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iTunes 12.3 is only for Windows 7 or later, so Apple has phased out XP support since 12.1.3 was released.
Apple still supports Windows XP for iOS 9, they just release the windows update this month so I say they are still supporting old XP.
 
I'm not sure about most of you, but I've actually just checked my purchased tabs and still have all of the software, at least back to Mountain Lion and the last version of iPhoto.
 
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Here too My list is too long to show them all so, i Have Lion visible.
 
So, they didn't learn from the Xcode debacle and want something similar to happen with those downloads? People who need these apps are now forced to download them from dubious websites with no guaranty that they are unmodified downloads...


Incorrect. They are still in my purchase history as well.
Xcode has nothing to do with this situation.
 
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Downloading software from unofficial sources is unsafe. That's why I mentioned the Xcode debacle from last week.

Granted, it could be made safe if a trusted entity provides checksum data and people actually check their downloads--but I suspect that hardly anyone actually does that.

Do we really have cater all the time to total nitwits?

Backing up programs, especially when one knows they are aging and running security software are
two absolute MUSTS for anybody with a computer.

So, if one were to download old software from a suspicious site, a virus program should detect that.
Even then (as you mention) people will be dumb enough to click on everything, so the window goes away.

These types of users just can't be helped and deserve what they get.

I agree and do not like that Apple did this without notifying the unsavvy.
(Not that that would even ring a bell with them)

Sometimes the school of hard knocks is the best teacher.

PS: We don't really know officially what happened. Not the first time somebody at Apple messed up.
 
I am so pissed at Apple right now that I personally wrote the biggest, long-a** e-mail to Tim Cook himself. Here it is quoted in its full glory, for your reading pleasure:

A good well written letter and symptomatic of how special Apple has long been that it generates such deep emotions. I hope Tim reads it.

Tim Cook is an intelligent man and also methodical. However his loyalty is to the board and shareholders and he will ultimately always choose profit above all else. This isn't to knock him, it's the case with 99.99% of men in his position. Apple was lucky to have a visionary like Jobs for so long - and he had his flaws too. However his independence allowed him to do any things and to take risks that other men might have failed to get the board's approval for. Launching the iPad that ate away at low-end MacBook sales is one example. Another was launching the iPhone despite it being clear it would be the beginning of the end of Apple's ipod cash cow.

What really worries me about Cook is the central theme of your letter - he seems to have no instinctive understanding, as Jobs did, for trust. We saw this in the cavalier way that Cook allowed U2 to force their music into everyone's copy of iTunes. And we saw it really loud and clear with Aperture. For me that marked a turning point, after putting a lot of trust in Apple for many years, trusting them with what is to me a very important part of life; photography, photos of friends, families, life's moments and travel, to have them unceremoniously dump us because they want to get teenaged girls using Photos instead really was a kick in the teeth. This isn't the reaction of those who want something for nothing or who whinge about minor changes, this was Apple betraying long-term trust in an area that has long been a central part of many peoples interaction with technology. They're the richest company in the world, they only had to promise to keep Aperture going for a few more years until they could guarantee that Photos could open the library without any problems and all the arguments would have melted away but they couldn't be bothered. Would Apple of today even make Aperture, something driven by Job's passion for photography and determination that Apple users wouldn't be left out by Adobe? It's hard to imagine Cook taking such an approach. Worryingly his lack of judgement seems to result in him spending time and energy sucking up to thuggish hip-hop "singers" rather than standing up for loyal customers.

Apple faces the same problem that many in tech do - for most people most laptops and tablets made in the last few years are good enough and people will upgrade less and less. One way around this is to make such wonderful products that people want to upgrade - essentially the Jobs route. The other is to try to use tricks cutting off purchases, forced obsolescence, abandoning users of one app to push them to another etc. This has long been Microsoft's approach and appears to be Cook's approach.

I have some sympathy for him: Standing before the board of directors it must be very hard to resist such urges; ultimately they can't account for trust. However it really is a precious, almost priceless commodity for a company and it's sad to see Apple squander it. Years ago everyone would have believed them when they said yesterday's actions were a glitch, today I see many people assume they were testing the waters and then got rattled by the reaction. We'll never know the truth however the impact of the decline in trust is very visible.
 
At this point you probably shouldn't.
That's exactly what I mean and that's exactly why I hate that part of App Thinning.
iTunes better load ALL the files right away and not try to save me a few megabytes on my Mac with terabytes of available storage.

I never trusted the cloud a lot and I never will and stuff like this only proves me that my concerns are right and woopdidoo they backpedalled (partially).
That changes everything! Give me a break. Apple is waaaay too confident in what they can do.
Of course it could be a bug or something, however, iPhoto still isn't back for example, weird, and there doesn't seem to be a statement anywhere.
Yeah, why would they right? It's not important or anything. Hush hush, as per usual.
I understand secretive approaches about upcoming releases and all that, I don't fancy it with pro software (they left Aperture users in the dark a long time... And you could still long buy it without warnings about the then upcoming discontinuation), but this sort of - at least for now - SLOWNESS to say anything is just insulting.

