Mistake? How so? A few thousand people in the states stopped buying iPhone? They don’t care. It is what it is.
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Apple Promotes Benefits of Using iPhone 14 With eSIM While Traveling Abroad
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They may or may not charge money but having to actually deal with Verizon or AT&T on the phone is payment enough in itself.
iPhones already share the IMEI with the carrier when using physical SIM cards so for iPhones there is no loss of privacy here by using an eSIM ( just the loss of on-demand portability by swapping the physical card)
I moved my sim to esim last night on my phone to get ready for my iPhone 14. I did it on the app for my prover. I didn't need to call anyone. I had an issue with the esim downloading, but it was fixed in a few minutes by chatting with support.
The floppy drive, cd drive, and headphone jack have entered the chat ...
Thanks, I will buying direct and unlocked next time. The carrier deals look good until you run into issues like this.
That's good to know about T-Mobile still issuing the credits. They are finally coming to my area so I'll need to see how the coverage is. For now my only choices are AT&T and U.S. Cellular.
For T-Mobile go to the website and look for update or upgrade sim. Just did the a week ago took less than 5 minutes.
I agree buying direct and unlocked is best. The trouble is Apple will give you $300 as a trade in for your old and AT&T and the other carriers $1000.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
286+ posts with most up in arms about the loss of the good consumer OPTION to use a SIM card, especially valuable when traveling but here's the question:
If you buy anyway, Apple made the right decision. Buying anyway rewards Apple for making such "courageous" decisions. Griping for those who buy anyway is just venting. Apple still gets every seller benefit from those who may gripe loudest but then lays the money down for one.
If enough make this a dealbreaker issue, Apple gets to actually learn a lesson... and could then respond by bringing international phones into the US as alternatives (with SIM) or up to reviving SIM in the North American model next year "due to overwhelming customer demand."
What Apple wants most is to what all companies want most: to maximize revenue & profit. If buying anyway does that, all decisions Apple makes appear to be right. Voting with wallet actually works if the masses decide an issue- like this one- motivates them to NOT reward a decision.
Else, pay up, enjoy your new phone and deal with the issues and added expense when traveling outside of North America. 50,000 posts griping about this from people who buy anyway won't change a thing.
For all complaining, are you buying anyway?
If you buy anyway, Apple made the right decision. Buying anyway rewards Apple for making such "courageous" decisions. Griping for those who buy anyway is just venting. Apple still gets every seller benefit from those who may gripe loudest but then lays the money down for one.
If enough make this a dealbreaker issue, Apple gets to actually learn a lesson... and could then respond by bringing international phones into the US as alternatives (with SIM) or up to reviving SIM in the North American model next year "due to overwhelming customer demand."
What Apple wants most is to what all companies want most: to maximize revenue & profit. If buying anyway does that, all decisions Apple makes appear to be right. Voting with wallet actually works if the masses decide an issue- like this one- motivates them to NOT reward a decision.
Else, pay up, enjoy your new phone and deal with the issues and added expense when traveling outside of North America. 50,000 posts griping about this from people who buy anyway won't change a thing.
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Well, what's done is done. Thanks Apple.
I have enjoyed being able to swap a physical SIM between my iPhone (used for work calls) and my iPad - when I want to do work away from WiFi. This capability seems to be over with.
Fortunately, T-Mobile has some new international roaming features that allows me to use my existing service without a need to get a local SIM. My international travel is usually only for a week or so, 5GB of data is fine.
Some places that are physical SIM-only are also places where you don't necessarily want to be carrying your new $1300 iPhone 14 Pro Max out in the open. I'm not promoting Apple's change to eSIM, but you may be better off finding a used iPhone for like $200. You don't want to become a target with your expensive phone out in the open, especially if you travel often. You're better off just investing in an older used phone for international travel. You can still take the new phone (better camera!).
I have enjoyed being able to swap a physical SIM between my iPhone (used for work calls) and my iPad - when I want to do work away from WiFi. This capability seems to be over with.
Fortunately, T-Mobile has some new international roaming features that allows me to use my existing service without a need to get a local SIM. My international travel is usually only for a week or so, 5GB of data is fine.
