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Good for apple for pushing back. These regulations are just terrible.
Terrible for who ?, the USA ?
Trump taught the world a great lesson "Make <your country> Great Again"
The political climate in the USA, the problems with funding for Ukraine, etc has also made the world aware that any reliance on the USA has become a liability and that economic diversification, greater self ability, better personal data controls, better consumer laws is the better option.
 
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Much easier for Apple to pull out of India since they've just started to enter the market 🤣
Do it USA, please do it.
The USA is 4% of the worlds population and just 18% (and falling) of the worlds economy.
The world does not owe the USA and the USA does not own the world. Just as the USA expects other countries doing business in the USA to follow US laws, the rest of the world expects the USA to follow theirs just like every other trading country has to.
The ONE good thing the MAGA crowd has done is let the world see how reliance on the USA is a poor game strategy, all countries need to be more self reliant , diversity economic trade, and stop other countries having any form of dominance.
 
When countries apply rules to people and companies, is that expanding freedom or curtailing it? In what way?
Expanding freedom for other, smaller businesses and consumers.
Apple and their policies regarding app installation are curtailing freedom more than anything else.
Users have choice, buy Android phone and side load apps.
what next, i want to run windows on my iPad, Apple should work with Microsoft to make sure iPad can run Microsoft Windows on iPad ?
The availability or choice of operating system on hardware devices isn't regulated.
It's just the software platforms themselves that emerge as duopolies.
Even if they only have a small part of it, that’s still as large as the entire EU market. Definitely not easy for Apple to pull out of it.
It's not as if anyone forced Apple to supply their products to the Indian (or EU) market.
Don't like the rules - you're free to leave.

Think you can dictate business terms for all software companies that develop apps or services to run on mobile phones?
Well, seems you have to think again! Can't have your cake and eat it too. You either play by local rules or you leave.
Sigh. Another Government who feels they have a right to treat companies as their personal atms's...
Nope - it just levels the playing field for third parties. If anyone treats anything as an ATM, it's the big tech companies gatekeeping access to their platforms and charging quasi-taxes for it.
 
The proposed legislation includes provisions for penalties of up to 10 percent of a company's annual global turnover for violations.
India: finable for "up to 10% of annual global turnover"
EU: "up to 10% of the company’s total worldwide annual turnover, or up to 20% in the event of repeated infringements"

👉 30% down - only 70 more to go! 💪


It's not like compliance and avoiding fines would be hard, really. Unless you just stubbornly refuse to do it.
Given the way Apple are purporting to comply with digital market regulations though, it would come as no shock if they're fined for more than 100% of annual turnover in one year 😆
 
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Nothing against the people: But India as a country isn’t worth the investment in my opinion.
They like many countries have much bigger things to worry about than these rules. I don’t feel that the social aspect and the work ethic is there yet, but there government keeps trying to impose laws like the big kids. They need to do this in baby steps.

It’s just the 5th biggest economy.
 
It’s just the 5th biggest economy.
Yes. Yet, I feel that is probably massively leaning to the fact that they are ether the most populated or 2nd most populated country in the world.

The biggest economies in the world (from a small search https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/the-top-10-economies-in-the-world)

USA dwarfs everyone, then China. With slot 3 and 4 both going to countries no where near the population level of India. The only main reason China is on that list as high as they are is because the western world pretty much turned them into their manufacturing (beep) for the last 30+ years.
 
It's not as if anyone forced Apple to supply their products to the Indian (or EU) market.
Don't like the rules - you're free to leave.

Correct, but when a market is large enough that it’s too costly to leave it they will think twice about exercising that freedom and the EU was the best example of that. Apple was free to leave the EU anytime they wanted to since they didn’t like the new rules of the game, but they didn’t leave the EU. Why? because it’s too large a market and it cost them more to leave than to budge. Thus, they instead budged and begrudgingly complied with the new rules.
 
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(via Reut. The bill would also remove restrictions on sideloading apps.

In other words this bill has been written by the owners of scam call centers who have stolen billions of dollars and bribed police and politicians.

They have been desperate to get side loading on iPhones because until now all their victims are Android phone users who are tricked into downloading fake support apps, fake VNC apps and fake payment apps.

The Indian government argues that the new law is necessary to address the growing market power of a few large digital companies that "wield immense control over the market." The proposed legislation includes provisions for penalties of up to 10 percent of a company's annual global turnover for violations.

