Apple Pulls iPhone 7 and iPhone 8 Models From Sale in Germany Amid Legal Battle With Qualcomm

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  1. oneMadRssn macrumors 601


    Sep 8, 2011
    New England
    Neither company is a good guy here. Apple has been thumbing their nose at courts all over the world for a long time now, ignoring orders and really testing the extent to which they can delay and refuse compliance.

    Qualcomm definitely abused their IP and is just pissy they don't have a psudo monopoly in RF anymore. They've also been known to royally rip off smaller companies that simply couldn't afford to fight them in court.

    This is a problem that really extends to all the big tech companies: Amazon and Google included. They're getting too big. It's nearly nothing for them to throw a $10mil budget at a bluechip law firm or two and tell them to frustrate, stall, and delay by any means necessary. On top of that, at least Apple has been making the argument in the US that they're too big and too important to enjoin, and at least one judge has bought the argument. That's crazy!

    I have little faith it will happen, but we need some regulators with balls to break up these companies. At least Apple, Google, and Amazon need to be broken up into smaller companies.
  2. deebinem macrumors regular


    May 7, 2017
    It's Macrumors! You know there's a penchant for the dramatic in here.
  3. timber macrumors 6502

    Aug 30, 2006
    Yeah, a bunch of platitudes. Supply meets demand, who would have guessed that.

    I don't care how anyone spends their money. Well, assuming they don't prevent me from doing what I want to, I don't care about anything anybody does.

    What I do care about are products I love to use, like Apple's products (among others) and therefore I wish a long term success for those who provide the stuff I like. It is a bit selfish. For example I don't really care about Huawei or "insert meaningless company".
  4. kruegdude macrumors 6502


    Aug 10, 2011
    Tyler area, Texas
    That and Apple getting $1.5 billion when Apple successfully appeals the verdict.
  5. 69Mustang macrumors 603


    Jan 7, 2014
    In between a rock and a hard place
    Honestly, unless there's some tangible benefit for consumers -like lower pricing, I don't care who wins. Two mega corps fighting over who's going to pay whom more money interests me intellectually, but from a practical standpoint... meh.
  6. kruegdude macrumors 6502


    Aug 10, 2011
    Tyler area, Texas
    Then I must have misunderstood your post that I replied to that showed a benefit to Apple by them selling more current generation devices. My bad.
  7. one more macrumors 6502a

    one more

    Aug 6, 2015
  8. omihek macrumors 6502


    May 3, 2014
    Salt Lake City, UT
    Plot twist! Apple and Qualcomm are secretly working together to boost Xs, Xs Max, and Xr sales.
  9. 69Mustang macrumors 603


    Jan 7, 2014
    In between a rock and a hard place
    No you didn't misunderstand and not your bad.:) I just stated it could benefit Apple's flagship sales. It wasn't a declaration of like or dislike of Apple. It was just a statement of a possible outcome. I just like certain Apple products. Brands don't mean much to me beyond how the products they represent fit into my routines. I can recognize the good, bad, and the ugly of Apple (or any company) without being emotionally invested. So you're all good.
  10. laz232 macrumors 6502

    Feb 4, 2016
    At a café near you
    IIRC Samsung lawsuit was about trade-dress. This is a patent suit.
    Very different law cases
  11. gnasher729 macrumors P6


    Nov 25, 2005
    The damaged caused when Apple successfully appeals. $1.5bn is the maximum the judge thought possible. So the longer it takes, the more it costs.

    If Apple is confident, they should give every new customer an XR for the price of a 7/8 if they sign that they wanted a 7/8 and were absolutely not willing to pay the price for an XR. Result: lots of sales and Qualcomm pays for it.
  12. testcard macrumors 68040


    Apr 13, 2009
    Northumbria, UK
    I hate to be picky, but the convention is usually ‘Before’ followed by ‘After.’
  13. Shiro_Simba Suspended


    Sep 28, 2018
    If apple drops the price ;)

    Sadly EU pricing is painful :(
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    Did not expect this to happen so fast .

    It’s a crap start to 2019 for Apple .

