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Apple Promotes Benefits of Using iPhone 14 With eSIM While Traveling Abroad
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These guys are out to strip everybody out of everything… insane.
Rogers also charge $50 if you talk to a representative in a store and they activate/deactivate/swap a line. Also the equivalent $20 tourist-friendly eSIM T-Mobile plan with unlimited data, US and everything costs $55+ with Rogers.
In China, foreigners are forbidden from using eSIMs since users must register with their national ID card (my cold realisation after buying a cellular Apple Watch here) so good luck to all Apples employees travelling to China for hardware production and prototyping.
I can give a bit more clarity here.
With a smart wireless terminal (which is basically what an iPhone or cellular phone is) you have two distinct identifiers. The network interface and its unique ID as well as a hardware ID that is specific and unique to the general compute portion of the device.
SIM cards offer greater privacy because they do not have any direct links to the hardware identifiers and are the primary identifier of a user on a mobile wireless network. Over the years network operators have introduced additional means of collecting and tracking information about what devices are connecting to their networks. This comes in the form of an IMEI (which is the unique hardware ID). They store this on their network when ever it can be retrieved from the device. But it is not a “requirement” to have that information for the device to work. So long as a registered and functional SIM card exists then any device that is standards compliant with GSM (broadly) can connect.
The challenge with eSIM privacy is that the SIM ID is generated from a hash of the hardware ID and other data when provisioning occurs. This is traceable back to the specific device being used and cannot be transferred from one device to the next.
To switch devices would require provisioning a new SIM ID unique to that device and so on.
Even if the process is painless and transparent. The reality is it is much more specific to the device and hence the user than SIM cards ever were.
Frankly you can kiss privacy goodbye. I don’t like it personally but I’ve been working in this field for a long time and I’ve learned to live with it.
That might be so for some. But not for all. For me this did not work. The T-Mobile tech said there are a whole bunch of steps I would have to do and it takes a long time.
It would need to be more than that, as 'carrier partners' isn't a relevant concept in much of the world where Apple simply doesn't have them. Even where it does, they often represent only a fraction of the carriers available. For example, in the UK apart from the 4 main network operators (that might be considered carrier partners), there are 27 service providers that piggy-back of them, all which have their own (usually cheaper) tariffs and policies re eSIMs etc.
Project that globally, and I don't think what you're suggesting would be viable.
Very insightful, so much for Apples promotion of privacy. It’s the details they elect to not inform you about where they still get you. But the majority believe in their privacy message due to the way it’s portrayed. I never once thought Apple was concerned about privacy, due to the endless free apps on the store constantly data mining you, another thing they don’t inform you of.
Still looks like they are trying to force the standard through one way or another.
going to be a nice little market for non-US iPhone 14 sales in the US for those who want the option of using a SIM card.
This is still a dumb move by Apple. As others have said esims are not readily available to non-citizens/residents of those countries.
This is a great information, thank you so much for that. I wish Apple would tell this to the customers too if they are so much about privacy. I’m always sceptical to everything Apple says especially about privacy and this is a bit fishy.
Apple is autocratic company who thinks could make changes and justify that it is useful for its customers. The eSim is in favour of Apple and mobile companies to have a control over customers. There is no way to justify this change and that too in the cheaper version of iPhone.
No USBC still !!
No USBC still !!
Remember back in they day when apple required that special Nano SIM that was hard to get from various carriers? That worked out ok.
YES! Had the same experience in Mexico. Only few carriers support eSIM and that's just on postpaid.
Not the same! You would be able to get your sim cut to fit the nano slot. Now, you need to go behind the carrier to get the esim.
Well I understand that right now most carriers outside and even inside the USA do not fully support eSIM.
But if you compare both options in their fully implemented state, meaning the eSIM is accepted and works everywhere. I feel like having 8 eSIM if I travel all over the world to be much more convenient than carrying 8 physical SIM cards that I have to swap every time I change country.
But i’m mostly in the minority of people who thinks that we don’t evolve fast enough. I mean we’ve had Apple Wallet since 2012 and we still haven’t figured out how to have our driver’s license on our phone.
All the benefits already existed, PLUS the ability to actually use a SIM. Now I have one LESS option. That is NOT an upgrade.
Typical Apple doing what’s best for THEM and then trying to tell us it’s actually what we wanted all along we’re just too stupid to understand that.
Typical Apple doing what’s best for THEM and then trying to tell us it’s actually what we wanted all along we’re just too stupid to understand that.
Yes but the option to have those as eSIM already existed. Now if you do have to have a SIM, well Apple has good news for you. You no longer have to deal with SIM cards!
This is the real problem. They couldn’t even pull a Schiller and say yeah we know it sucks now but we’re doing this to improve the market. No, they just said we’re all too dumb and clumsy to handle SIM cards so like children they are taking the option away.
Did you try or you are just assuming? I just did a physical sim to esim transfer in under a minute for free. Also did a esim to esim transfer when I got a new replacement phone also in s minute with no issues. So far I have not heard of any carrier attempting to charge for physical sim to esim transfer.
Yes, T-Mobile, the only good example. Just ignore the experience of the person who tried to do this with their own network operators.
Maybe, *maybe* Apple pulling this will force them to get better. But in the short term it is worse for everyone. EVERYONE because all the eSIM options already existed, all they have done is REMOVE choice.
Apple has already declared it done. Samsung is busy mocking them in the marketing department, but Samsung engineering is ripping those SIM slots out as fast as they can.
And that, as usual will be the real benefit here. Apple drives the wedge, then Samsung copies them and actually forces the telcos to pay attention.
If eSIM were actually a practical replacement for SIM in every respect I wouldn’t be upset. But it is not, so I am.
