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Apple Pulls 10.2.8 Software Updater

Re: Re: Re: Wow - pulled it?

Originally posted by coolbreeze
I'm not saying this is a conspiracy, but Apple needs to explain the other problems (i.e. blank icons, system slowdowns, battery issues, etc). It is apparently deeper than Ethernet problems on Power Macs.
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Maybe Apple was unable to replicate any other problems on their own computers.

Oh, I had another problem. I keep getting blown up too easily in EV Nova. Oh, wait, that's my fault, not the OS's...?
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Wow - pulled it?

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
Maybe Apple was unable to replicate any other problems on their own computers.

Oh, I had another problem. I keep getting blown up too easily in EV Nova. Oh, wait, that's my fault, not the OS's...?
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I understand the numerous problems reported on numerous discussion boards may be unique to customers and not Apple itself, but the complications still remain. We (or I) just want a good (non-Microsoft-is-h) update. I run both platforms, and at the present time and I feel like I just ran windows update on my Thinkpad andiBook........
 
Re: Re: Re: x.2.8

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
Each time you reboot, actually. At least in my experience.
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only if you like being annoyed. if you click "always allow" it will stop bugging you completely, till you modify the system with an update, and then you have to verify everything again.
 
No probs here

Updated 17" and 15" iMacs, dual 1 Gig G4, Cube- updated with 1 Gig PowerLogix board and new video card, last week's 17" PB G4 and all are working flawlessly. I feel I am missing something...oh yes, the 1.8G G5, but that didn't need it!
 
My 10.2.8 experience

I installed the 10.2.8 update this morning (and right now, I'm connecting through dialup, so this is no small task). I got home from work today and decided to take the update out for a spin.

For the record, I have a DP 1gHz wind tunnel (1st generation) with everything stock, except for added RAM and a CD-R in the second optical drive bay.
For the record, I have never downloaded or installed any pre-release Apple software (ie. Panther).
For the record, the only hacks/mods I am running are LaunchBar and TransparentDock (I believe), which is only set to make hidden app icons appear semi-translucent in the Dock.

So I was reading through this thread in Safari, at about page 5 or so, trying out all of the apps which people were having problems with (which all worked fine, by the way), and I was thinking, "Man, I'm glad my computer works fine. Sucks for these punks." :cool:

Then, as if the Karmic wheel pulled an abrupt about-face, it happened. I clicked on System Preferences in the Dock, and it opened, but it hid Safari. I put down my peanut butter and jelly sandwich. I clicked on Safari, and it came up, but hid System Preferences. I cmd-tabbed back to System Preferences, and it came up, but hid Safari. The sandwich remained uneaten. So it goes.

At this point, I scratched my head and said, "weird," and switched Safari to see if anyone else was having my problem. I clicked the link to the next page, and a download window popped up. Safari wanted to download showthread.php. So it goes.

Having come to this particular crossroads, I quit everything and rebooted. I've been trying to break the machine for the last hour, to no avail. Everything is working great, and bloody fast too. Safari and all the iApps spring to life when opened. Office, despite its bloatiness, opens forthwith. And on and on.

So the moral of this story is: if your machine boots up in the first place, and if you are having weird problems with 10.2.8, try a reboot if you haven't already (although you really should have by now). Things will work out--they always do. Just be glad Apple cared enough to pull this update as quick as they did, and rest assured that some folks in Cupertino will be pulling all-nighters the next few days until this thing is rock-solid.

Good luck kids,

bm

PS - on an unrelated note: if you ever want to ruin a perfectly good peanut butter and jelly sandwich, make it with low-carb bread. I have eaten sand that has better flavor and texture. Just thought you should know. :D
 
"Clear Dock" works if "Transparent Dock" doesn't

For those suckas who are having trouble with the Transparent Dock app, I installed Clear Dock and am having no problems with 10.2.8

In fact, I installed Clear Dock after reading about it an a thread yesterday. I usually pick up a naughty hack app or two every update when I hear reports about unusual apps not being broken.

PS- My girlfriend made me add the "suckas" in the first line. My apologies to any offended parties :D
 
Originally posted by SiliconAddict
LOL.. You obviously never dealt with Windows Service Pack updates. In my travels I've run across more then a few SP updates from Windows NT 4 to Windows 2000 that have seriously F-ed up the system. My fav being Compaq servers running SMART RAID. The sys file was incompatible with SP6a so it blew up the system. Total BSOD on boot. MS had to release and updated ver of SP 6a to fix the problem.
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So let me get this straight. You blame MS for a release that didn't work on a proprietary compaq POS (which working in EDU we learned never buy compaq again)...even though Compaq generally has access to server service packs for months before release to test for issues. Microsoft doesn't control every hardware platform, it is up to vendors and their users testing the betas to report problems. I've been in the NT service pack betas, they are long betas, its not like Compaq didn't know about it.

