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One company having complete control over what can be installed on roughly two thirds of Japanese citizen's smartphones would seem to be a realistic need. When a country does something like that, it's called authoritarian, but if a for-profit company does that suddenly it's justified "because capitalism", even though the net effect is largely the same, trampling the rights of consumers and the ability of legitimate businesses to operate.
This is probably the most decent argument I’ve seen for this, but then my question would be: is there a similar 2/3 of our citizens are using iPhones exclusively in any of the other areas that are pushing this legislation?
 
The games industry is a different beast. There isn't one overall dominant platform like there was in the days of the NES. All the major consoles have the option of letting the customer buy games from new-and-used physical retail stores and digital codes from the likes of CDKeys. The PC is an open platform. Every major device offers the user choice in how they purchase their software.
Wrong , you can buy PS+ gift cards , but you can no longer (since 2019) buy and download codes from legal vendors anymore for Playstation , if anything you can look at Xbox and say , hey ? this is a PC , not a console !! it has an AMD APU , standard DRAM , standard Nand , standard PCIE , standard connectors , standard PSU , it can run Windows no problem if MS let you , Xbox is a PC that is pre built and crippled by SW , nothing more , it makes MS much more money which is why the peddle it.
 
One company having complete control over what can be installed on roughly two thirds of Japanese citizen's smartphones would seem to be a realistic need. When a country does something like that, it's called authoritarian, but if a for-profit company does that suddenly it's justified "because capitalism", even though the net effect is largely the same, trampling the rights of consumers and the ability of legitimate businesses to operate.
Authoritarian?? Consumers get to choose which phone they buy and developers get to choose which platforms they develop for. The iPhone/App Store happens to be very popular with consumers which in turn means that it's very popular with app developers. That's why it's so important for the price, quality and selection comparisons to be made. The supposed "authoritarian" iPhone/App Store combo does not have any obvious problems with those things in comparison to Android/Windows/Mac.

The reality is that if the iPhone/App Store weren't popular with consumers then app developers would have bailed on the platform years ago. That's the way the software industry actually works. Do developers put the same effort into 3rd party games on Mac that they do on Windows? Of course not. Windows is the bigger market. Developers don't have any idealistic views on supporting them both to the same level simply because they both allow 3rd party stores or direct internet downloads.
 
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I think in the end, the best solution is the following:

1. Allow multiple app stores on iOS and Android, but each app store must use a common security infrastructure as defined by Apple on iOS and Google on Android.
2. Apple's iMessage and Google's Rich Communications Services need to be merged to provide a singular standard for rich-feature messaging.
 
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But why does apple have to give up revenue on a platform they created? Why should all the other app stores benefit off the work of apple?
Why should other companies give up 30% of their fees on top of their fees they pay Apple for just being a developer, all for just helping Apple make their platform successful? Without other companies iOS would be pretty useless.
 
Japan will be the next to regulate Apple. I have no doubt that all of this will not hurt Apple in any substantial way, but in the decades to come experts will say that the biggest mistake Tim Cook made was not to approach the problem constructively and proactively, but to simply wait and see.
If Apple genuinely believes that they are not in the wrong here, I really see no reason why they should be the ones to give in. Let them continue to do what they believe is right, and see where the dice may fall. And if Apple is indeed forced to open up at the end of the day, then so be it.
 
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Delay, delay, delay is the name of the game. They know as soon as it happens in one country it will happen in every country.
Delays one thing but basically it’s a saying that if you make billions of dollars over a couple years for something that you create for your users that you sell your product to and they’re happy to use well that’s not a good business models will get rid of it
 
I am concerned about platform fees and lock-in with my Sony PlayStation 5. I wonder if Japan is interested in working on that at all.
Maybe they need regulation, too... but the PS5 is not exactly a general purpose device, and the game consoles are generally (at least initially) sold at a loss to create the demand for the software titles released on it. Can you imagine Apple selling a product for a loss?? Hahahaha...
 
Authoritarian?? Consumers get to choose which phone they buy and developers get to choose which platforms they develop for. The iPhone/App Store happens to be very popular with consumers which in turn means that it's very popular with app developers. That's why it's so important for the price, quality and selection comparisons to be made. The supposed "authoritarian" iPhone/App Store combo does not have any obvious problems with those things in comparison to Android/Windows/Mac.

