Apple Procurement VP Departs Company After Vulgar TikTok Comment

[inkswamp]

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2. Being an arrogant jackass is not grounds for termination. Have you paid attention to business news lately?

3. Sorry if 4 points constitutes too "much" for you.

Regardless, you're overthinking a very simple matter. And no, being an arrogant jackass isn't ground for termination unless that trait leads you to make comments that reflect poorly on the company you work for.

This isn't an uncommon thing. I worked for a newspaper once and all employees (from pressroom to editorial staff) had to sign an agreement that any behavior outside of work that risked reflecting badly on the paper or damaging its image or credibility would be grounds for dismissal. I saw several people let go for that for things you wouldn't think would matter. One guy was fired because of a domestic dispute where the cops were called to his home. One guy for a DUI.

You think Apple wouldn't have those same standards for their employees and execs?

 

[yaxomoxay]

Oh I'm absolutely aware that they're incorrectly using and understanding the concept of free speech.

Regardless of whether or not one chooses to, or simply misunderstands the concept, actions have always had consequences and they always will.

Here's a simple example for anyone not getting it. Try walking up to a dude on the street, and call him the most vulgar thing you can think of. You're free to say it, but you might just get punched in the face for it. And if you do, that person might go to jail.

Actions. Have. Consequences.

No, it’s not a wrong understanding. You’re playing dumb and your own example shows it.

The context here is specifically that of interpersonal relations, not laws. The fact that the law doesn’t protect from consequences (which by the way isn’t totally true), doesn’t invalidate any concern in the context we’re talking about here. So, yes in your example I do have a serious concern and objection on being punched because I insult someone. Of course, insulting someone isn’t the wisest thing to do, but the consequence you describe is specifically an example of why we’re not just talking about laws (which by the way would put the puncher in jail).

Yours is also an awful example of the “she was dressed wrong” kind.

 

[beerseagulls]

but somehow Tim Cook and the rest of Apple's "top" executives are okay with being in bed and doing business with the Chinese communist regime who violate the human rights of its own people?

 

[Valkyre]

It's very easy to point the finger and say "Cite that or it's not true"... but if you think about what I've said and pay attention to the writing prose of all the replies to this topic, it's overwhelmingly obvious that almost all the people who replied are men. You can choose to not believe it in the absence of citations, but it's really quite obvious.

I'm sure you're right that many people have second-hand Apple products... but absolutely many more have second-hand PC products, or Androids... and this is probably related to a socioeconomic standing (a form of privilege). The fact that you didn't mention this is telling that my speculation is probably true: Some people on here are naive to the suffering of the less privileged.

As for the fact that there are women (and men) who 100% disagree with this joke being offensive, sure, I don't doubt that. But do you really think most women will endorse the joke? Especially given the context of society that women have faced misogynistic chauvinistic treatment and inequality for centuries, do you really think this joke is well received by most of the population? You seem to like citations, and I'm not providing any, so perhaps you'll completely disagree with my speculations...

I guarantee you that most women wont be offended by such a joke, even if it isnt a good one, because the vast majority women have a thing called sense of humor and another thing called common sense. These days the far left gives the impression that some days of the year, even daylight offends it…

 

[AdonisSMU]

A symptom of what can happen when someone gets too rich.

They make jokes? They have rappers using the Apple Music platform who say and do far worse things.

 

[A MacBook lover]

They make jokes? They have rappers using the Apple Music platform who say and do far worse things.

Lmaoo! Pepe the frog is banned from App Store because it’s ‘hateful’, but allows rap music.

Apple’s mind is ****ing warped

 

[AdonisSMU]

These statistics don't support your argument, for at least a couple of reasons:

1. For some reason, there's an extraordinarily small user-base of women and non-binary people on the MacRumors forums. i.e. Almost all of the 204 reactions in the post you're quoting are cis-men.
2. Women account for 50% of the population in real life, beyond the community of MacRumors.
3. Since Apple products are almost inherently premium products, most people here would be part of a privileged lifestyle, perhaps less aware of the inequalities other people face.

Since the comment is derogatory to women, you could almost assume that the 164 likes from men would have an equal and opposite 164 dislikes from women on the same post, if that many women were actively following this forum thread.

