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Japan's problem is not eSIM or physical SIM. Most tourist plans in Japan are data only, ie no local number. Getting a local cell number in Japan is actually quite difficult for non-residents, if not impossible. This is regulatory issue, not tech issue.
https://www.hanacell.com/japan/ works fine for me. And I'm not a resident (currently at least) and no Japanese national. You get SoftBank SIM with normal number (I got 080).

But yeah, this one actually isn't offered as eSIM. Guess I got myself haha
 
I thought it was paying around 30 Euros instead of 100 Euros per month? You're not going to find unlimited mobile data in Germany for 30 Euros regardless of the shape of your SIM card.

I personally have unlimited from Telekom with an eSIM, and it's available both post- and prepaid. It's just more expensive. But if you're a resident and you're fine with a postpaid plan, and you have some friends or family who also need a cell phone plan, you can share the unlimited plan now with relatively cheap additional cards. I got my average costs per person down to around 20 Euros per month by doing so. Not possible with prepaid, though.
Freenet Funk. 30€. I actually don't need it bec i am fine with what i got. Never used more than 3 gigs in a month. Everywhere is now wifi...
 
I'm happy about this decision but I can understand can cause problem for US customer.
Apple is pushing this technology that now will really arrive in the world and US customer will "pay" for it in the short terms.

My experience from Italy is that 3 years ago to have an iphone dual sim the only chance was to buy through Hong Kong (not very cheap).
In the menatime some telco here has open to the technology so that we have now 6 company offering it.
Just now I changed to a iphone 13 and now using a phisical and an esim succesfully.

But if I have to think to an US tourist coming here I can see they can have just 2 well knowv carreer offering esim but they have to go at selected kiosk and have to made it in person so not very easy.
The other 4 companies offering esim are very local, and you have to know them otherwise impossible to find.
Just for your info I'm using one of this little company and the process is very easy, and you can activate the esim in the same day of the purchase receiving the QR code on email for free.
Actually, I don't think it will be an issue with the majority of US customers. Practically all US carriers support eSIM already (sans a few MVNOs), and majority of Americans hardly travel outside the country. It's the perfect test market, and also a warning to other carriers around the world to be prepared as in three years or so, all US iPhone lineup will probably be eSIM only.
 
What about eSIMs you think that makes them more “privacy” invasive than any other type of SIM card? If a carrier requires an ID for one, it requires it for the other.
I meant that eSIM is worse than a regular SIM in those terms. I didn't say eSIM is more private. Sorry for the confussion.
 
So, you fly out to Thailand, you jump on an internal, you end up in the jungle or better still a paradise island. You go to arrange an eSIM. You realise that you can't and that the locals only sell TrueMove physical SIMs. Whatcha gonna do?

You will be fine in Bangkok but not in the more isolated, rural areas... and they do exist not just in Asia but everywhere...
I got my pre-paid Thai True esim in Hua Hin and got it re-activated after a phone swap in koh samui 2 years later due to covid restrictions, FOC btw but a pain as you had to be physically present.

Not the jungle grant you but easy for tourists destinations, now Malaysia is a bigger pain with Celcom and Maxis even in KL
 
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If you're an avid traveller, you would've been prepared with something like a portable mifi, a phone with SIM slot, or not even bother buying a US iPhone 14.

I mean seriously, if you know you will need a SIM slot, why do you even buy a US iPhone 14? It's not like Apple is hiding the fact that it doesn't have a SIM slot.

I can see the problems with eSIM (3 out of 4 carriers in my country don't support eSIM). But made up situations like yours is, well, silly.
Silly? Personally I don't bother as I live in the EU where the physical SIM slot is available on the on the iPhone 14 as well as the eSIM option so you can use both simultaneously, can you give one single reason why it's a good option for US buyers to remove such an option which offers benefits to the user whether the user is a regular traveller or not?
 
Upgrading from the 11 to the 13 last year was a pain. I’m a dual sim user and had to wait 60 or so days after purchase to reactivate my 2nd line. Of course I wasn’t informed of that until after the trade in was complete.

I’m assuming the 14 is no different if you’re not buying it unlocked.
Sounds like you are with Verizon. This is actually part of a long standing standard policy they have with regards to SIM card locks. They do sell phones subsidized and locked to their network for the first 60 days your service is active. Then they unlock the SIM “slot” for you to use with international carriers abroad etc.

