POTUS 45 seems to get away with violations of such a standard on a daily basis.Yeah, because Tim Cook et al sit on the Electoral College… (seriously, what even is this analogy?
I’m quite equivocative when it comes to arguments around this subject, so I find it difficult to support either side’s position wholeheartedly.
However this is one line of argument that imho fails on its face, and prompted a response even though I didn’t read all 23 pages of comments.
Yes we do know that Tim Cook is gay. However, Tim Cook has never said “I gobbled down 30 d**** last weekend” or “Hunky men are lined up outside my door waiting for the next iPhone”. He hasn’t publicly performed Gay and Eurpoean from Legally Blonde The Musical. Do you know if he’s a top or bottom? Or a side? Or has kinks? Or loves huge iPhone bulges?
Gay people in anywhere but the most blue of blue states still aren’t on par with the level of sexual innuendo and out-ness that permeates our society for heterosexuals. We can’t afford to be crass lest we give the people who want to chop off our heads ammunition to do so.
The new movie “Bros” actually has a decent joke about this exact thing in one of the trailers. Someone says “bottom” and this straight family starts doing this mocking “bottom dance” (whatever the hell that’s supposed to mean) to which Billy’s character says “gay sex was more fun when straight people were uncomfortable with it”. The humor lies in the fact that indeed we have made some progress and as gay people we have to deal with the normal shame straight people felt, like when your grandma asked middle school you if you were beating girls away with a stick at school, or you were badgered by your mother about who you were taking to prom.
The “sexual” expression you seem from gay people is only recently being released from exclusively gay places, and even then it’s fraught with danger. In business, in religion, at the supermarket, in government almost all of us still hide the vast majority of ourselves just to survive. Just as one small example, anecdotally, I get asked how my weekend was at work. Instead of being able to say “oh I went on a date” to any number of my straight religious coworkers, and whatever subsequent conversation that entails, for their comfort and my safety I’m pushed to alter what and how much I tell them. Or being in a work meeting with a group of guys, being presented a product by a female presenter, and having to endure talk about her breast size once she walks out of the room from everyone else there.
Like David Foster Wallace’s essay, we’re all fish in heteronormative water. Without being in even the slightest way queer, you don’t quite get the pervasive ubiquity of how the heteronormative expectation is built into everything, comedy and movie references included.
If anyone would like to read one other take on the topic I’ll share this link:
Now, there’s plenty to be said about what he said, why he said it, and what if anything should be done about it [id say this was way too harsh given the reference material, not a reference I would get, but a misunderstood attempt at humor nonetheless]. Feel free to have that discussion, I encourage it.
But don’t for a second think that because “we all know Tim’s sexual preference” (and even that I’d challenge with “do you?”; feel free to post any link to any article he talks about his sex life explicitly or even implicitly, I’m phone posting but I doubt there’s much if anything to link) it’s the same as some dude jokingly talking about spending his days fondling breasts.
You have plenty of arguments to make about comedy, humor and free speech. Make sure you’re making well reasoned one and well supported one.
"The world's richest and most lovable drunk risks everything when he falls in love with an irascible waitress in the hilarious comedy starring Dudley Moore and Liza Minnelli."
5 stars on Amazon (almost 5000 reviews).
I remember liking it back in the day.
I thought you were joking, but it really did garnered almost 5 stars! Judging from the tagline, it sounded like a dull movie about a rich guy falling in love. At least in Easy Money, there was suspense whether he could do it or not!"The world's richest and most lovable drunk risks everything when he falls in love with an irascible waitress in the hilarious comedy starring Dudley Moore and Liza Minnelli."
5 stars on Amazon (almost 5000 reviews).
I remember liking it back in the day.
Was he charged with a crime?
Your guarantee to freedom of speech means that the government won't persecute you for what you say.
Nobody has prevented him from saying anything he wants to, Apple has just prevented him from working for them, which is also their right.
Actions have consequences, they always have, and they always will. Not understanding that is the only cancer.
My wife thought it was funny. I won't say what else she said.
I AM A GAY MAN. And I don't appreciate you comparing this to lewd gestures at drag bars, or kink-wear at Pride parades. It's different context. It's not misogynistic.
Also, and this is important, Tony Blevins (the vice president of procurement) was asked what his job was. His job is not a sex-worker, so it's odd that he should answer that Apple pays him to fondle women's breasts. I doubt a gay person who works at Apple would answer in the same way (especially on camera): "What's your job?" "Oh, I have rich cars and fondle well endowed men." The answer doesn't even fit the question, semantically.
And by the way, just to learn a bit of history about our own gay culture and why wearing kink at pride is acceptable, please watch this video. You don't have to agree, but you should notice that your comparison was disrespectful to our community, in addition to being irrelevant: