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I just read that iPod mode is no longer supported. Does that mean someone who currently owns a vehicle with a USB port/iPod integration can't control/navigate their new iPhone 5, iPod Touch 5 or 7th gen Nano with their vehicle's touch-screen/audio controls? If that's the case, the only options would be using the aux port, a costly hardware upgrade to your vehicle or a new vehicle.

That's in addition to the numerous docks (like my Denon dock which I bought a few years ago) that would become worthless, even with an adapter.

This is what I'd like to know. I like controlling my music via my cars steering wheel controls. I just bought the car a few months ago and since it's a Mini Countryman there is no option for a stereo upgrade. I just want my music and controls without having to use just aux port. Yeah it'll still work but reading playlists on in the dash and controlling the fwd/back/scrolling via my cars intergraded system is a pretty awesome feature I'd hate to give up.
 
Did Apple or anyone ever mention if Lightning was USB 2 or 3? Because USB2 is not very Lightning like..

I really hope they don't get into the habit of giving every single thing cutesy little names like Microsoft has been doing.

USB2 came out around 6 years before the very 1st iPhone model.

How anyone can even consider calling an interface that came out around 11 or 12 years ago "Lightening" is just amazing, and shows you just how dumb Apple think their consumers are.

Take a protocol over a decade old, call it "Lightening" and they will think it's super fast. Quite unbelievable.

Whilst of course it should and must work with USB2 obviously now it should work at USB3 speeds if plugged into a USB3 port, which virtually all new computers today will come with.
 
Ok because I'm too lazy too google, what kind of video does the 4S play? Can I do a decent bit rate mp4 720p? How will it look on say a 40" TV? If the iPhone 5 is even faster maybe I could see myself doing this. Hdmi adapter and really short Hdmi cable would be nice and compact.

From the spec site:
Video formats supported: H.264 video up to 1080p, 30 frames per second, High Profile level 4.1 with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats; MPEG-4 video up to 2.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Simple Profile with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps per channel, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats; Motion JPEG (M-JPEG) up to 35 Mbps, 1280 by 720 pixels, 30 frames per second, audio in ulaw, PCM stereo audio in .avi file format
 
This is what I'd like to know. I like controlling my music via my cars steering wheel controls. I just bought the car a few months ago and since it's a Mini Countryman there is no option for a stereo upgrade. I just want my music and controls without having to use just aux port. Yeah it'll still work but reading playlists on in the dash and controlling the fwd/back/scrolling via my cars intergraded system is a pretty awesome feature I'd hate to give up.

Wait it's only the adapter that doesn't support iPod out correct? If I use a lightning cable that supports iPod out correct?
 
Guys, nobody is forcing you to buy the new iPhone. And if you can afford to drop close to $1000 over two years on a phone, you ought to be able to afford a bit more on the adaptors. But, if buying 2 or 3 adaptors is so traumatic, just keep your current phone. It's really not that big a deal.

Nine years is an aeon in technology. The old connector was holding up minuturisation and should have been replaced years ago. You would all have been complaining if the new phone were thicker.
 
USB2 came out around 6 years before the very 1st iPhone model.

How anyone can even consider calling an interface that came out around 11 or 12 years ago "Lightening" is just amazing, and shows you just how dumb Apple think their consumers are.

Take a protocol over a decade old, call it "Lightening" and they will think it's super fast. Quite unbelievable.

Whilst of course it should and must work with USB2 obviously now it should work at USB3 speeds if plugged into a USB3 port, which virtually all new computers today will come with.

The cable that comes with this first generation of devices is USB 2.0. There is nothing that says the connector itself is limited to USB 2.0.
 
The cable that comes with this first generation of devices is USB 2.0. There is nothing that says the connector itself is limited to USB 2.0.

Apple's store website specifically states "USB 2 cable"

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This USB 2.0 cable connects your iPhone or iPod with Lightning connector to your computer's USB port for syncing and charging or to the Apple USB Power Adapter for convenient charging from a wall outlet.
 
Currently i have a Universal dock that i use with my 4S to play music through AUX in my car. It's flawless! Is the new lightning connection capable of playing music or is it just the lightning to 30 pin adapter that doesn't support music playback?
 
With the need for all these new adapters its a shame apple decided to go with yet another proprietary connection system

Micro USB 3.0 would have proved that
a)apple is ahead of its time
b)apple is finally adopting a universal standard

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Cool.

Didn't think they'd actually attempt to force people to stream via Airplay.

Too bad AirPlay sucks for

1, high-fps and/or quick-reaction gaming

2, non-native (mp4/mov/m4v), hi-res video streaming

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Has anyone seriously ever hooked up their iPhone to a television??

A lot of us, actually.

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Apple used to be a great company making great products. Now they just seem to be greedy greedy greedy. They are clearly willing to sacrifice user-friendliness for money. I won't be buying anything from them anymore. The system updates reduce functionality rather than expanding it

In this particular case it might not be the case (albeit I too find the converters / adapters ridiculously high-priced at $30/$40 and they still aren't able to feed any kind of multimedia output to external devices).

However, looking at the history of iOS and Apple's deliberate removing functionality, it is. Just some examples:

- removing antialiasing in 2x iPhone emulation under iOS5 for iPad 1/2 and lying the previous antialiasing "was a bug"

- removing long-time audio recording from the 3G when the 3GS was released

- reducing the iPad 1 USB power not to allow people use external hardware except for the CCK in iOS4 etc.