This is a hold over policy from the days of CDMA where physical SIMs were not used but some phones had dual functionality (CDMA and GSM radios). This would provide good coverage in the US and abroad by utilizing both standards.

Now everything is GSM and CDMA in its old form is largely defunct. I frankly hope they keep this policy as it is one of the more generous offers from carriers who sell locked devices. Most others won’t unlock a phone until you’ve paid it off entirely or held onto your service for two years or both.
 
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Does the iPhone 12 Pro Max already support two eSim at a time? Right now I am using eSim (Germany) and a physical sim card (Mexico)
No. Dual active eSIM is only supported on iPhone 13 and newer. It's a modem limitation. You can store multiple eSIM profiles, but only one can be active at a time.
 
I meant that eSIM is worse than a regular SIM in those terms. I didn't say eSIM is more private. Sorry for the confussion.

No, I get what you meant. The question is, how is eSIM worse than a regular SIM when it comes to privacy?
 
Silly? Personally I don't bother as I live in the EU where the physical SIM slot is available on the on the iPhone 14 as well as the eSIM option so you can use both simultaneously, can you give one single reason why it's a good option for US buyers to remove such an option which offers benefits to the user whether the user is a regular traveller or not?
Silly because it's a made up scenario.

Why would I give you any reason for Apple's decision for the US? I don't live there.
 
Silly? Personally I don't bother as I live in the EU where the physical SIM slot is available on the on the iPhone 14 as well as the eSIM option so you can use both simultaneously, can you give one single reason why it's a good option for US buyers to remove such an option which offers benefits to the user whether the user is a regular traveller or not?
It’s a means of controlling and locking device usage remotely. It’s of no significant benefit to the consumer and of tremendous benefit to both the manufacturer (reduced cost and more efficient device tracking) and the network operator.

I like to have both options. And I’m less than thrilled about the elimination of the SIM slot entirely. This matter of remote provisioning has been a pain in the rear since the early days of cellular and CDMA / TDMA devices.

SIM cards have frankly always been more versatile and of practical benefit as an “option” to the consumer.
 
As Long as I can walk up to a kiosk, pay cash and get a eSim activated, while playing tourist I’m fine with that. I shouldn’t have to give a credit card and a drivers license/other personal identification material, I just buy a eSim for a week.
Whether you have to provide identity or not, isn't related to SIM vs. eSIM, though. It's more about the local laws and regulation.

SIM cards are anonymous. ESIM generally requires a carrier login to function. That makes them more annoying in the third world if you want a voice line because esims are usually postpaid only.
That's not an inherent trait about eSIMs. They are pretty much the same as SIM. It's more about how they are sometimes sold.

How about Apple tells us the benefits of removing the physical sim?
It frees up space inside the device. Eventually, that is, as it would require it to be removed in all models.

I know that few iPhone users are worried about privacy but a physical sim is a cornerstone of privacy. The broadband modem is one of the privacy destroying components of an iPhone and if you can't disable it by removing the sim then you have no privacy. None. The baseband modem and Bluetooth (and soon, satellite chip) are all active even if the phone is turned off.
I don't see how it's any different with eSIM. You can delete the eSIM as well, and the broadband modem can perfectly fine connect to towers without a SIM. If you're this paranoid, maybe don't use a phone at all.

This not just another 3,5 mm jack over again, which was sold as saving space in phones and making them more water resistant
It does free up space in the device. It wasn't sold as making the device more water resistant, though, that was unofficial speculation.

The issue with eSim and international travallers could an intentional doing by the network carriers because they want international travellers to pay for roaming charges and expensive international call charges rather than the cheaper option which is to purchase a pay as you sim when at entry to the country.
That's a nice conspiracy theory, at least :)
 
I will be upgrading from my iPhone 7 to a 13 mini. There is just no way an eSIM is practical. I have had SIM cards in Uganda, Somalia, Sudan and other developing countries. There is just no easy way to land in these sort of places and get an eSIM.

I also have a physical SIM from the Czech Republic that is tied to a bank account for a rental property there. There is no way to convert it to an eSIM without actually visiting the Czech Republic so upgrading to the iPhone 14 would also require a trip to Europe.
 