So you are blaming MS for either a Compaq screwup, or MS knew and reported the issue in the release notes and you probably ignored them and installed without checking to see if it effected your machine.

Typical bashing of MS. Hardware configuration / driver problems are almost always a manufacturer's problem, not an MS problem. People like to blame MS for blue screens, but you should really look at the vendor who wrote the driver. Thats like blaming Apple if a 3rd party driver trashed the system and made it refuse to boot.

To make things worse, Apple has complete control of their released hardware configurations. This leaves Apple with very little excuse for releasing an update as bad as this was. MS on the other hand has a beta testing room with about 1000 computers, with automated testing tools to test for compatibility issues. But with all the mfg configurations out there, they can never have them all. In the end, it is always upto the mfg to make sure software works on their machines the way its supposed to, and if it doesn't, report the issue and work with the vendor to fix it.
 
Works just fine for me. Dual 1ghz, no beta OS ever...1.25gb of ram, 1tb of HD space... although I have had the problem of applications hiding upon switch before (in every prior version of the OS) I always figured it was normal and because of something I accidentally pressed while high.
 
The update works great for me. Mounting und unmounting windows shares is much faster than with 10.2.6. Now more spinning Beachballs there. :)

I also experienced the desktop icon problem, but the icons were back to normal after a second reboot.
 
Originally posted by shadowfax
how long had it been since your last restart? you may be confusing performance enhancement with something like a fresh log in. i have a GHz TiBook, and i am not seeing any kind of speed improvements on the gui... and i hadn't restarted in 40 days, heh.
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I think it had been up for a few days since my last boot. However, from what I understand, OSX runs best when the programs you use are already in memory - ie not a fresh login.

The differences I've noticed are definitely more like an improved graphics driver, or a faster quartz engine.

I've been trying loads of different apps and it feels like my Mhz has gone up. I've always found the 667 slow, but it now seems much more usable.

Maybe some of the code from Panther is in there?
 
ImacDV 400, external lacie d2 160gb...loads and loads of OS hacks of which only tranparent dock failed to work.

What is it with Apple lately? Most of their iApps seem to be beta or alpha quality, have they cut back on their software dev department or are they just concentrating resources on Panther development?

just woke up- need caffine and a fag (or smoke if you are a yank)

suppose the rule with an Apple software update is now 'look before you leap'
 
Originally posted by Neuro
The differences I've noticed are definitely more like an improved graphics driver, or a faster quartz engine.
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There are new graphics drivers included in 10.2.8., maybe "borrowed" from Panther. Has anyone more on this?
 
Man, I thought Apple has the best QC.

I downloaded the 40 something MB 10.2.8 patch to the DT on Monday just before I left the lab. I was waiting for more user feedback 'cause I read some problem posts about it.

... now, what should I do w/ this patch... oh well, guess I'll just have to wait for the good one. Don't want to mess up the system, it's got some very crucial data on it.
 
Originally posted by dguisinger
So let me get this straight. You blame MS for a release that didn't work on a proprietary compaq POS (which working in EDU we learned never buy compaq again)...even though Compaq generally has access to server service packs for months before release to test for issues. Microsoft doesn't control every hardware platform, it is up to vendors and their users testing the betas to report problems. I've been in the NT service pack betas, they are long betas, its not like Compaq didn't know about it.

So you are blaming MS for either a Compaq screwup, or MS knew and reported the issue in the release notes and you probably ignored them and installed without checking to see if it effected your machine.

Typical bashing of MS. Hardware configuration / driver problems are almost always a manufacturer's problem, not an MS problem. People like to blame MS for blue screens, but you should really look at the vendor who wrote the driver. Thats like blaming Apple if a 3rd party driver trashed the system and made it refuse to boot.

To make things worse, Apple has complete control of their released hardware configurations. This leaves Apple with very little excuse for releasing an update as bad as this was. MS on the other hand has a beta testing room with about 1000 computers, with automated testing tools to test for compatibility issues. But with all the mfg configurations out there, they can never have them all. In the end, it is always upto the mfg to make sure software works on their machines the way its supposed to, and if it doesn't, report the issue and work with the vendor to fix it.
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Since its 3Am I don't feel totally getting into it, Suffice it to say that POS as you call it that runs NT 4 has been up and running for 3 years with NO downtime. The last time we did an update with for Y2K. I'd suggest moding your attitude its obvious from the post you have no details on this issue and are mouthing off with NO facts.
It was MS's POS service pack that had an incompatibility with a MS provided Compaq RAID driver. Know how I know? We didn't install any drivers for the RAID when the system was rolled out. The OS defaults were used. Also no mention in the tech notes about needing an updated RAID driver. That came later after the cluster**** was discovered.
I bash MS because I KNOW MS. My office that I manage is 100% Microsoft Windows/Office/Visio/etc/etc based. You want to start talking about windows. I know it. Why do you think I'm looking at getting a Mac??!?!