    If the throttle lawsuits get traction, this is not going to be a year being CEO means travelling the world and spreading SJW messages , time to bunker down in HQ .

    Apple is not doomed in any way , though they face hurdles , as investeors are going to start turning on them, as we already see in lawsuit actions - very petty.
  14. gim macrumors 6502


    Jul 27, 2014
    Not happening. iPhone prices in Germany are even more ridiculous than in the U.S.
    I know, I know, sales tax, not Apple's fault.

    Thing is, devices from other brands are reasonably priced. A Galaxy S9 costs half of what an XS costs right now, and that's not even a special deal, just standard pricing.
  15. simonmet macrumors 68000


    Sep 9, 2012
    For a start they make cellular modems which are more capable and many prefer over the Intel equivalent Apple is now using. Pretty crucial chipset for a phone.
  16. Victor Mortimer macrumors regular

    Victor Mortimer

    Apr 17, 2016
    They used to sell the greatest email client in history, Eudora.

    These days, they're pretty much just a patent troll.
  17. I7guy macrumors P6


    Nov 30, 2013
    Gotta be in it to win it
    It’s exactly the time for the ceo to get out and spreading the message, let the corporate attorneys and outside counsel handle the legal matters. Apple is used to dealing with 60 to 100 lawsuits at a time.
  18. kruegdude macrumors 6502


    Aug 10, 2011
    Tyler area, Texas
    I am absolutely head over heals in love with my Intel modem in my XS. It’s almost obscene how much in love I am with this modem. You’re going to have to pry it from my cold dead hands. That’s how much in love I am ... with a modem ... from Intel ... because I care about chipsets so much.
  19. Bacillus, Jan 4, 2019
    Last edited: Jan 4, 2019

    Bacillus Suspended


    Jun 25, 2009
    Surprise: the lineup gets rationalised and the Premium proposition reinforced
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    You’re not alone. Modem porn is definitely making inroads...
  20. dampfnudel macrumors 68030

    Aug 14, 2010
    Brooklyn, NY
    Well, as long as they don’t have to pull the Xs, Xs Plus & Xr, but not having a lower priced iPhone for more “price-aware” Germans which probably accounts for the vast majority, this ban will hurt Apple there for sure.
  21. iMEric984 macrumors regular


    Oct 20, 2018
    How is it unfair to offer multiple models at LOWER prices than the newest and greatest.
    I’d say that’s the opposite of greed. Apple still sells brand new iPhone 7 and 8 generations which are still fantastic phones even today, starting at $449. If people don’t want to pay the premium for the newest, and obviously more expensive, they can still get a great phone for much cheaper.

    News flash. Apple isn’t forcing anyone at gunpoint to spend $1000 on a new iPhone. If you’re unhappy with their prices, shop elsewhere.
  22. ggibson913 macrumors 6502a


    Sep 11, 2006
    They didn't ignore the royalties, as I understand it the initial contract between Apple and Qualcomm expired. Apple chose to go with Intel modems rather than Qualcomm's so as not to pay the even higher royalties that Qualcomm wanted. So according to Qualcomm, Apple can't do that because they essentially own the patent to every smartphone in existence which is a ludicrous assertion.
  23. gvanvoor macrumors newbie

    Oct 24, 2013
    You mean an X version of the SE ? I wouldn't mind that. Don't even care if they put the X before or after the SE.
  24. MacRazySwe macrumors 6502a

    Aug 7, 2007
    ...And Apple have just lowered prices for Chinese retailers. Will be interesting to see if this will extend to Germany soon.
  25. OlliFlamme macrumors regular


    Jan 2, 2018
    Perhaps, the presence of iPhone 7 and 8 is due to those ever piling stock of not sold phones of their era?

    On the other hand, it makes sense to keep a home buttoned device in the lineup that obviously is cheaper. I personally hate not having a button or a bezel. That made me sell my X and revert back to a 7 Plus after some weeks (which I now upgraded to a 8 Plus after a lowered price.)

    So, in a way, keeping the 8 might be admitting that perhaps people don't actually like those immersive full screen phones? It's like technological progress for the sake of progress: it doesn't solve any absolute problem.

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