Yeah okay malware on Windows is "rare" these days. How can we have valid conversations with people that say things like this?
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Apple Protests Call for Third-Party App Stores and Lower Platform Fees in Japan
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It does. At reasonable prices on the most part. But it doesnt have sales very often, if a game is quite pricey (eg Disgaea at $30) it hardly ever drops In price nor does it depreciate.
The same applies to the Xbox store or whatever but the option of buying a physical release does offset this somewhat.
Alternate stores wouldnt alleviate this problem as Android suffers from the same issues in spite of alternate options.
The point is that Sony et al don't have a monopoly on their own devices.
You do realize that these "regulations" are not Apple specific.
And Google should stop charging 15% and 30% in their store too, right?
Even though Android allows sideloading and alternative app stores... Google still makes a metric buttload of money from their fees.
Like I said earlier... it seems to be the fees that are the problem.
Lower the fees and a majority of these problems should go away. Hopefully.
Then you aren't blessed by apple.... =)
From Apple's own site:
- The Apple Developer Program is 99 USD per membership year or in local currency where available. For more details, see enrollment support.
Read through the previous 13 pages of this thread or the 15 page thread on the EU actions or the countless other related threads on the topic. The 'why it's such a big deal' has been discussed ad nauseam. I'm not going to rehash it for the umpteenth time.
But again....why? Why is it SUCH a MASSIVE deal? Android has had this ability forever, yet nobody side-loads. So who is advocating for this MUST HAVE FEATURE? This has never been explained. Apple is SOOO SOOO SOO bad but not allowing side-loading when literally NOBODY does on Android. Is it just "cool to hate on Apple" attitude going on here?
Nobody has explained it. I have read every post in both threads. I also read every post in the 10 other threads about this in recent months.
I have XCode downloaded and am coding in it right now....all without paying Apple $99.
And this is the entire fight summarized in a single sentence!!!
good for you, so do I. Now, try to publish your app on your own iphone! Hell try giving a macOS app to others without them having to jump through hoops to run it because you aren't paying apple for that.
It does not. If I place my App on the macOS App Store, they also take a cut. If I don't, I need to pay WAY MORE for my CDN/Support/Marketing costs.
Fair points.
So do you think Apple will just abandon iOS commissions completely and only get collect $99/year?
I doubt it.
What do you think should happen?
I made a suggestion. But I haven't heard any other suggestions.
Your turn.
But you cannot say that $99/year should cover everything. That's off the table.
There have been many suggestions based on what we know (what Android went through). We have no idea what Apple may come up with. Heck, follow Googles charge cost model.
That is NOT what you said:
You said this: Apple Charges that $99 to developers even if they don't have an app!
You just said "Now, try to publish your app on your own iphone". So what argument do you have here? They charge you even if you don't have an app, or they charge you when you do have an app?
You're largely correct here actually. Apple and Google will still charge their commission for apps in their stores, as they have a right to. I did overstate the case a bit, since I suspect most devs will remain in the App Store. It will still be a cash cow for Apple, but devs will have an option for going around it if they want.
"most devs"
This is what I have a problem with. I don't care what you do with your phone, but some Apps WILL no longer be on Apple's App Store thus forcing us that want a closed environment to no longer have the closed environment.
If it can be somehow guaranteed that Apps hosted elsewhere are also hosted on the Apple App Store, I won't have any issues with any side-loading. In fact, I would be right there with you advocating for it. I advocate for "right to repair"...but do I repair my own things? No, I am way too busy for that stuff. You want to do it? Go ahead!
you can't seriously be trying to split that hair... of course I wasn't talking about developers in a more general context... seriously????
Then you're ignoring it. We're talking literally hundreds of pages of combined forums posts in just the last few months. Most of the threads with many the same familiar faces, including yours and mine.
Look, you can acknowledge the stated reasons for "why it's such a big deal" without necessarily agreeing with those reasons.
Have you ever tried doing third party on Android?
Google deliberately makes is cumbersome and keeps dropping in dire warnings of doom and gloom.
Many users abandon it when they start getting the pop-ups. The last third party store I added to my Android took 12 steps and had 3 "warnings". It does vary.
If you are a developer, working on an iOS app, or a macOS app, and its not released yet...meaning Apple isn't putting it in their store, no one is downloading it from there, etc... but you want to test it on your phone, or have others test your macOS app, maybe just for feedback or testing... good luck doing even that without paying apple so they will sign your app.
Why do you have an inherent right to download any arbitrary dev's app from the App Store? One of the arguments I frequently see folks make is that a dev should just make their own platform and ecosystem if they don't like Apple's or Google's terms. Well if you don't like a dev's distribution method, why don't you write your own app that does the same thing? Or even easier, download an app from the App Store from a competitor that fulfills that need. You're basically demanding the maintenance of a digital feudal system where Apple is the lord and devs are all vassals that must be subject that whatever Apple demands. All because you have some misplaced belief that catastrophic things will happen otherwise.
If someone own a device, they should reserve the right to run whatever apps they like on said device. Theres no need to justify it to you or anyone else.
It might be beneficial if Apple take a few more leaves put of Androids book.
To update things as basic as the messaging app Apple needs to put out entire OS updates. This is pretty clunky.
Android might not have the system level updates iOS had but since Android 6.0 Google has deconstructed Android into individual apps meaning that core parts of the OS get updated on phones as old as 9 years.
Allowing a section of users the opportunity to sideload apps wouldn't require much effort from Apple. All they really need to do is bury it in 3 layers of settings and add a huge disclaimer that Apple take no responsibility in any errors that might arise from non-vetted apps. This would scare off the general public but allow hobbyists their freedom.