Apple Pulls iPhone 7 and iPhone 8 Models From Sale in Germany Amid Legal Battle With Qualcomm

[YaBe]

With all due respect, the patents that Qualcomm is leveraging *ARE* silly..

Just as rounded edges were for Apple Vs Samsung, but that did not stop Apple.... why should it (being silly) stop Qualcomm?

Also If you could make money out of something silly, would you lose said money just for that reason? What would you tell to your investors?


"Sorry guys we could have made a tons of money , but I thought it was silly...."

 

[tkermit]

‘After’ - How the iPhone lineup should look everywhere!

I was about to say. The lineup does look like it's been simplified a lot in the After picture... only thing missing is a smaller/less expensive version of the X.

 

[hlfway2anywhere]

They shouldn’t be selling iPhone 7 in 2019 to begin with.
This is the issue,iPhone selling model in Jobs area was different and much more fair..
every year they released 2 models and these would replace last model for the same price.and the old model would be discontinued..

You are revising history. I worked in Apple retail during the jobs era and specifically remember the iPhone 3G remained the entry level iPhone when the 3GS came out, and then the 3GS became entry level model when the iPhone 4 came out. They were not discontinued.

 

[The Don Onez]

Ok I can sorta agree with that. Some patents cant be stilly, but if these patents are "silly" then why are they so important? How can wifi and cellular connectivity patents be "silly".

With all due respect, the patents that Qualcomm is leveraging *ARE* silly. Doesn't mean they aren't valid. Doesn't mean that Apple doesn't also enforce silly patents. Just don't confuse "valid" with "reasonable". In the patent world those have zero correlation.

 

[YaBe]

You are revising history. I worked in Apple retail during the jobs era and specifically remember the iPhone 3G remained the entry level iPhone when the 3GS came out, and then the 3GS became entry level model when the iPhone 4 came out. They were not discontinued.

To be fair keeping the 7 would be more like keeping the 3g model while selling the 4 as current as the 7 is 2 gen behind not one as in the Jobs era.

 

[orbital~debris]

I was about to say. The lineup does look like it's been simplified a lot in the After picture... only thing missing is a smaller/less expensive version of the X.

Haha, agreed - I almost added that to my post.

An iPhone mini/nano (or just plain ‘iPhone’) in the form of a miniaturised Xr/Xs would certainly round out the lineup in a pleasing way!

 

[MikeSmoke]

Qualcomm must be very confident in their case with putting up the bond.

 

[Enclavean]

Yeah, they changed the force close animation (swipe up) without even considering the one I suggested:

What do you use to make these and why arent you doing paid work instead

 

[pete2106]

Qualcomm is doomed.

MacRumors is doomed

 

[KPandian1]

Apples market share is already utterly bad in EU due to high prices. In EU most Apple product are 20-30% more expensive when compared to US.
Apple must DIE!

So are other premium smartphones!

Very passionate about this, aren't you.

 

[Baymowe335]

Apple just set a record for revenue in Germany.

 

[tridley68]

I'll never understand how iPhone sales are banned, but the court couldn't decide on whether the Samsung Galaxy was an iPhone rip off or not.

I guess it depends on how much the company is willing to pay the judge to sway the judges decision.

 

[racerhomie]

Apple is doomed

All companies die. This is nothing new.

 

[timber]

Apple's price in EU is indeed higher, but not at 20-30% premium.
Many seem to forget that EU price includes VAT already.

iPhone XR 64GB in Germany 849EUR including 19% VAT.
Pre-Tax price would be 713.45EUR, roughly 812 USD, which is only 8% higher than US price.
That being said, even based on US price, latest iPhone is still overpriced...

Why should EU users be asked to pay an extra like that when in addiction to higher hardware prices the service level is always lower than in the USA?

In addiction to paying more in reality the perception is even worse than that. VAT prices are included in advertised prices in the EU.
Nobody knows that the XR costs 713 + VAT or whatever. What everybody knows is that Apple wants 850 euros for a phone that is supposed to be the cheapest. And that is just mind boggling. The question is not only if you can afford but really if you can live and justify that to yourself. For example everybody can afford paying 500€ in a Michelin star restaurant. How many people do that?

