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But why does apple have to give up revenue on a platform they created? Why should all the other app stores benefit off the work of apple?
I don't know. I want to know why Yodobashi Camera in Akihabara does not allow Mandarake to take over one of their floors rent free. It is a competitive advantage to have such an enormous retail space on a prominent intersection near mass transit and unfair to smaller shops...
 
so according to the average apple zealot now the company should leave Japan (as well as Europe). If they were running the company it would soon sell services just in a couple of countries ?
 
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Apple should just stop providing warranty to the iphone, take down the store, allow it to be a free for all on wherever and whatever app you want to install and if it destroys your phone you can buy a new one. Well good luck with that!
 
As always, countries using a market cap = no actual anti-competitive practices under current law. They will continue to allow companies under the cap to use the supposedly "anti-competitive" strategies.
The antitrust laws are based on company size and market share and specifically call out restrictions on what companies meeting those criteria are allowed to do. If you don't like the laws you should petition to have them changed.
 
Apple hasn't been found to have violated anti-competitive practices in courts of law. You have legislators claiming that they're acting in an anti-competitive manner without any court rulings to back it up. Using caps is the way for legislators to get around the fact that Apple has not been found to be in legal violation.

As I've said before, legislators around the globe have never bothered to do an actual comparison of prices, quality, selection and customer satisfaction with apps for iOS versus Android versus Windows versus Mac. That should be an easy way to show lack of competition and it's not being done...because the legislators know it wouldn't provide a favorable comparison relative to their legislation.
Courts can only apply laws which exist. If no laws exist that qualify the things that Apple is doing as being anti-competitive, then legislatures have the right to enact laws stating as much. Being anti-competitive isn't some kind of discernible natural state. It's an attribute made up by humans and one that is subject to change.
 
I don't want third party app stores. I just want to install software I want without having to pay Apple 100€ per year.
What if I told you that you do not pay to install software (other than whatever fee they charge to purchase said software)? That is a yearly fee for developers to have access to dev tools, SDKs, APIs, and other resources - and vastly less expensive than dev kits and all the other requirements for the privilege of developing on the extremely restrictive video game platforms.
 
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As a shareholder I am not concerned either way but surprised how vested people on this forum have gotten on either position.
IMO, if someone is going to claim that a single 1st party store is anti-competitive versus 3rd party stores then it should be easy to demonstrate that lack of competition through prices, quality, selection and satisfaction with apps on the platform. None of the governments in question are doing that. They're entirely avoiding those kinds of comparisons. That's a rather obvious red flag within the "game".
 
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What I don't get is why no one is going after the gaming consoles. Hell, imagine being able to play a ps5 game on your switch. Big tech is big tech, regardless of what device or platform it is.
You think Japan is going to go after their most successful international brands when Apple is worth more than several of them combined?
 
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Courts can only apply laws which exist. If no laws exist that qualify the things that Apple is doing as being anti-competitive, then legislatures have the right to enact laws stating as much. Being anti-competitive isn't some kind of discernible natural state. It's a classification made up by humans and one that is subject to change.
Laws are subject to change but citizens typically expect those changes to be based on a realistic need. There doesn't appear to be any realistic competitive appraisal happening per the App Store. Legislators are refusing to do even basic comparisons for standard consumer issues like price/quality/selection/satisfaction.
 
It will be interesting to see how these various courts rule against Apple, but it will have really wide implications far beyond a mere smartphone or tablet.
 
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Apple should just stop providing warranty to the iphone, take down the store, allow it to be a free for all on wherever and whatever app you want to install and if it destroys your phone you can buy a new one. Well good luck with that!

1 / 2 year warranty is mandatory in many countries. Apple doesn’t just provide that out of good heart
 
Poor, poor Apple. <== that is sarcasm

If they would choose their battles a little more carefully, they might be able to hold the would-be regulators at bay. But because they continue to fight tooth and nail again any loosening of their policies, they ensure that they will eventually lose the war, big time.

Even then, Apple will be fine.
I agree. Some semblance of leeway would take the heat off of them but by refusing and refusing it just ratchets up the tension.
 
You don’t need an iPhone. Sorry but you don’t.
It is not easy in this world without a smartphone. A game console on the other hand is just entertainment.
The smartphone has become a very important part of everyday life, way beyond calls, texts, facebook and games.
That industry is dominated by 2 of the biggest companies in the world.
 
Laws are subject to change but citizens typically expect those changes to be based on a realistic need. There doesn't appear to be any realistic competitive appraisal happening per the App Store. Legislators are refusing to do even basic comparisons for standard consumer issues like price/quality/selection/satisfaction.
One company having complete control over what can be installed on roughly two thirds of Japanese citizen's smartphones would seem to be a realistic need. When a country does something like that, it's called authoritarian, but if a for-profit company does that suddenly it's justified "because capitalism", even though the net effect is largely the same, trampling the rights of consumers and the ability of legitimate businesses to operate.
 
Would it be feasible and make practical sense for Apple to somehow review the 3rd party app stores and the apps that were on them? (maybe not the apps that are on them). But make it so you can't just willy nilly be some 3rd party app store. Develop a strict set of rules associated with the 3rd party app store. For example, you must have and maintain a robust review system. If any app, downloaded from your store does harm (needs to be defined) to the "system" (again needs to be defined), then you lose your privledges/access to the platform. It cannot be the wild west. This would be no different that a retail store having rules for being on display (shelf fees, returns, etc.).
 
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Even if Epic loses their appeal, it looks like Apple is still on track to lose globally. Someone said above, get with the program and figure out an elegant way of finding a solution...spot on.
 
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You don’t need an iPhone. Sorry but you don’t.
Need as in food, water, air, shelter? Of course not. But having a smartphone today would fall into a second tier of needs like transportation, companionship, glasses if you have poor vision, etc. And seeing as how there is a need and a duopoly exists among smartphone OS's, it should be regulated.
 
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They give choice on the mac. Why should the iPhone and iPad be any different?
But the real question is, just because they did it that way on the Mac, a device created and maintain though a period of time when that was just how that sort of thing was done, why does that mean Apple MUST stick to the Mac model, and that governments decide what their model should be?

As someone mentioned further down the thread, Spotify makes the vast majority of its money through subscribes via the web, not through the app. They would make less or charge more if payments went through the app, but as it is the app is free and people just pay through their site. They had other good examples of how this is closer to the console experience of alternate places to pay, etc than we may think.

I just don’t think the “well, that’s how the Mac works” is a compelling legal argument. It may feel like a moral argument. But, Apple chose to change things with their iOS devices. Not sure why that should be ILLEGAL.
 
These "Apple should pull out of [insert market here]" comments are ridiculous.
Perhaps an Apple Store on Mars is the answer. From what I understand there's not a lot of regulation or government oversight there.

*purposely excluding the sarcasm tag...
 
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