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You either follow the (clearly defined) iOS App publishing guidelines or your app gets pulled. Telegram is a Russian app, so take most of the negative feedback in this thread with grain of salt as Russians constantly use bots to promote their fake narrative. If you don't like the rules of the App Store, which for most part, kept its users safe, you are free to leave the ecosystem. Apple should keep doing what they do best -- protect its users.
 
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So, just to be clear - Apple pulls Telegram (yet another private texting app) from the App Store for 'inappropriate content', yet does nothing about Twitter - whose materials are available for viewing by anyone - and who recently argued why they allow some to breach their own Rules. And no, not for any possible profit rationale.

And guess who was mentioned positively in recent State of the Union...
 
So, just to be clear - Apple pulls Telegram (yet another private texting app) from the App Store for 'inappropriate content', yet does nothing about Twitter - whose materials are available for viewing by anyone - and who recently argued why they allow some to breach their own Rules. And no, not for any possible profit rationale.

And guess who was mentioned positively in recent State of the Union...

Curiously, the Twitter application is rated age 17+ in the app store, while Telegram is rated 4+.

Perhaps the issue here is that Telegram should rate themselves 17+ since it can be used to access "inappropriate content".

I should add that I hate that term because what is "inappropriate" is so extremely subjective. Like, I don't find tasteful nudity to be inappropriate in any way, but other people might. Maybe we should be using the term "illegal content" instead, since that's well defined as being against the law in a specific jurisdiction.
 
From their own statement though:

"objectification of real people (e.g. "hot-or-not" voting)" well then ALL the dating apps like Tinder and Bumble should be gone right now. Do they get around it because the apps actually do not say "swipe left for not, and swipe right for hot? I mean get those apps off of the internet, it is just creating a bunch of teenagers who have no clue how to act sociably with anyone in person, however, give them their iPhones, iPads, Macs etc...they will hop on those and feel like they are actually talking in "person!"

Just my opinion, but you can tell. I see it in my nephews. In person they have no clue how to act "normal" in basically any social situation. Church for the 11 year old because his parents take the iPhones/iPads from him physically. You can tell he is bored at Church, and I can understand that in a way for an 11 year old, and the two five year old identical twin boys, however, I will add that they go to Church every Sunday and love it....but that is because they have known nothing else, they have been going to Church with their parents since they were babies.

We are dumbing down our children and most of younger society with all these devices! However, please do not take me wrong though, as our iPhones, iPads, and Macs have also help advance this world in many ways. There is just a balance that needs to struck. I mean I will go over to my sisters house with the 11 year old for dinner, and they all sit there on their phones, or her son will eat fast and instantly go play on his Xbox One. Have some REAL damn family time...talk at the dinner table like when I grew up.

Situation was way different for me since I did not get a cell phone until I was 15, and I was one of the first to get one so I did not have really anyone to text, haha. Also, back then I am sure most of you know that we had like 200 texts a months (sending AND receiving) but obviously they were nothing like todays phones. My first phone was a Nextel i1000 flip phone, if anyone remembers how thick those were, haha!! Push-to-Talk was great though once most of my friends got on Nextel. I still have all my Nextel phones, do not know why, they are worth nothing as the iDEN Network does not even exist anymore, 99.9% sure.

Anyway, end rant.


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Motorola Nextel i1000's, ;)

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https://9to5mac.com/2018/02/05/apple-telegram-illegal-content/

Told you you don't need more information. It's obvious.

Not sure what your problem is, LOL, but you just confirmed my original point
  • Apple pulls the app and gives a vague explanation
  • People jump to all kinds of erroneous conclusions
  • I state that I (not your royal high horse-ness) would like additional information due to the inconsistencies others were citing
  • Apple apparently provides additional information that clarifies their decision
Thank you for proving my point for me
 
Not sure what your problem is, LOL, but you just confirmed my original point
  • Apple pulls the app and gives a vague explanation
  • People jump to all kinds of erroneous conclusions
  • I state that I (not your royal high horse-ness) would like additional information due to the inconsistencies others were citing
  • Apple apparently provides additional information that clarifies their decision
Thank you for proving my point for me
Again, I fully endorse going against those practices, I just don’t understamd what makes Telegram different from WhatsApp....