 

[YaBe]

Why should EU users be asked to pay an extra like that when in addiction to higher hardware prices the service level is always lower than in the USA?

We pay more because of local taxes, not because of Apple....or any other company for that matter.

 

[timber]

We pay more because of local taxes, not because of Apple....or any other company for that matter.

In Apple's case we pay more because of extra VAT and because Apple charges more. Two reasons not one.

 

[YaBe]

In Apple's case we pay more because of extra VAT and because Apple charges more. Two reasons not one.

I am not really sure I mean euro dollar fluctuation aside it is pretty much even.
iPhone XS is $ 999 + taxes
iPhone XS in Italy is € 1.189 - 22 % Iva = €974.59

So on a 1:1 basis it 999 vs 974
Now of course the dollar plays a role in the equation too, so we end up paying "more" but not for the Apple tax, rather for the Dollar / Euro fluctuation.

974 euros would be 1105,94 dollars (1,14 right now the exchange), the 105 $ difference comes from currency exchange (we dont' really do pay 105 $ more because we buy in euro not dollars).

 

[LewisChapman]

That's now the tidiest lineup we've seen in years!

 

[nexusrule]

Apples market share is already utterly bad in EU due to high prices. In EU most Apple product are 20-30% more expensive when compared to US.

Apple must DIE!

Relax.

 

[timber]

I am not really sure I mean euro dollar fluctuation aside it is pretty much even.
iPhone XS is $ 999 + taxes
iPhone XS in Italy is € 1.189 - 22 % Iva = €974.59

So on a 1:1 basis it 999 vs 974
Now of course the dollar plays a role in the equation too, so we end up paying "more" but not for the Apple tax, rather for the Dollar / Euro fluctuation.

974 euros would be 1105,94 dollars (1,14 right now the exchange), the 105 $ difference comes from currency exchange (we dont' really do pay 105 $ more because we buy in euro not dollars).

The correct price would be 1075 Euros (or 1079 in Apple speak, nice number ending in nine with a few extra euros to compensate for possible currency fluctuations). That is 1000 USD in Euro (881 Euro) plus 22% VAT.

Of course the Italian tax authorities are also happy because they are getting 22% on those 93 euros Apple is overcharging you (974 vs 881). A nice 20 euros to thank Tim Cook for.

 

[corky5678]

What’s a Qualcomm?

 

[Bornee35]

Maybe this is all just a secret backroom deal between Qualcomm and Apple to drive up sales for the new models, everyone break out your tin foil hats, we're going down the rabbit hole.

 

[Jsameds]

MacRumors is doomed

Doom is Doomed

 

[Kaibelf]

Why should EU users be asked to pay an extra like that when in addiction to higher hardware prices the service level is always lower than in the USA?

In addiction to paying more in reality the perception is even worse than that. VAT prices are included in advertised prices in the EU.
Nobody knows that the XR costs 713 + VAT or whatever. What everybody knows is that Apple wants 850 euros for a phone that is supposed to be the cheapest. And that is just mind boggling. The question is not only if you can afford but really if you can live and justify that to yourself. For example everybody can afford paying 500€ in a Michelin star restaurant. How many people do that?

Welcome to commerce. There has always been cheap & luxury, and certain things more expensive than the others. If someone wants to sell something for a certain amount and the buyer agrees to that price, then so be it. It's not "mind boggling." If anything, the odd thing is how passionate people get about how others spend their own money. If it's too expensive for you to justify, then don't buy it, and if someone else can justify it, that's their business.

People on these boards constantly pull out their hair in outrage over Apple's prices as if they are somehow compelled to buy the products or MUST have this year's latest model. It's just plain bizarre, as if their current devices somehow vanish or they can't leave the house without a new model, or somehow they are entitled to things at a price they want even if the rest of the world is willing to pay more.

 

[itsmilo]

In Apple's case we pay more because of extra VAT and because Apple charges more. Two reasons not one.

Before Tim Crook Apple would simply switch out the $ with a € sign. Nowadays it’s like over 100€ on TOP