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Apple Publicly Responds to Complaints of Purple Lens Flare on iPhone 5 Photos
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Yep, as I figured, hence the "I am assuming"...Dude, I know -- it was a parody. I figured that the name of the fictitious interviewee, "Mike Rofoni", along with complaints about the phone's inability for "near-field recording of grenade impacts, low-flying passenger jets and Harley-Davidson engines with the muffler removed" were dead giveaways.
...although you should never assume too much around here.
So according to you designing a phone that has a lot less signal because you have your finger on a quite common spot ISNT a flaw? A flaw that was simply solved by a bumper and later coating the parts?
People take defending the company they like the stuff from too far.
Again, I dont see them haveing a purple washed out image that ruins the image.
Yes but you are still defending all those choices as being "not an issue"
Why cant people complain they like iOS but not the hardware around it?
"buy something else" is then a cop out on a discussion forum like this.
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Besides knowledge of physics of glass? Nah, we got nothin'.
Wauw, you seem to know the details of the production of the iphone 5 .
Oh no wait you dont you just ahppen to know some PR statement nothing more.
I've had the same thing happen on a $60K HD video camera. Professionals know about the purple flare. I've seen it on live golf broadcasts as well. Problem is worst when the sun is at a high angle in the sky. You'll usually not see this in the early or late part of the day.
This is nothing new.
This is nothing new.
Just to add to you comments - the battery life of the iPhone 4S is superior to the Samsung Galaxy S3 (as per Anandtech benchmarks)
Also - the most reported issue for the SG3 is that the Wifi doesn't work. If you like I can dig out the survey.
These pictures aren't even taken from the same position, let alone at the same angle.
Anyone could take two phones and show a poor picture from one and a good picture from another. The fact they aren't even the same makes your post pointless.
Look at the colour of the door in the photo you took with the Optimus V.
It looks much more purple than the iPhone picture.
Not really :
http://www.laptopmag.com/review/smartphones/apple-iphone5.aspx
They are probably around the same.
And you do realise 4s has a 3.5" lower res screen then the S3?
According to me it wasn't a flaw. I don't know anything about any coating, and i don't think having a finger in a "common" spot or "a lot" less signal are true statements. I think people nag, and they took it way too far. The PR was to downplay the consequences of people being sheep.
To be clear: i'm not saying there weren't specific and singled out cases where the flaw becomes a bigger annoyance (for example in low signal area's), but in thhose cases i think people should use headsets and optimize signal by leaving it on a table or something.
No, they have white washed out images that ruin the image. I happen to think the white is more ugly than the purple. That means my image isn't ruined, and yours is. I think you should pick what you like best.
I'm not saying your feelings about the color are wrong. I'm saying they're feelings and not a shortcoming in specs or expected behaviour from an integrated phone-camera.
No it's not. People can complain all they want. People can have the opinion Apple should make gold fairy pixie dust crafted gold wieners. I happen to disagree. I have the opinion that if you don't like hardware specific limits (as Apple states the purple flare is) they can go elsewhere. They aren't entitled to what they think they are entitled to. They can get their money back tho!
I'll add some more opinion: I don't think Apple should have shipped this as is. They tout high standards, they should have tested this and the camera should have been the best one of the lot. So not because i think it's a problem, but because no-one should even be able to nag about anything, the whole lens flare thingy should have been minimized.
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Any lens flair can ruin an image, as well as causing the picture to becoming over exposed.
There never was any coating. The fix was the new antenna design for the CDMA iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S. And having a finger in a common spot that caused a big signal drop off was the issue. It was a true and demonstrated problem.
Play austrich all you want, but frankly, the only reason people stopped talking about it is because Apple made it clear "Free bumpers" was all there was going to be out of it.
So you dont know the problem, but you do know it wasntr a flow and people complaining are sheep while apple was right?
The problem was real and it was clearly a flaw/design issue as it was easily fixed .
http://gizmodo.com/5571171/iphone-4-loses-reception-when-you-hold-it-by-the-antenna-band
http://news.consumerreports.org/ele...verified-consumer-reports-labs-quick-fix.html
Not really a solution for a portable device now is it?
A bumper case solved it easy enough, but I was more talking about how apple adressed the issue : they never admitted it was the design and pointing at a different issue (with simular results) among competitors
Some coincidence ;-)
But yes this is subjective.
Apple can claim all it want, after all its still a company that just wants profit.
I would be quite reluctant to take any company (certainly one like apple who has shown in the past to ignore or avoid talking about design issues) at its word to accuratly descrive issues.
For this reason I think its vital that people independant of the company that can loose moneybecause of the issue find and deal with the real issue at hand.
Depends, if it really is ebcause they used different material and its rare (and the lense is stronger and less prone to scratching) its a trade off wich I can understand.