Still a vague response and an illogic one from Apple, there is nothing technical in telegram that makes it different from iMessage or WhatsApp in a technical sense.

Let’s forbid Ford from selling cars because 1 guy ran over people with a Ford....
 
Not sure what your problem is, LOL, but you just confirmed my original point
  • Apple pulls the app and gives a vague explanation
  • People jump to all kinds of erroneous conclusions
  • I state that I (not your royal high horse-ness) would like additional information due to the inconsistencies others were citing
  • Apple apparently provides additional information that clarifies their decision
Thank you for proving my point for me

You have no point. It was obvious that it is related to sexual abuse or something similar. Nothing else would raise any flags.
 
LOL, you must be a joy to be around in real life
Give it rest, not everyone in life is gonna bend over for you

No, I will not give it a rest. I said in my first post that this is wrong regardless of the content and you played the "i need more information" card as if you need to go to the moon to know that it is not made out of blue cheese. I specifically mentioned child pornography which turned out to be the case here as I expected. But Apple was wrong to pull the app from the app store just because someone used it for something very sickening. Just like it is bad to sacrifice everyones privacy, because a terrorist used an iPhone.
 
No, I will not give it a rest. I said in my first post that this is wrong regardless of the content and you played the "i need more information" card as if you need to go to the moon to know that it is not made out of blue cheese. I specifically mentioned child pornography which turned out to be the case here as I expected. But Apple was wrong to pull the app from the app store just because someone used it for something very sickening. Just like it is bad to sacrifice everyones privacy, because a terrorist used an iPhone.

No surprisingly, you continue to be totally oblivious and miss my point entirely because you love the sound of your own words
 
Apple should shut down internet, it is filled with inappropriate content!

I don't know if that's a sarcasting remark but you and the other 29 members here really don't have any class as this joke is seriously out of taste. You can go and enjoy this particular kind of inappropriate content yet I feel sorry for you children and those children in your 'hood.

"inappropriate content" hosted on the platform that violated Apple's developer guidelines for iOS apps.

should've banned them indefinitely.

We were alerted by Apple that inappropriate content was made available to our users and both apps were taken off the App Store. Once we have protections in place we expect the apps to be back on the App Store. - Pavel Durov (@durov)

Protections? WHERE THE F where these protections in the very FIRST PLACE! This is freaking CHILD PORNOGRAPHY ... Pavel Durov you've got not damn soul, no morals. The fact that this was there in the first place, I'd quit ... SCREW the money! Nothing is worth being associated and being disgusted with this F*ckery!

MobileSyrup.com said:
However, this isn’t the first time the company has run into issues involving its less savoury users. Last year, Indonesia threatened to ban the app if the company didn’t take a more active roll in stopping the spread “radical and terrorist propaganda


Schiller ... This is how you run a service and business with morality:

Phil Schiller said:
“The Telegram apps were taken down off the App Store because the App Store team was alerted to illegal content, specifically child pornography, in the apps,” wrote Schiller. “After verifying the existence of the illegal content, the team took the apps down from the store, alerted the developer, and notified the proper authorities, including the NCMEC (National Center for Missing and Exploited Children).”

Schiller then goes on to write:
Phil Schiller said:
“The App Store team worked with the developer to have them remove this illegal content from the apps and ban the users who posted this horrible content. Only after it was verified that the developer had taken these actions and put in place more controls to keep this illegal activity from happening again were these apps reinstated on the App Store.”

Yes late on seeing this yet I don't use that many social apps to take notice. I feel like vomiting that this even was happening.

Curious ... what happened on the Android side of this app? Hmmm.
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100 % agreed ! Apple censorship in a democracy ? C'mon I'm a grown up it's up to me to decide what apps I should install as long as it isn't against the law !

And you're arguing about Apple's decision to protect children under a CRIME called Child Pornography on a forum as Apple pulled the app, reported to appropriate authorities and had the company FIX the issue and ban the users (which is in ANY companies OWN interest - except a pedophile). You're arguing your point about all of this in this particular thread?

Are you the guy running the coffee shop in the first scene of first season and episode of Mr. Robot hosting such content? Gads.
 