We recently rolled out W2K SP4 to 164 systems in the office. 94 desktops, 70 laptops. All Dell, all running the exact same W2K image that I created. Of those I redid 16 machines from scratch because SP4 blew them up. 8 other systems have not been the same since the install with the screen sitting at applying system policies for a good 10 minutes which makes me believe the update broke something in windows. Nothing in the log files to confirm this though but its obvious something bad happened. Identical configurations with system policies in place to keep users from installing any additional software so that is NOT a factor. MS patches are flaky and down right dangerous. PERIOD. Goodnight.
 
Originally posted by SiliconAddict
Since its 3Am I don't feel totally getting into it, Suffice it to say that POS as you call it that runs NT 4 has been up and running for 3 years with NO downtime. The last time we did an update with for Y2K. I'd suggest moding your attitude its obvious from the post you have no details on this issue and are mouthing off with NO facts.
It was MS's POS service pack that had an incompatibility with a MS provided Compaq RAID driver. Know how I know? We didn't install any drivers for the RAID when the system was rolled out. The OS defaults were used. Also no mention in the tech notes about needing an updated RAID driver. That came later after the cluster**** was discovered.
I bash MS because I KNOW MS. My office that I manage is 100% Microsoft Windows/Office/Visio/etc/etc based. You want to start talking about windows. I know it. Why do you think I'm looking at getting a Mac??!?!

We recently rolled out W2K SP4 to 164 systems in the office. 94 desktops, 70 laptops. All Dell, all running the exact same W2K image that I created. Of those I redid 16 machines from scratch because SP4 blew them up. 8 other systems have not been the same since the install with the screen sitting at applying system policies for a good 10 minutes which makes me believe the update broke something in windows. Nothing in the log files to confirm this though but its obvious something bad happened. Identical configurations with system policies in place to keep users from installing any additional software so that is NOT a factor. MS patches are flaky and down right dangerous. PERIOD. Goodnight.
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Are you really arguing about who hates M$ more? Don't get me wrong, I've got plenty of ways I waste my own time during each day, I just wanted to double check... :D
 
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(Powerbook G4 1gHz, Ti)

Well, it was all good... until the update failed (twice), then on the third time said it was successful. It then proceeded to get stuck on a lovely attractive grey and white screen all evening, until I hard reset it in the morning.

Now battery life (on a full charge is 1:12) and the machine is slow as a dog. And it whistles, which is very curious.

Why!!?!
 
Originally posted by Mephisto
Works just fine for me. Dual 1ghz, no beta OS ever...1.25gb of ram, 1tb of HD space... although I have had the problem of applications hiding upon switch before (in every prior version of the OS) I always figured it was normal and because of something I accidentally pressed while high.
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uh, like the 'alt' key?

If you press that while switching apps you'll hide the previous one. It's not a bug, it's a feature.:eek:
 
I'm so glad I didn't update! After the problems I had with either 10.2.4/5 (can't rememeber which) I decided I'd never update straight away, looks like it paid off this time :D
 
Re: Re: Re: x.2.8

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
Each time you reboot, actually. At least in my experience.

My iMac 400 went from screen saver to kernel panic. Very curious. Thankfully, I won't have to deal with it much longer because my PowerBook is delivered tomorrow! HA HA, SUCKERS!

(Wasn't there a security update or something similar awhile ago that would nuke your home directory? I think I remember something like that.)
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I've never had to do this after a simple reboot, but every time I've updated the OS in some way, even after some relatively minor patches. Luckily, I've had no problems with 10.2.8 (so far).

Apple's going to have to find a way to fix the patch as well as undo the damage caused by the pulled version. Hopefully, it's simply a matter of replacing a file or two. I'd hate to have to reinstall 10.2 and then run an updater.
 
Anyone have the kext file?

One of our G4 DP machines at work lost its ethernet after the update, does anyone have a working link to the AppleGMACEthernet.kext driver that works on these machines?

Thanks,

Dan
 
No probs here...

....on a 1GB iMac. Sleeps, boots, ethernet is okay. I kinda like that they pulled the update after I installed. Makes me feel like a lone wolf rebel with a chip on my shoulder and nothing to lose.
 
Many years ago, back in the System 7 days, after messing up my computer royally with a new upgrade I've learned to wait for a few weeks and read the feedback on the forums and see if Apple makes any changes.
 
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