Personally, those statistics you have displayed sadden me that the majority of men on these forums don't reject the objectification of women, and would rather joke about them than thwart their oppression.

EDIT: This post was challenged for the sources of the claims, and the sources were provided here.

Oh god stop moralizing. Its gross and offensive. Democrats cant help themselves. What happened to democrats who used to have fun and werent so easily offended. Im objectified all the time by women which is worse than what this guy did since its targeted at one specific person and they actually grab all over me. Who are we kidding the guy is probably just to rich to care anymore? Now we’ll see this guy run for office as a Republican and win and push all kinds of actually awful policies that are harmful to women all because Democrats couldn’t take a f-n joke. I’m so over the no fun left. Everything the left does lately ends up hurting.

 

[AdonisSMU]

Rightly shown the door. If he wants to talk like that in the privacy of his own home then that is his right. However he’s an Apple exec and talking like this in public brings the company into bad repute. I admire Apple for being decisive with stuff like this.

Here in the UK our Government staggers from one appaling sleaze scandal to the next yet no heads roll. The up shot? Corruption is now endemic. I’m glad to see a company I admire standing by its principles and kicking this goon into the long grass.

After seeing who ya’ll just selected to represent your country ya’ll and what they stand for its probably best not to get up on that high horse.

There is nothing corrupt about using a movie reference.

 

[AdonisSMU]

I love how he could barely get up and out of the car. What a douche.

So now the left is fat shaming.… you cant make it up. 🤡

Turns out the left cant even live up to their standards.

 

[AdonisSMU]

It has nothing to do with quoting a movie. I love quoting movies and joking around as much as the next person.

But whether I’m the face of a trillion dollar company, or just representing them as an employee, I’m not gonna blurt out quotes into a camera, about fondling women and being a big shot, especially when I don’t know where the content is gonna end up.

This World is too PC, I completely agree. But he slipped up and looked like a d-bag doing so. Knowing that you have to watch your every word and move nowadays, he should’ve known better.

You had never even heard of this guy until a few days ago. He is not the ”face” of Apple. 🤣

 

[AdonisSMU]

Wait who?

Dr Dre

 

[ian87w]

Cancel culture much….

It was a (bad) joke, but imagine all the dumb stuff that you might have said in an effort to be funny, and then your “think differently” company fires you for not being a lemming

Yes... but the new Apple themselves pander and virtue signaling to these woke culture.

Imo internally Apple's PR team is kinda sucked lately (from the CSAM scandal, the stage manager fiasco, etc). Apple used to be the company with super tight PR and marketing, and it was reflected in many of its executives. They really need an internal training for these executives to provide better responses in refusing these brand new social media influencers.

It's not about forcing your people to be a lemming, but educating them to be smart enough not to give unnecessary responses to these strangers. Let’s face reality, we live in a different world now. These influencers are only interested in themselves, and will ensure the fall of others just so they can get the views. If you were an executive of a publicly traded company, you have to be smart enough in not wasting your precious seconds to these people.

 

[AdonisSMU]

Get woke and go broke.

He’s not going broke. Apple will have to pay him millions to leave.

 

[ian87w]

but somehow Tim Cook and the rest of Apple's "top" executives are okay with being in bed and doing business with the Chinese communist regime who violate the human rights of its own people?

Anything is okay to be green (as in dollar).

 

[AdonisSMU]

Yes... but the new Apple themselves pander and virtue signaling to these woke culture.

Imo internally Apple's PR team is kinda sucked lately (from the CSAM scandal, the stage manager fiasco, etc). Apple used to be the company with super tight PR and marketing, and it was reflected in many of its executives. They really need an internal training for these executives to provide better responses in refusing these brand new social media influencers.

It's not about forcing your people to be a lemming, but educating them to be smart enough not to give unnecessary responses to these strangers. Let’s face reality, we live in a different world now. These influencers are only interested in themselves, and will ensure the fall of others just so they can get the views. If you were an executive of a publicly traded company, you have to be smart enough in not wasting your precious seconds to these people.