Glassed Silver:mac
 
however, iPhoto still isn't back for example, weird, and there doesn't seem to be a statement anywhere.
iPhoto is back for me. But still this has made me trust the cloud a lot less. The problem is within a few years I would bet that the cloud will be the only option if you want the newest software, and if you don't want that then you'll have to go back to older hardware and try to keep it running indefinitely.
 
iPhoto is back for me. But still this has made me trust the cloud a lot less. The problem is within a few years I would bet that the cloud will be the only option if you want the newest software, and if you don't want that then you'll have to go back to older hardware and try to keep it running indefinitely.
If that happens I'm switching to Linux/FreeBSD.
If my applications can't load locally and basically the operation of my computer is to great extent only possible with the cloud I'll do what I can to pull out.

I dare Apple make that move, but I doubt it. They are still a bit less cloud-focused than other companies, then again it might be because they aren't quite ready yet. Who knows.

Glassed Silver:mac
 
I agree with some of the comments in the thread about Apple not being the same with the same visionary practices that Jobs brought. They are about the spreadsheet calcuations and making money for the shareholders but what about looking after their customers.

I have a MBP 2010 15" laptop that suffered from the Nvidia GPU issues (https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT203554) and I started to experience problems in the last 6 months with lines on my screen and then repeated GPU panics (sometimes 2-3 times in a 5-10 minute period). They had a "Quality Program" to address the issue but it was for people that fell within a 3 year period from the date of purchase. I was one of the early adopters and bought the computer within the first 1-2 weeks that it was available in 2010 as I held out until the refresh as I was looking at the 2009. I didn't get notified of a known defect by email or phone to have it tested and yet someone that bought it 1-2 years later would have been covered simply because they bought it later than I did but the problem was latent and existed since production. I went to have it tested at my local Apple store and have then confirm that it suffered from the Video Switching Test (VST) failure that I saw people reported in the apple discussion forums. After I ended up talking to 3-4 different AppleCare reps after talking to the Support guy that referenced the link above/confirmed what I was reading in the forums (where they referenced the link above as well). I was initially offered "e-Coupons" to take anywhere from $25 ($100 level) - $125 I believe ($375+ level) to buy a new computer and couldn't be used for refurbs, etc This wasn't acceptable and I didn't have $2000-3000 to spend on a new computer that has less functionality (no firewire, no dvd drive, etc) that I need. Anyways after talking to a new rep who got me no where (played phone tag for 4-5 days over his time off and vacation in the middle) I asked for a new rep and then escalated at that point and talked to Kelly who acted as an advocate for me after I made my case of buying multiple Apple products over a 20+ year period and recommending the products to other people and I didn't think it was fair that someone who bought it a few years later was eligible but bought it at less premium price. Anyway after a lot of bitching I was able to get it fixed at their cost for a known defect. I don't think I should have to fight to get something like this fixed for a known defect... I can understand if it was a dying hard drive or something I could replace, etc but not a known defect to say out of warranty. Anyway I have a happy working MacBook Pro so far since just after labour day and may look at finally putting an SSD in it to speed it up a bit more to give it some more life out of the computer.

I don't like the direction of forced upgrades and not being able to go backwards if you choose (with no support if need be) whether it be Mac or iDevices or taking away features in the iOS that were there previously with no notice and if you upgraded you can't revert it, etc as they withdraw the signature files, etc

This "mistake" or "glitch" is inexcusable and they should make all of the previous OS releases available to everybody regardless of whether they purchased it especially if it is free now.
 
Has anyone checked their purchases prior to responding? Today is 9/29/15 and I am currently downloading Lion.
Picture proof attached. Not sure why I still have mine, but quiet happy I do. Maybe there's something to the name of this site after all...
 

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Has anyone checked their purchases prior to responding? Today is 9/29/15 and I am currently downloading Lion.
Picture proof attached. Not sure why I still have mine, but quiet happy I do. Maybe there's something to the name of this site after all...
If you read the whole thread you would see that Apple has put it back up. Now it's just a question of if it was actually a glitch or if Apple intentionally did it and then backtracked.
 
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I really hope this is not real. My entire business runs Lion. I bought all my Apple Store Softwares. Never pirated even one of them. Seriously Apple?
 
Ok, I just write in order to say everyone: That old and important app for me, purchased on the Mac App Store and discontinued, is again on my purchased list. Thank god.
 
Being a recording musician, we tend to run earlier versions of OS X because once you get your DAW running like butter you don't mess with it. Still, there are times when you need to do a clean install and need that older version of the OS. Luckily I've got my previous OS X installers saved
 
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I recall installing an older version on my 2009 iMac (not my main machine) so I could replay some old PowerPC games.
How are you able to play PowerPC games on your 2009 iMac? I would like to install and play the Myst series. Is there a PowerPC emulator available?
 
You can install snow leopard server as a virtual machine in parallels desktop, vmware fusion or virtualbox.

This will let you run ppc apps on modern macs.

Or if you go back further, you can run sheepshaver and mac os 9 to run mac os 9 apps on modern macs.
 
You do know the limitations of running Leopard virtualized, right? There is no sound out of the box for one thing and the only sound trick I've found is lagged. No accelerated graphic support at all, etc. Not a great way to play old games....
 
I didn'd say leopard. I said snow leopard server. There is quite a difference. It might not be quite as good as snow leopard running natively but if all you have is a new computer that will be your only option and it's pretty good for most ppc apps including many games.
 
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