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Does anyone know if AirPlay was going to play without a Internet connection? I read somewhere (maybe here) they were trying to do that?

It does - it doesn't route traffic outside your LAN.

However, it still can't be as efficient and high-performance as cabled connections when it comes to hi-res video display. Actually, it sucks at gaming and non-native video playback.

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It's called technological progress. If you don't want the state of the art to move forward, that's up to you, but technology is going to change and Apple is on the forefront of that. The 30-pin connector was getting very clunky and inelegant and I think this new adapter will allow smaller, wearable computing devices into the future.

Actually, now that we all know no old multimedia adapters / cables / docking stations will work without additional adapters (if at all - the RGB and composite out seem to be completely dropped), it would have been a much nicer step from Apple to do the following:

use separate micro USB and micro HDMI

as do almost all other companies - Nokia (see e.g. Nokia 808), Samsung etc.

Of course I know they would never do that. After all, profit (selling their clunky, external HDMI etc. converters, $30/$40 adapters, overpriced chargers) is first. Using industry-standard technologies and sockets to make consumers' lives much easier (no need for clunky, awkward HDMI adapters etc)? Nope.

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well considering the new screen ratio, they are soon going to push the iphone and ipod touch to appleTV as a console gaming system.

"Console gaming quality" via the laggy and, for high-fps games, absolutely cr@ppy AirPlay? Is that a joke?
 
$29 for an adapter that probably won't work for audio, and definitely won't work for video? Uhm… say again?
 
The lightning dock connector will be an epic fail because of durability with the actual docking station 'SMALL pin connection' with the iPhone. Of course, that is a simple way of looking at by focusing on the docking part of it. Lightning will I'm sure give many advantages with the software, but I see a true disadvantage right away without even seeing what's in store on the hardware side.

Basically, the wider 30pin dock connector allowed the iPhone to be stable on many platforms of docking stations... many.

These new docking stations will break easier now... just watch. The video issue is I'm sure resolved through a proprietary purchase of an Apple product... who what a thunk!

I see this as a legit negative to the consumer, and just another sales strategy by Apple.
 
FW800 anyone?

this sound kinda familiar with the still missing (correct me if I'm wrong) thunderbolt-to-firewire adapter which was announced to be available shortly after the release of the rMBP.

so again bullsh**ing the customer? seriously apple? :mad:
 
I guess I'll have to wait for reports on the adapters working with MINI Coopers. At least I know I'm not totally screwed and I'll always have AUX in.

And the phone comes with an adapter.
 
It looks like they do [include a free Lightning to 30-pin adaptor]

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If this is true, which it looks like, then this definitely makes things a little better.

Why not have all adapters and cables ready for launch?

I don't understand why they won't. Apple is not some minor underdog player anymore. Some people say they need to see what the demand is first. Certainly they could have assumed SOME demand for all of their adaptors and had at least SOME amount of each adaptor type ready for launch. If they sold out they could go into their whole "we're so popular we just can't keep up with demand" routine, but not having them available at launch seems short-sighted at best, but I have a hard time believing they just didn't think of it or didn't realize there would be a demand for them.

With the need for all these new adapters its a shame apple decided to go with yet another proprietary connection system

Micro USB 3.0 would have proved that
a)apple is ahead of its time
b)apple is finally adopting a universal standardImage

Creating a new proprietary standard which apparently will make millions upon millions of accessories and interfaces (from alarm clocks to Rolls Royces) obsolete means only one thing: arrogance. Apple is number 1, and they can do whatever they want (or at least think they can). They think they can decide iPod out is dead just like that, force everyone to make or purchase new accessories, make people wait for adaptors to come out, and all the while still make money in the process.

They could have at least had the decency to have iPod out work for this round of products (or the last) and tell people and manufacturers that a transition was coming. I don't know if it is even technically possible for them to backtrack on this like they did for the ePEAT standards and retail store staffing cuts -- if Apple's new products don't support analog out, and the iPod out and video through the 30-pin connector is the only way their accessory/device will accept audio or video in, then people will just be out of luck, right?
 
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When I saw that they were price-gouging @ almost $30 per cable, I came to a simple conclusion. Wait 2 weeks until ebay is flooded with knockoffs, buy three different ones for $3 a piece and if only one of them works I've still saved tons of money.

I agree with a former poster, they ought to provide one free 30 pin adapter to those who request it. I've got 30-pin cables all over my house and car. All I want to do is charge my phone at night, geez.
 
Ridiculous

Love Apple, but this whole event was a dud... adapters a rip off. It just seems Apple is playing it safe and predictable and charging a boat-load for it...
Why can't they offer the adapters in a 3-pack for $9.99? They've got over $100B in cash!! This is an item that costs pennies to make... it just disgusts me how Apple can't provide even the most basic thing at a reasonable price. Case in point -- Mountain Lion is now cheaper than an adapter...
 
many many times

Has anyone seriously ever hooked up their iPhone to a television??

Yes, my iPhone, my iPod, my iPad. Everytime I travel to a hotel room, everytime my kids want to watch movies at their friends and families, every dinner party where parents want 90 minutes to have adult talk time.

This is invaluable to me.

Do you know how many people still do not have AppleTV, Blu-Ray, iDevices or flat screen TVs. Still a heck of a lot.

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