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I am of an age (82) when I remember that we Apple folk were trying to take down the big guy (Microsoft) when Apple was I. The doldrums. What goes around comes around—and I an an Apple developer with an exclusively Apple family (including my kids in Germany and Japan). As the French say, the more things change, the more they remain the same.
 
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I don't understand this part. We've been able to use iMessage on an iPhone without an Apple ID since the day iMessage launched, and still can.
That used to be the case, but it’s no longer.

Now, when you try to activate iMessage, it’ll prompt you to log into your Apple ID or create one.

They’ve changed this because of spam concerns, there are still a few exceptions possible but those mainly revolve around MDM certificates combined with some other factors.

Don’t take my word for it though, here it is from Apple themselves:

You need an Apple ID to use iMessage. If you’ve made purchases from the iTunes Store or App Store or you’ve signed in to iCloud, you have an Apple ID.
 
That used to be the case, but it’s no longer.

Now, when you try to activate iMessage, it’ll prompt you to log into your Apple ID or create one.

They’ve changed this because of spam concerns, there are still a few exceptions possible but those mainly revolve around MDM certificates combined with some other factors.

Don’t take my word for it though, here it is from Apple themselves:
Oh wow. I guess I completely missed that change. I suppose it makes sense. Does raise some eyebrows for me about what beeper was doing in this case.
 
All countries except the US saw through the dictatorship Apple is doing here and moved on to WhatsApp, Telegram, WeChat a long time ago.
What are you on about?

The other messaging apps were widely adopted due to a lack of unlimited SMS/MMS plans by non-US carriers. iMessage was relatively late to the game.
 
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I am of an age (82) when I remember that we Apple folk were trying to take down the big guy (Microsoft) when Apple was I. The doldrums. What goes around comes around—and I an an Apple developer with an exclusively Apple family (including my kids in Germany and Japan). As the French say, the more things change, the more they remain the same.
Sorry for the typo
 
Because it cost Apple money to run iMessage, and they aren’t going to take a loss by letting people use they’re service for free, I don’t want people stealing the service, and running up the cost of Apple devices(I doubt Apple will just take the loss).

What are you talking about? This service didn't enable two non iPhone users to communicate through iMessage. It only enabled a non iPhone user to communicate with an iPhone user through iMessage. That means an Apple user was always in the equation as intended.
 
Android users who want a blue bubble, simply purchase an iPhone. Problem solved.
Android users do not see these bubbles, why should they care? What's missing in this discussion is the fact that by disablin Beeper Minis Apple deprives its customers of being able to send/receive high quality media to/from their walled garden (at least with iMessage). In the end, this move hurts iPhone owners.
 
LOL why do people think iMessage is the reason why we use iPhone? I am genuinely interested. I have a galaxy and everytime i switch to Galaxy i dont go "oh my god, i miss iMessage. I gotta switch back."

I switch back because Android is terrible lol.

We are not locked in. We simply dont want android. I'd use a windows phone again before i ever use android full time

First, there is no "we" because your experience is not the same as everyone's experience.

To answer your question, the reason people reference lock-in is because many people do in fact feel locked in. This is something Apple has done by design as they themselves have directly said so.

The Epic Apple lawsuit lead to a lot of emails being released including this 2011 email from Steve Jobs when he indicated the cloud should be used to “tie all of our products together, so we further lock customers into our ecosystem.” That's a directive straight from the top.

Apple considered bringing iMessage to Android in 2013 but again. They identified lock-in as more advantageous than interoperability.

You may not feel locked in but many do because that is how the system was designed.
 
To answer your question, the reason people reference lock-in is because many people do in fact feel locked in. This is something Apple has done by design as they themselves have directly said so.
The reason why people feel "locked in" is because that is a superior experience that can't be readily exported outside of the Apple ecosystem. You all make it sound like users are being caged against their will, but the reality is, if a service or feature wasn't any good, people wouldn't be staying in the first place.

The secret to the Apple ecosystem is that Apple isn't selling me a product or a service. It's selling me an experience made possible by their control over hardware, software and services. And as a user moves deeper into the ecosystem, and as they interact with more Apple hardware, software and services, the number of these unique experiences increases. An experience that one can't really find elsewhere, and that's why we stay.

Because it's no longer enough for the competition to simply come up with a smartphone that takes slightly better photos or a tablet with a slightly better screen, or headphones with better noise cancellation. Instead, they have to come up with a better experience than those found in the Apple ecosystem, and the implication is that you need your own ecosystem. I won't say it's impossible, but it would be an insurmountable feat for pretty much every other company today.
 
Do you have any idea what 'impossible' means? What has your experience been?

I've never had a problem communicating with any other cell phone users, at all, on any OS.

There is even this great feature where you can put your phone to your head, speak into it and hear their voice response in real time!
The world has moved to IM, maybe you should learn about that
 
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The world has moved to IM, maybe you should learn about that

the person you're defending claimed it was -impossible- for android and iphone users to communicate. no one has ever actually had this problem. i can send a message, picture, link, voice recording, phone call, google chat, facetime, skype, discord, slack, everything you could imagine. how is that 'impossible to communicate?'

no one is talking about 'the world moving to IM'. here nor there, get lost.
 
iMessage is a platform app for apple. If one wants a seamless platform there have to be at least 5 or 6 good ones at this point.
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Entire world uses WhatsApp. They must be doing something right.
I didn’t buy the iPhone because of message I bought it because imo apple has the best experience.
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Yet Apple is so insecure it needs iMessage aa a system seller.
If your choice of smartphone creates a hostile environment for people communicating with you maybe you should get another smartphone. If iMessage is a selling point of the iPhone, then mitigation of a hostile environment would be a selling point if another phone.
That is exactly my point. I like Android more than iOS and if the other person has a contrarian choice, than due to Apple's shenanigans, it's virtually impossible to communicate.

Apple locking down iMessage to their own users is not going to get me to go out and buy an iPhone. I like Android specific reasons which iOS does not have and a messaging app is not going to change that
 
All messaging apps should have to be capable with iOS and Android without limitations.
 
Apple and Android can communicate with each other albeit there are some OS nuances that aren't currently cross-platform.
Group chats completely break down when iOS and Android users try to communicate. All images are sent as blurry photos from the 1990s. No typing indicators. No ability to leave chat.
iPhone users can't send messages over WiFi.

On top of this, Apple purposely has Android messages displayed as white text on a green background as they know it makes them harder to read

Apple is actively disrupting the experience here.
 
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The reason why people feel "locked in" is because that is a superior experience that can't be readily exported outside of the Apple ecosystem. You all make it sound like users are being caged against their will, but the reality is, if a service or feature wasn't any good, people wouldn't be staying in the first place.

The secret to the Apple ecosystem is that Apple isn't selling me a product or a service. It's selling me an experience made possible by their control over hardware, software and services. And as a user moves deeper into the ecosystem, and as they interact with more Apple hardware, software and services, the number of these unique experiences increases. An experience that one can't really find elsewhere, and that's why we stay.

Because it's no longer enough for the competition to simply come up with a smartphone that takes slightly better photos or a tablet with a slightly better screen, or headphones with better noise cancellation. Instead, they have to come up with a better experience than those found in the Apple ecosystem, and the implication is that you need your own ecosystem. I won't say it's impossible, but it would be an insurmountable feat for pretty much every other company today.
We shouldn’t be asking for Apple to dumb-down to the way Android works, we should be asking for Android phone manufacturers to unskill to Apple’s level (a proper bespoke ecosystem with a range of devices that all work well together). None of them seem to want to do it.
 
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