Let us know Friday when the eSIM demand is thru the roof, it’s gonna be a **** show at all the carriers…. Mark my words
LOL yeah can't wait for the entertainment. :D The mods should probably prepare one thread for "US eSIM complaints" so every other user won't create a new thread about it as it will definitely explode. I mean if Apple's server cannot even handle the usual activation volume, the servers of these carriers would be hilarious.
 
Silly because it's a made up scenario.

Why would I give you any reason for Apple's decision for the US? I don't live there.
It’s quite frankly a power play like so many other decisions by Apple as of late. And really if you think about it it’s essentially the same culture they’ve always had in many respects.

That said, eSIMs can be quite convenient and they can also be cumbersome and restrictive. Removing the “option” to use both is of absolutely no benefit to the consumer in any way. Choices are essential to free market economies. Removing them limits competition.

Frankly I could see a very viable and valid class action being filed against Apple for their unilateral decision to remove the physical SIM option as it compels both network operators and consumers to conform to their standards rather than the other way around.

Apple would be fine to offer such a product as an alternative (maybe at a slightly reduced cost) but to limit availability by market entirely and for such a large market at that… well it’s rather arrogant and utterly self serving not to mention stifling.

This genuinely gives me pause about supporting the purchase of a newer device if that is how it will be restricted.
 
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I don’t understand why most people here are against progress. I mean if we listened to everyone here, we would still drive around on horses and use CDs for storage. It’s not like there isn’t an option with a physical sim car right now, but at least it will move the industry forward and give an incentive for the carriers to both get on the train and make it easier to use. Otherwise it would never happen.
 
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It's a really dumb decision. Traveling around and buying cheap local sim cards to have data is a standard practice, and eSIM is not a widely used standard yet. I was planning to buy the 14 while on a trip to the US (lower taxes there) but without the physical SIM? I'd rather pay the full price where I live.

Guess in the end I'll wait for 15, see if they finally add USB-C.
 
Silly because it's a made up scenario.

Why would I give you any reason for Apple's decision for the US? I don't live there.
Just don't travel to international destinations outside US, but what is the benefit of removing an option for those who actually do?
 
Does the iPhone 12 Pro Max already support two eSim at a time? Right now I am using eSim (Germany) and a physical sim card (Mexico)
Dual eSim was introduced with the iPhone 13. Before that you could only use dual Sim with one each (eSim/physical).
 
LOL yeah can't wait for the entertainment. :D The mods should probably prepare one thread for "US eSIM complaints" so every other user won't create a new thread about it as it will definitely explode. I mean if Apple's server cannot even handle the usual activation volume, the servers of these carriers would be hilarious.
Sadly this is such a valid concern. Making matters even more tedious the carriers must ensure that they remove any record of an eSIM device from their network before the eSIM exchange servers can release that unique ID for use with another carrier. I ran into this problem moving Apple Watches from T-mobile to Verizon. It was asinine as neither of the two network operators knew what the heck was going on and only due to my experience on the mobile network side working with both their infrastructures was I able to deduce what needed to occur to enable the devices to be moved from one account to another.

It was a total s—-show and Verizon kept insisting that Apple Watch on T-mobile was “incompatible” with their network. SMH

Matter was resolved but not before I had to order yet another watch from Verizon while I dealt with T-mobile and their ineptitude to remove all traces of the Apple Watches from their network.

This is the sort of b.s. a consumer should never face with a device that they own entirely.
 
This changes with iOS 16. Apple has been in talks with carriers over the past year to make the process easier which is why iOS 16 brought new features like being able to transfer eSIM from an iPhone to another via an AirDrop like feature.

Apple also teamed with many carriers to make it possible to go from physical to eSIM on your iPhone without needing to call anyone or visit a branch. Literally a single click.

Apple is doing its best to make it as convenient as possible and I believe in them. My home country was so against eSIM till last week. Carriers there didn’t even support the Apple Watch but then Apple launches an eSIM only phone just in the US and carriers panic and start testing eSIM with the regulatory body working hand in hand with them to get it done asap.
Do your research before you generalize. eSIM is NOT AVAILABLE FOR PAY AS YOU GO or PRE PAID PLANS. PERIOD. Carries internationally will not invest into those plans to be on eSim for 2-5 years from now.
 
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