Some places that are physical SIM-only are also places where you don't necessarily want to be carrying your new $1300 iPhone 14 Pro Max out in the open. I'm not promoting Apple's change to eSIM, but you may be better off finding a used iPhone for like $200. You don't want to become a target with your expensive phone out in the open, especially if you travel often. You're better off just investing in an older used phone for international travel. You can still take the new phone (better camera!).
Apple has been trying to get the industry to move to eSIM for at least half a decade, maybe more.
I have no skin in the game as I rarely travel and only have one plan for my phone, so I never swap SIM cards. I think I like the protection of not having to worry about someone getting my phone and taking my SIM card so they get access to my SMS-2FA accounts, but even that's a stretch to have to worry about.
I think of it like this. If there's no one pushing for eSIM, we're never going to get them. The industry never moves unless a big player forces them to. In this case, Apple is big enough to drive the entire industry to eSIM. It's going to happen.
Ironically, the whole Lightning vs. USB-C thing is similar, but from the opposite end. Apple fighting the inevitability of USB-C/standard port for over a decade is quite a comparison to the SIM debate.
I can tell you as far as US goes. This is a none issue for the majority of people. They will continue to buy.
I did buy 5 taiwan iPhone pro max.You don't have to suffer, unless it's your own choice. Literally the only eSIM only iPhones are the US iPhone 14 series. The rest of the iPhone lineup and non-US iPhone 14 still sport the SIM tray as usual. If you specifically bought the US iPhone 14 while knowing you would be inconvenienced by the lack of SIM slot, that's on you.
It will still be troublesome to activate due to 2FA.
How many in US really knows the pain when they show up in country without esim support for prepaid?
It’s still hard to get your hands on international version. I still need to arrange for phones to be shipped to my dad house in Taiwan and wait until my next trip. Not to mention activating and 2FA while overseas.
All could be done much easier if apple offers both. As far for other consumer- just wait when Japan officially open in 3 weeks. Someone is bound to show up with brick iPhone 14/14po.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Of course they will buy this phone anyway*. That's the point.
*edited to clarify the intended meaning of this post.
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Gain from whose perspective
Infrastructure isn’t private in all countries either.
Some of the issue is government policy too.
As great of power apple has, it’s not all mighty that can influence every single country policies.
The mere fact Apple offers physical sim already give you a problem.
So you are saying to people owns us iPhone 14/14 pro to never travel to China and Japan for work/pleasure?
Unless Xi dies- China will never allow esim under his watch.
Apple isn’t leaving China market.
Simple, this is 2022 and I refuse to carry two phones. You're entitle to your own opinion so am I. Apple needs to come clean and call out that eSim is not availed yet in all international markets for pre paid plans on that ''eSim page''. That's what the issue is. I realize that a large % of Americans dont leave the mainland. For those who do, I personally won't be forced down the throat to pay outrageous roaming fees with $hitty data packages and service when abroad.
General question here. I'm upgrading from an XS (physical SIM) to a 14 Pro (eSIM) - both are unlocked but I use AT&T. Last time I upgraded, I just switched the physical SIM from my iPhone 8 to the XS and restored my apps and data from a backup (connected to a mac via USB).
My question is what order do I set up the new phone most efficiently? Do I have to transfer the SIM info onto the eSIM before I can do anything else, or do I restore from my XS backup (using USB to my Mac) first, then worry about activating the phone?
Thanks for any help - it's been 4 years since I had to worry about this.
My question is what order do I set up the new phone most efficiently? Do I have to transfer the SIM info onto the eSIM before I can do anything else, or do I restore from my XS backup (using USB to my Mac) first, then worry about activating the phone?
Thanks for any help - it's been 4 years since I had to worry about this.
Try that with grab and DiDi. Does it work?
Be realistic. You will need local number especially for transportation
Item 1 is hit and miss. Last month in Taiwan it took uber 30 minutes to route the driver call to us and call me. (I forgot to change the number).
1. Japan is straight lie. Because all carriers in Japan ESIM are reserved for local contract plan. You need legal residency.
2. We aren’t talking about universal esim.
Either you lied or you didn’t understand the issue.