That doesn’t solve the problem of cancel culture. People are going to be people and to expect anything different is ridiculous and unfair. This is why a significant portion of democrats could be up for grabs in the up and coming elections.

When you dont actually materially help people all youre left with is nit picking peoples words and treating them as less than human because they said something that “could” be offensive to some even though it was intended as a joke.

 

[ian87w]

That doesn’t solve the problem of cancel culture. People are going to be people and to expect anything different is ridiculous and unfair.

It will save the company from having a bad PR. These woke vultures will simply go and find other victims.

I mean seriously. Let’s say you were somewhere minding your own business, and a random TikToker then asked you questions on camera. If I were making as much money as him, I wouldn’t even bother wasting my precious seconds responding. Just politely refuse and leave.

 

[AdonisSMU]

It will save the company from having a bad PR. These woke vultures will simply go and find other victims.

I mean seriously. Let’s say you were somewhere minding your own business, and a random TikToker then asked you questions on camera. If I were making as much money as him, I wouldn’t even bother wasting my precious seconds responding. Just politely refuse and leave.

But then you get cast on TikTok as an uppity rich guy who doesnt talk to common folk. There is no winning with the left. You can only lose.

Apple should be mindful of the fact this could be a way for China who owns tiktok to break Apple‘s winning team up. There are Chinese brands Im sure they want to privilege.

 

[monster620ie]

I don't think he deserved to be fired over those comments. Ridiculous.

The executives deal with a communist government and they are ok but he says an unharmful statement and he gets fired. Ridiculous !

 

[toke lahti]

Apple really deserves to loose these talents.
Will they sell more because of this "firing" extravaganza?

 

[Nuno Lopes]

Oh dear. Tim Cook virtuosity campaign about privacy, education and all that jazz down the drain in Tik Tok. I guess the very high echelons at Apple did not get the memo about how to talk in public.

 

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[Nuno Lopes]

honestly dude what the hell does this even mean

It means what it means. Sanitized.

 

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[ninethirty]

No, it’s not a wrong understanding. You’re playing dumb and your own example shows it.

The context here is specifically that of interpersonal relations, not laws. The fact that the law doesn’t protect from consequences (which by the way isn’t totally true), doesn’t invalidate any concern in the context we’re talking about here. So, yes in your example I do have a serious concern and objection on being punched because I insult someone. Of course, insulting someone isn’t the wisest thing to do, but the consequence you describe is specifically an example of why we’re not just talking about laws (which by the way would put the puncher in jail).

Yours is also an awful example of the “she was dressed wrong” kind.

Yes, it is a misunderstanding.

I'm not playing dumb, I'm just not playing the way you'd like me to.

It matters that people have come to misunderstand what "free speech," actually means for them. They've incorrectly assumed that it means that anyone is free to say or do anything they want and that there will never be consequences. For some idiotic reason, there's a large number of Americans who think that you have a right to your own TV show, or platform, or a job even, and then find out the hard way afterwards that in our incredibly well connected world, when you express an awful, or controversial opinion, against the wishes or likes of your employer, or the social media platform whose rules you've just broken, that you don't actually have a right to any of those things at all.

Respectfully, I would argue that it is you that's playing dumb here by trying to argue that people are upset about losing something they never had to begin with.

 

[cosmichobo]

Honestly, no. I don’t think saying n***** is that big a deal.

A word is a word. How you treat people is what matters. I’m a big believer in the first amendment. Not just in the legal sense, but the spiritual sense. By that I mean, unless you are breaking a law, or going to get someone killed, you should be able to say anything you want, and others should be adult enough to respect it.

Not too long ago, you could say what you want and not have to worry about internet mobs demanding your job. Imagine the kids growing up today. They are going to have to worry about what they say at 16 or 18 haunting them when they are 50.

Again, how you treat someone should matter, not what you say.

Yes, you got it. Not long ago, you could say anything you wanted, and not worry about it. Now, we know better. We know the power of our words can hurt and upset people.

Why keep using the N word, when you KNOW it hurts and upsets people?

Why talk about groping women, when you KNOW it is demeaning?

Take a moment and think about what you are actually saying there, because you are NOT being respectful, you are NOT treating people well.