I don't know if that's a sarcasting remark but you and the other 29 members here really don't have any class as this joke is seriously out of taste. You can go and enjoy this particular kind of inappropriate content yet I feel sorry for you children and those children in your 'hood.

Don't feel sorry for me or any child I know / have met, but I was dead serious, it is impossible to clean the internet.

Does that mean I approve child pornography? Definetly not, so I don't know what are you fighting against (windmill perhaps?).

You should learn not to assume things as I do not approve that kind of content as you imply, perhaps if you came down from the pedestal you built yourself to look people from up above you might learn that the world is not all black and white.

The fact remains, will removing this app solve the issue? NO!
will users that want to see that kind of content use another app? YES!

Instead of removing app, they should let people report users with such behaviour, and then denounce them to the police, no need to ban the app.

should've banned them indefinitely.


I repeat myself:
You do not forbid Ford from selling cars because 1 guy ran over people with a Ford, you arrest the guy!

So BAN the user not the app!

Curious ... what happened on the Android side of this app? Hmmm.
Nothing, because it is not Android (well Alphabet) responsability, it is Telegram's.

Telergrams responded and made appropriate moves as expected and rightfully so, but it was their responsability not Alphabet or Apple!
 
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Don't feel sorry for me or any child I know / have met, but I was dead serious, it is impossible to clean the internet.

Does that mean I approve child pornography? Definetly not, so I don't know what are you fighting against (windmill perhaps?).

You should learn not to assume things as I do not approve that kind of content as you imply, perhaps if you came down from the pedestal you built yourself to look people from up above you might learn that the world is not all black and white.

I didn't imply nor assume ... if you read my posting correctly you'd see I was in particular quoting "ss.soulbeat" who's bad taste joke was quite ill. That said your joke or statement that Apple 'should shut down the internet' wasn't a helpful one. I get that you meant it maybe futile to police, but I think doing nothing like Google did on Android for this instance/situation would show they didn't care to even bother trying. I'd still say your post was done without taste, ignoring the fact Apple at least made a difference to try vs over generalizing the issue and saying hey the internet cannot be policed. See the difference, it's all in perception, leaving it so open can be infered quite widely.

The fact remains, will removing this app solve the issue? NO!
- seems Apple did solve the issue, first by removing the app and then reporting to authorities and having the members that did this be banned before allowing it to be available again.
will users that want to see that kind of content use another app? YES!
- unfortunately so ...you're definitely right there, sadly so in this world.

Instead of removing app, they should let people report users with such behaviour, and then denounce them to the police, no need to ban the app.
- All the while allowing the sharing, trading of (which is a further result of sexual/physical abuse of miners to continue)?! Sure I get your method could find more of those sicko's over a short and long run, so either practice is a better or for worse choice.

I repeat myself:
You do not forbid Ford from selling cars because 1 guy ran over people with a Ford, you arrest the guy!
- This isn't so simply compared. I'd like to think of this as a car with faulty brakes. There was more than one user in this situation. By my comparison related to your analogy ... anyone could've been driving such a car and anyone could've been hurt. ...
So BAN the user not the app!
So stop the car from being sold, make a recall for repairs, make changes to fix the issue, once fixed allow the car to be sold and driven once again.

Nothing, because it is not Android (well Alphabet) responsability, it is Telegram's.
- Nothing done. Yes Telegram's responsibility, but Alphabet didn't even report anything ... that's the takeaway to consider. Maybe this is a difference of opinion here and potentially nature of where we both live.
Ex. (off topic but comparable for perception here:
In Canada seeing someone die where you're able to help, and you don't: that's a crime by law.
In the USA only certain states this is a crime, helping someone could also lead a US citizen to be sued in civil court as well.
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Telergrams responded and made appropriate moves as expected and rightfully so, but it was their responsability not Alphabet or Apple!
- Agreed. The responsibility isn't what's being debated, not by me. It's doing the right thing that I'm happy about.

Sorry you feel differently about jokes on this topic as I do. My honest mistake, as I have to realize not everyone thinks, feels, nor sees topics/situations the same as I would/do/will. I'll be much more mindful in the future.
 
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