If its just a coating issue (some say because its a differen material it should be coated different and perhaps apple didnt realise this) or something else they could have prevented and it actually hampers the usability then its not OK .
Again the questions isnt, does lense flare exist" is "does the iphone 5 suffer more from it and could it have been prevented"
According to dpreview
Is it internal reflections / Lens flare?
Almost certainly, yes. The most likely cause of the iPhone 5's purple haze is probably lens flare and internal reflections in the camera lens assembly. All lenses are succeptable to lens flare to some degree, and as you can see from the images at the top of this page, the iPhone 4S isn't immune either (ditto the iPhone 4 and competitive smartphones from other manufacturers).
But in our shooting we've found that it's a little more noticeable on the iPhone 5. So why is that? It's unlikely that the flare is solely due to the much-vaunted inclusion of a sapphire glass lens cover (although the refractive index of the sapphire glass is different to conventional optical glass, so it could be a contributing factor). Our money is on it being caused by a combination of different things, none of which, alone, is unique to the iPhone 5.
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/6867454450/quick-review-apple-iphone-5-camera/3
Well... That's kinda my point. Most people that are iPhone photographers are people who know very little about photography and wouldn't even know what lens flare is. Those that are complaining about it are a small minority. I'm not saying is isn't an issue, just that characterizing the complaints as an "uproar" is a gross exaggeration.
I'd bet dollars to donuts that I have far more knowledge of photography than you.
Sorry, Scruffy, that, right there (the one line post I responded to) is where you attempted to argue from authority.
You've claimed that because Apple addressed the issue that it must be something unique to the iPhone 5. Apple's response to the issue, however, is to give the same advice a basic photography tutorial would give you. And they gave it for the exact same reason.
You claimed that it doesn't happen on the 4s. One picture where it does is all it takes to disprove that claim. There are plenty of pictures (again, even posted in this thread) where the 5 has normal, white flare. Does *that* mean it never happens on the 5?
I can't help it if *you* can't remember what your claims were, or understand how they're being contradicted and disproved even in posts which you've acknowledged by responding to them.
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Look at the photos at the top of the article that started this thread. Then tell me the 4s doesn't have the purple flare.
Look at some of the other photos published and linked to in this thread (two good examples linked to by me earlier) which demonstrate that this phenomena can (and does) happen even with DSLRs.
It's a matter of optics, not a design flaw of the iPhone 5.
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DPReview *did* do a review of the iPhone 5 camera. It's been linked to in this thread. They touch on the purple flare issue, and conclude it's something that happens with any lens, *especially* for lenses this size.
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Check the photo at the top of the article that started this thread. There's a good example of a camera in a comparable phone at the same spot in the same conditions showing this same effect.
Note: The *vast* majority of 'comparison' photos posted to this thread fail at one or both of the 'same spot' criteria and the 'same conditions' criteria. The ones you, in particular, seem to like can't keep a light source less than 4 feet from the camera bracketed even *close* to the same position in the 'comparison' photos. (In some, it's only visible along the top edge. In others it's only visible along the left edge. In some only a small sliver of it is visible. In others a large chunk of the lamp is visible.) These are not small or insignificant differences when you're looking at this issue.
It's not about moving inches side to side. It's about changing the angle at which the camera is held by just a few degrees. (That's been explained to you earlier, but you're still clinging to the 'inches' of linear movement thing.
)As has been stated (over and over) in every discussion about this, the occurrence of the purple flare phenomena is *highly* dependent on the position and angle of the light source relative to the lens. It is also dependent upon focus and aperture settings.
Check page 13 of this thread for a trio of photos taken with an iPhone 5. They are framed more similarly than the photos you're clinging to, yet only *one* of them demonstrates the purple flare phenomena.
That's a perfect example of just how small a change in framing can completely remove this effect.
Of course you can have chromatic distortion. But lens makers have used coated optics for most of the last century so seeing this effect is not normal.
Which is true. As with every camera, if you don't want a lens flare, YOU'RE angling the camera incorrectly.
The 5 has a much higher propensity for lens flare than the 4 or 4S. This is the issue. Not that lens flare occurs.
The only thing that those of us who admit there is a problem the only thing we can do is to not let this die. Keep calling Apple Support, keep submitting feedback and do not let up.
Yeah, my other phones don't do this:
http://asset2.cbsistatic.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2012/10/07/photo_%2817%29_610x413.jpg
Hi all, greetings from Finland! Yes the purpple haze is there BUT I have a bigger problem with my iPhone5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0B6WNEl6Q0
My co-worker has the same problem. Both of the phones were bought from a same retail store. Any ideas?? I guess / hope it is only a software problem....
My co-worker has the same problem. Both of the phones were bought from a same retail store. Any ideas?? I guess / hope it is only a software problem....