Apple Pulls iPhone 7 and iPhone 8 Models From Sale in Germany Amid Legal Battle With Qualcomm

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Yesterday chipmaker Qualcomm announced that it posted EUR1.34 billion in security bonds required for the chipmaker to enforce a preliminary injunction on select iPhone models in Germany, after a court in the country found Apple to be infringing Qualcomm patents related to power savings technology in smartphones.


    The injunction blocks the import and sale of infringing iPhone models in Germany while Apple appeals the verdict, and accordingly, Apple has now pulled the iPhone 7, iPhone 7 Plus, iPhone 8, and iPhone 8 Plus from sale in the country.

    Those four iPhone models are no longer available to order via in Germany and they have also been pulled from sale at all 15 of Apple's retail stores in the country until further notice. The latest iPhone XS, iPhone XS Max, and iPhone XR models are not impacted by the verdict and remain available.

    Qualcomm's equivalent of $1.5 billion in security bonds will cover the cost of the lost sales if Apple successfully appeals the verdict.

    Apple was also ordered to recall infringing iPhone models from third-party resellers in Germany, according to Qualcomm, but as noted by TechCrunch and Reuters, some German resellers continue to sell iPhone 7 and iPhone 8 models.

    In a statement, Apple said this verdict is another "desperate attempt" by Qualcomm to distract from the "real issues" between the two companies:
    Apple and Qualcomm are engaged in a major legal battle spanning multiple countries. The spat began in early 2017 when Apple sued Qualcomm for an alleged $1 billion in unpaid royalty rebates, just days after an FTC complaint alleging Qualcomm engaged in anticompetitive patent licensing practices.

    In defense, Qualcomm has said its "innovations are at the heart of every iPhone" and "enable the most important uses and features of those devices," adding that it "simply is untrue that Qualcomm is seeking to collect royalties for Apple innovations that have nothing to do with Qualcomm's technology."

    Qualcomm has also accused Apple of making misleading statements, sharing its trade secrets with Intel, and numerous other infractions.

    Qualcomm sought a similar injunction on iPhones in the United States, unsuccessfully, and in China, where a court did issue an import ban on select iPhone models over patent infringement last month. Apple made some tweaks in iOS 12.1.2 to address the patents and continues to sell all iPhone models in China.

    Article Link: Apple Pulls iPhone 7 and iPhone 8 Models From Sale in Germany Amid Legal Battle With Qualcomm
  2. Koudspeel macrumors regular


    Apr 8, 2013
  3. iPhysicist macrumors 65816


    Nov 9, 2009
    There goes the chance for the people to buy reasonable priced phones directly from Apple!
  4. AngerDanger macrumors 68040


    Dec 9, 2008
    Yeah, they changed the force close animation (swipe up) without even considering the one I suggested:

  5. thekeyring macrumors 68040

    Jan 5, 2012
    I'll never understand how iPhone sales are banned, but the court couldn't decide on whether the Samsung Galaxy was an iPhone rip off or not.
  6. djcerla macrumors 68000


    Apr 23, 2015
    Sad bargaining chip obtained thru silly patents.
  7. 555gallardo, Jan 4, 2019
    Last edited by a moderator: Jan 4, 2019

    555gallardo macrumors regular


    Jan 16, 2016
    First, Apple ignores royalties. Then they mock the manufacturer as doing "desperate attempts".
  8. Jsameds macrumors 68040

    Apr 22, 2008
    Qualcomm is doomed.
  9. 69Mustang macrumors 603


    Jan 7, 2014
    In between a rock and a hard place
    Silver lining? Maybe more Germans will buy R's, S's, and Max's.
  10. NBAasDOGG macrumors 6502


    May 27, 2017
    Apples market share is already utterly bad in EU due to high prices. In EU most Apple product are 20-30% more expensive when compared to US.

    Apple must DIE!
  11. Infinite Vortex macrumors member

    Infinite Vortex

    Mar 6, 2015
    Being in breach of a patent is nothing more than theft of intellectual property. Theft is theft no matter how small and seemingly insignificant. Apple pursues patent breaches just as vigorously in the reverse and is often on the side of these things so can't really cry and complain when it doesn't go their way.

    And really, I'd behave a little pissy too if someone didn't pay a $1,000,000,000 royalty bill.
  12. Kanyay Suspended


    Dec 14, 2018
    Mar-a-Lago, Russia
    they finna just buy from ebay or some **** if they really want it.
    its a shame, but the selfie cam on the xs MAX is good (proof: profile pic)
  13. MacRazySwe macrumors 6502a

    Aug 7, 2007
  14. YaBe macrumors 6502a


    Oct 5, 2017
    Hopefully Qualcomm will go "thermonuclear" on this!
  15. SoN1NjA macrumors 68000


    Feb 3, 2016
    the pool
    Or none at all since the prices are ridiculous
  16. The Don Onez macrumors member

    Nov 7, 2017
    Huntsville, AL
    The patents are not silly. Apple already agrees that they need and use them. I thought the issue is how much Qualcomm was charging to used said patents.
  17. AlexJoda macrumors 6502a


    Apr 8, 2015

    That is not true if you compare the prices without tax.....(but they are still too expensive for my liking...)
  18. ChaMouse macrumors newbie

    Jun 14, 2010
    Apple's price in EU is indeed higher, but not at 20-30% premium.
    Many seem to forget that EU price includes VAT already.

    iPhone XR 64GB in Germany 849EUR including 19% VAT.
    Pre-Tax price would be 713.45EUR, roughly 812 USD, which is only 8% higher than US price.
    That being said, even based on US price, latest iPhone is still overpriced...
  19. I7guy macrumors P6


    Nov 30, 2013
    Gotta be in it to win it
    Apple must die? Just don’t buy their products, then.
  20. 555gallardo macrumors regular


    Jan 16, 2016
    On the other hand, this "Court Card" fits well into Apple's plans. They can now boost lackluster sales of iPhone XR/XS/XS Max models by selling only those models in at least one developed market (Germany in this case) and blame it on court, Qualcomm or whoever they want to.
  21. Achillias macrumors 6502


    Dec 1, 2011
    Apple is getting a taste of their own medicine. Don't mind it. Just pay them.
  22. Martius macrumors 6502


    Jul 12, 2008
    Prague, CZ
    Only 8%? It should be 0%... that 8% is like $80-100 more (Xs) for no reason.
  23. orbital~debris macrumors 6502a


    Mar 3, 2004
    England, UK, Europe
    ‘After’ - How the iPhone lineup should look everywhere!
  24. JRobinsonJr macrumors 6502a

    Aug 20, 2015
    Arlington, Texas
    With all due respect, the patents that Qualcomm is leveraging *ARE* silly. Doesn't mean they aren't valid. Doesn't mean that Apple doesn't also enforce silly patents. Just don't confuse "valid" with "reasonable". In the patent world those have zero correlation.
  25. ColdShadow macrumors 65816


    Sep 25, 2013
    They shouldn’t be selling iPhone 7 in 2019 to begin with.
    This is the issue,iPhone selling model in Jobs area was different and much more fair..
    every year they released 2 models and these would replace last model for the same price.and the old model would be discontinued..

    Thats how many “premium” brands work,they release few models and replace old model.

    now days Apple keeps selling few years old phones,so that they can get away with jacking up the new models price significantly every time.

    This business model is very unfair to the customer.
    but we can see how it’s coming back and bite them hard now.

    Thats the result greed for them.

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