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When this iPhone was announced I showed it to a friend who is running with an XR for his daily. We were both stoked for this iPhone. Then the specs came out. While it would have been a nice upgrade from the XR - he was like, A stripped down iPhone for $600 - um, no. Does he use mag safe, no. Does he care about the lack of colors, not really. Does he care about 'Apple Intelligence' or making ai emojis, not at all. While he’s not a fan boy, he does like the iPhone, and just wasn’t interested in this iPhone one bit once the specs came out. I think he’s looking at a refurb 15Pro for the same price rn.

They stripped down unnecessary thing, but you still have new CPU, 8GB RAM, long battery life and good camera without big bump. However their asking price is a bit too high for what it is (at least in the EU).
 
How else do you want to make a budget phone without cuts?
Its NOT a budget phone 🤦‍♂️,..its $AU1000!

Apple is no longer in the budget phone business with this release. This will be the corporate goto as far as work phones go.
 
Please. Apple is a business that creates products. Customers make decisions to buy or not buy those products.

According to a myriad of sources, Apple is among the most beloved companies according to consumers.

But hey, if you can, please quantify this opinion.

Here's a quantification. Apple is the least ****** option. That doesn't make them good at everything. Just the least ******.
 
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Its NOT a budget phone 🤦‍♂️,..its $AU1000!

Apple is no longer in the budget phone business with this release. This will be the corporate goto as far as work phones go.
They never were in the budget phone business.

But yes. Cutting MagSafe and fast charge to save $2.50 on the bom is just … not about reducing the cost but about reducing the features to kick users up to the next model after considering the 16e.

Anyone considering the 16e should be seriously looking at the 15 pro refurb. Seriously.
 
LOL they exclusively use the cable because its their only option

Not to mention magsafe is more than just charging. I have use magsafe to charge (because I'm not buying another charger) but I use it for mounting purposes
 
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They never were in the budget phone business.

But yes. Cutting MagSafe and fast charge to save $2.50 on the bom is just … not about reducing the cost but about reducing the features to kick users up to the next model after considering the 16e.

Anyone considering the 16e should be seriously looking at the 15 pro refurb. Seriously.

Unlike the 15 Pro, I like everything about the new 16e and although it's too big for my taste (prefer the Mini size), I would consider buying one if it was €100-150 cheaper.
 
LOL they exclusively use the cable because its their only option

Not to mention magsafe is more than just charging. I have use magsafe to charge (because I'm not buying another charger) but I use it for mounting purposes

Because most people don't care how they charge their phone and don't want to spend extra money for a different charging option when they already have few cables/chargers at home.
 
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Unlike the 15 Pro, I like everything about the new 16e and although it's too big for my taste (prefer the Mini size), I would consider buying one if it was €100-150 cheaper.

What, you hate magsafe, fast charging, awesome cameras, lidar for better measurement/3d scanning and 120hz displays?

Because the 16e gives up all of that, and Dynamic Island for something thats 100% new vs. refurb with warranty and titanium construction.
 
add MagSafe, ditch OLED screen, ditch the Satellite calling and entry storage at 64GB beginning at $449. Done. I am sure Apple retain their precious margins that way too.
 
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add MagSafe, ditch OLED screen, ditch the Satellite calling and entry storage at 64GB beginning at $449. Done. I am sure Apple retain their precious margins that way too.

Yup, eliminating magsafe and the associated faster wireless charging plus compatibility with all the mounts, etc. was just stupid. Saved them maybe 1% of the BOM cost but screwed their customers into having to buy a tier up to get that.

No, the SE didn't have magsafe either - because it was based on a 10 year old design. This was Apple's chance to fix that, and sell a buttload more magsafe peripherals. But no...
 
They never were in the budget phone business.

But yes. Cutting MagSafe and fast charge to save $2.50 on the bom is just … not about reducing the cost but about reducing the features to kick users up to the next model after considering the 16e.
Classic. Car industry has this strategy down pat.
Anyone considering the 16e should be seriously looking at the 15 pro refurb. Seriously.
I think this is bad advice. Would pick the 16e over the 15 pro. But that is me.
 
I think this is bad advice. Would pick the 16e over the 15 pro. But that is me.

Why?

  • Refurb has new battery and is QC'd.
  • 15pro is titanium, better camera, better display, higher refresh rate, still gets apple intelligence, has lidar for AR/measurement/scanning, magsafe/fast charge, mm wave for find my, etc.
  • the performance difference between the A17pro and A18 base is minimal with A17 pro maybe being faster in GPU anyway (has 50% more GPU cores). both chips are "freaking fast".
  • USB-C port on the 15 pro is USB3, port on the 16e is USB2, 10-20x slower
  • 15 pro has always on display

The 16e is newer, that's about it.
 