The reality is that if the iPhone/App Store weren't popular with consumers then app developers would have bailed on the platform years ago. That's the way the software industry actually works. Do developers put the same effort into 3rd party games on Mac that they do on Windows? Of course not. Windows is the bigger market. Developers don't have any idealistic views on supporting them both to the same level simply because they both allow 3rd party stores or direct internet downloads.
Yes, authoritarian. What else would you call exercising complete control over software installation of two-thirds of a populaces devices? What do we call it when China, Russia, or Iran does stuff like this? You're giving a pass to Apple simply because they're a corporation rather than a government. Owning an iPhone shouldn't give Apple the power to decide which software I can or cannot install any more than China can just because someone happens to live there.

Headline: Russia prevents population from installing app 'ABC'.
"Fascists!!"

Headline: Apple prevents population from installing app 'ABC'.
"It's just capitalism, bro."
 
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What I don't get is why no one is going after the gaming consoles. Hell, imagine being able to play a ps5 game on your switch. Big tech is big tech, regardless of what device or platform it is.
Because 70% of Japan and 30% of Europe aren't walking around with PS5s or Xbox Series Xs in their pockets every day, interacting with them every waking hour of literally every day.
 
Apple hoarding money? Shocking! Who could have seen this coming from a company worth almost 3 trillion dollars?!
 
It is matter of time to Apple eventually allows the user side load apps. Because this train of 3rd party App Store is getting longer.
 
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when did countries and the EU start thinking they can tell companies how to run themselves.
Consumers have decided I want either Google or Apple, not seeing many complains.
 
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Well what's next? XBox and Playstation have to "open their platforms" to be able to run games from other sources? Sony and MS don't also get a 30% cut for having the games on the platform?
First off, yes please.
Second off, consoles are different from general purpose computing devices.
 
My J-phone could not do what Docomo phones could, why is this any different...oh because it's a foreign company. It is amazing the lengths to which other countries will go to try and force open foreign tech they themselves were incapable of creating.
Our own government, the US, is working on similar legislation. These US companies also have many offices/employees/customers in these other countries. This isn't a foreign company trying to force themselves into the picture.
 
Owning an iPhone shouldn't give Apple the power to decide which software I can or cannot install any more than China can just because someone happens to live there.
Apple doesn't decide which software you can download. Developers decide. Like I mentioned in an earlier post, Mac isn't going to get the game support that Windows does simply because it also allows 3rd party stores and internet downloads. Developers look at the game sales on Mac and prefer to focus on Windows. iPhone and iOS, on the other hand, turned out to be the best platform for selling mobile gaming titles.
 
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Japan will be the next to regulate Apple. I have no doubt that all of this will not hurt Apple in any substantial way, but in the decades to come experts will say that the biggest mistake Tim Cook made was not to approach the problem constructively and proactively, but to simply wait and see.

Opening up Apple's platform is horrible on many levels and it's mostly because people are just stupid. Why? Because as soon as you can side load or point to alternative stores, hacking and Trojan horses will go through the roof. I'm sure a Russian or Chinese sponsored hacking group will open a store with fake apps that will look appealing to lure folks. With no checks and balances, hacks are performance degradation will become an Apple problem and the lawsuits about their devices not working properly or not being secure will pile up. The fact that governments are even looking at this crap shows how corrupt politics are since it's really being driven by the competition pouring money into politician bank accounts. Microsoft and Sony both charge developers 30% for them to host games on the PS or XBOX Store. Not a single peep on that?
 
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People need to calm down. When 3rd party app stores arrive you will still have the choice of whether or not to use them. Nobody will be forced to use a 3rd party app store.
 
Apple doesn't decide which software you can download. Developers decide. Like I mentioned in an earlier post, Mac isn't going to get the game support that Windows does simply because it also allows 3rd party stores and internet downloads. Developers look at the game sales on Mac and prefer to focus on Windows. iPhone and iOS, on the other hand, turned out to be the best platform for selling mobile gaming titles.
Apple does decide. Or can you direct me to where adult content apps exist on the app store?
 
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