They are the most ungrateful and criminal class of government in the world. Their economic growth has been due to foreign companies sending them jobs, bringing their students to the west, investing in their country.

They are showing no thankfulness for this and have become spoilt and even more corrupt. They steal from their own people and launder that money into other countries. They even use that dirty money to fund extreme right wing Indian businessmen in America to interfere with US politics.

Lately Modi has lost his mind completely and is claiming that he was sent by god and he was born from a virgin like he’s Jesus.

If Modi’s government and gang of cronies were really as smart and successful as they claim and if they were not cooking the books, they would invest in making the lives of Indians much better and cleaner. They would invest in female education and sports.

They would create their own great companies to compete on the world stage. But they have no Indian Samsungs. They have no Indian Huawei. Compared to China, Singapore and Japan they look like a big scam and can barely win a couple of gold medals in the Olympics. Vietnam is better developed.
 
Good. Time for the world to stop the bullying of these anticompetitive massive companies. Apple is among the worst when it comes to acting like a bully and stifling competition.
Then companies or government should create a competition. I’m sure any operating system or hardware would be garbage, just like every other government service out there.
 
Then companies or government should create a competition. I’m sure any operating system or hardware would be garbage, just like every other government service out there.
That's why my electricity is incredibly expensive and unreliable.

Oh, wait, it's the opposite. Without a profit motive, my electricity is actually cheap and very reliable.
 
Nope - it just levels the playing field for third parties. If anyone treats anything as an ATM, it's the big tech companies gatekeeping access to their platforms and charging quasi-taxes for it.
That's cute. Tell that to the EU Mafia who seemingly invent new "violations" every other week to fine Apple & others over. Apple is under zero obligation to do anything for anyone who aren't their customers. That whole RCS crap being a prime example. Had Apple a CEO with a spine they might have told the EU & Green Bubble whiners to pound sand.
 
This is insultingly false and dishonest. I don't know where youre true interests really lie (apple stock, maybe?) but Apple's anti-competitiveness has destroyed a lot of actual progress as well as your judgement.
Intellectually dishonest post. You don’t like an opinion so you sling an ad-hom. The dam is terrible regulations on so many levels. However we live in a world where bad laws exist.
 
Terrible for who ?, the USA ?
Trump taught the world a great lesson "Make <your country> Great Again"
The political climate in the USA, the problems with funding for Ukraine, etc has also made the world aware that any reliance on the USA has become a liability and that economic diversification, greater self ability, better personal data controls, better consumer laws is the better option.
The consumers and developers.
 
Yup, all the EU’s fault. Soon every country is going to try to regulate in their own specific way. 180 ways companies would have to please these governments. - Do you think you currently encounter bugs in your software? Just you wait until that software has to account for all these different regulations across the globe. Absolute insanity. 🤦‍♂️
You know what would’ve prevented that? Apple acting reasonably. They refused for over a decade to make even slight concessions. Now government has to step in to protect their citizens. It’s their job.

The only one to blame for this is Apple
 
Lol. I don't see any rules Apple applied to me. They never said I can't buy a Samsung or BlackBerry.
Ok by that logic, India never said Apple couldn’t sell their phones in other countries. I guess there’s no problem!

Correct, but when a market is large enough that it’s too costly to leave it they will think twice about exercising that freedom and the EU was the best example of that. Apple was free to leave the EU anytime they wanted to since they didn’t like the new rules of the game, but they didn’t leave the EU. Why? because it’s too large a market and it cost them more to leave than to budge. Thus, they instead budged and begrudgingly accepted the new rules.
So you understand why people keep using iPhones and developers keep developing for them even if they don’t like Apple’s rules. So the “if you don’t like it, leave” statements will stop now right?
 
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So you understand why people keep using iPhones and developers keep developing for them even if they don’t like Apple’s rules. So the “if you don’t like it, leave” statements will stop now right?

I always did understand that. It was the person I was replying to who made the “if you don’t like it, leave” statement, not me, which is why I replied with the comment you quoted.
 
Well, not unexpected that other regions would start copying the demands of the EU after companies like Apple gave what the EU wanted.

I won't be surprised we are going to see the same thing in the USA at some point.

It was a huge mistake they didn't push back against the EU.
 
For better or for worse, the EU definitely opened the floodgates. I think it’s mostly for the better, but that doesn’t mean every measure is necessarily fair or future ones for that matter. I guess the US government will be preparing something in the near future.
 
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