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add MagSafe, ditch OLED screen, ditch the Satellite calling and entry storage at 64GB beginning at $449. Done. I am sure Apple retain their precious margins that way too.
How about: Ditch the size - base it on the Mini architecture instead. Still increases the size of the screen over the former ePhone, but not enough to cannibalize sales of the larger size.

eta: Maybe ditch face ID too; use the iPad Mini’s power buttton touch ID.
 
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Why?

  • Refurb has new battery and is QC'd.
  • 15pro is titanium, better camera, better display, higher refresh rate, still gets apple intelligence, has lidar for AR/measurement/scanning, magsafe/fast charge, mm wave for find my, etc.
  • the performance difference between the A17pro and A18 base is minimal with A17 pro maybe being faster in GPU anyway (has 50% more GPU cores). both chips are "freaking fast".
  • USB-C port on the 15 pro is USB3, port on the 16e is USB2, 10-20x slower
  • 15 pro has always on display

The 16e is newer, that's about it.
The last point is my thinking. The 16E is newer. Better battery life and specs. Now if the camera isn't high on one's list of priorities, or doesn't care about magsafe, or lidar or anything else, the 16E is a winner. I don't know if you are assuming that every potential customer cares about a better camera and lidar and magsafe. Plus as someone else pointed out one year more support.
 
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The last point is my thinking. The 16E is newer. Better battery life and specs. Now if the camera isn't high on one's list of priorities, or doesn't care about magsafe, or lidar or anything else, the 16E is a winner. I don't know if you are assuming that every potential customer cares about a better camera and lidar and magsafe. Plus as someone else pointed out one year more support.
1 year extra support is speculation at this point and both include several years of support beyond which the battery will be dying anyway.

Most people buying an iPhone new aren't keeping it more than 3-4 years.

The higher refresh rate screen is instantly noticeable. Faster charging is instantly noticeable.

Anyone realistically testing a 15 pro and 16e back to back would prefer the 15 Pro due to the display, Dynamic Island animations, status updates, etc.
 
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I don't really care about fast wireless charging. If I want to charge my phone fast, I plug it in and that works great

But, I DO care about being able to use magnetic alignment to quickly set my phone down on a Qi charger, or use it with a magnetic car mount. Seems like a really boneheaded omission.

I actually do like the simplified camera arrangement on this phone and would actually consider it (or its successor, if they keep updating it) but losing MagSafe feels like an unnecessary corner to cut.
 
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add MagSafe, ditch OLED screen, ditch the Satellite calling and entry storage at 64GB beginning at $449. Done. I am sure Apple retain their precious margins that way too.
I think at the lower end, a heluvalot of people would prefer 128 GB over MagSafe.

The satellite calling is integrated so there’s no real money to be saved there.
 
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Its NOT a budget phone 🤦‍♂️,..its $AU1000!

Apple is no longer in the budget phone business with this release. This will be the corporate goto as far as work phones go.
Calm your outrage. It's still a budget iPhone. Will break news to you: SE was not a budget phone as well. Plenty of cheaper Android phones.
 
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It's not a 'budget' phone in any shape or form. It's 300 AUD more than the SE 3rd gen was, which was already pretty expensive for a budget phone. When a Google Pixel 8a is over $300 cheaper, has a dual camera setup, higher refresh etc - that would be a 'budget' phone.
Read again. I said "budget iPhone". Whatever other Android phone exists this is entry level iPhone no matter how outraged or angry you will be.

When a Google Pixel 8a is over $300 cheaper, has a dual camera setup, higher refresh etc - that would be a 'budget' phone.
Pixel is also not a budget phone too. $100-$200 is a real budget phone.
 
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add MagSafe, ditch OLED screen, ditch the Satellite calling and entry storage at 64GB beginning at $449. Done. I am sure Apple retain their precious margins that way too.
You would create a lot worse phone than current 16e with which you can solve lack of Magsafe by buying 50 cent magnetic ring sticker or some cheapo case.
 
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Which Android phones have Magsafe/Qi2 magnets?
Qi2 is the new standard and everything is just ramping up. As far as I know there are 1 or 2 by now, but things evolve quickly. Since it is not expensive I‘m quite sure that Android will overtake Apple in terms of magnetic Qi2.
 
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What, you hate magsafe, fast charging, awesome cameras, lidar for better measurement/3d scanning and 120hz displays?

Because the 16e gives up all of that, and Dynamic Island for something thats 100% new vs. refurb with warranty and titanium construction.

Hate is a big word… your list of features are useless (for me) and I won't pay extra for them.
 
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