Idk, there are grown adults saying pretty awful things about android users on this forum. I've seen everything from classist and misogynistic, to generically insulting comments about android users in these two beeper article comments. So the idea that teens are bullying each other about it is not a stretch.
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Apple Puts a Stop to Beeper Mini's iMessage for Android Feature
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The people who insist bullying and exclusion is fake news don’t have kids and don’t have social circles where anyone is getting excluded from group chats. Because if it doesn’t exist in their world it must not be true / must be an overreaction. It is largely a US only issue.
Oh I know. I live in the US and tried switching to android with galaxy note 10, which is still one of my favorite pieces of phone hardware. I immediately blew up all our group chats and could tell quickly that I was getting excluded from conversations.
I use BlueBubbles on a hackintosh server now, and keep my primary SIM on my iPhone 15 Pro Max since I change phones randomly depending on which I feel like using, so I live in both worlds pretty effortlessly now.
It's way easier now. They've automated Google firebase config. Disabling SIP is the most complicated part and it really isn't. They've also got find my devices (and preliminary find my friends and facetime call answering) working.
This is overblown nonsense. Green messages perfectly legible. But more to the point, it's only the messages that you send that are green. Messages that you receive are black on gray, just like iMessages.
These are private servers that Beeper Mini is fraudulently accessing to to store files, process messages, and utilize bandwidth for commercial purposes. There is no "we hacked into your server using reverse engineering, so it is okay" defense. Their actions are clearly illegal.
Absolutely nonsense. SMS have been green since iPhone OS 1.0, before iMessage was even a thing, and the color only applies to the messages sent from the iPhone. Apple does enough crap for us to call out without literally revising history and making stuff up.
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They are public servers with a public-facing API and Beeper was interacting with them exactly how they were supposed to be interacted with according to the protocol.
Note that the DMCA explicitly allows reverse-engineering for the purpose of interoperability.
Being publicly-accessible doesn't change the fact that they are private servers. I can't break into a bank because it's open to the public.
Which has nothing at all to do with accessing a private server. You don't have a right to store stuff on my server because you reverse engineered my protocol and fraudulently obtained credentials.
It will stop some people from buying iPhones.
We need all the Apple users we can get. We're such a small team compared to the big teams.
You dont know what an API is, do you?
This is a publicly available exposed API reverse engineered to be interacted with. This is literally how the internet is supposed to work.
The Computer Fraud and Abuse Act of 1986 (CFAA).
It has become a horrible law, but it makes almost all unauthorised use of a computer system illegal.
Yes, unauthorised means Apple didn't allow it. You don't have to overcome some technical protection for it to become unauthorised.
The federal law covering this is incredible broad.
This. If it's such a clear-cut case there is no doubt Apple will sue if only to deter others to try to do the same in the future.
IMHO it's not as clear-cut as many seem to believe, but let's see what happens.
Everyone would benefit from it except the creater, owner and the entity which pays for it. It's a pretty big exception.
Also, I wouldn't profit from it. I would profit more if it caused more people to become iPhone users or stopped iPhone users to become Android users. Being part of a big platform benefits me.
Apple doesn't care about privacy and security of Android users. If you as an Apple customer has interaction with them, it's up to you to convince them to switch to Apple or suffer the consequences.
I don't think Apple should help customers to communicate with competitors.
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I have no problems communicating with Android phones.
I only have one friend who uses Android and here both SMS and email works fine.
I know I in theory could use a bunch of other messaging applications but I don't need to.
Of course I know what an API is. No, the internet is not "supposed to work" by accessing private servers without authorization. Any reasonable person understands that they don't have a right to access my private server just because they were able to break in.
Where's the gray area? How is it different than any other unauthorized computer access?
It's got a public interface, and nothing was done to the server itself. *anyone* can access any server that has a public presence on the web. (It's up to their security for them to block things you shouldn't do)
I don't blame Apple for blocking how this works, but I don't really see anything that's a suable case, and it would probably cost Apple a lot more to pursue than they could hope to get back.
What nonsense. Having a public interface doesn't entitle you to hack into a server. I have a private server with a public interface. Only my family members have accounts. Creating a fraudulent account doesn't entitle someone to store stuff on my server.
Of course they did. They fraudulently created accounts and used the iMessage servers' storage, processing and bandwidth.
If you have the ability to create an account by accessing that server, then it's your own fault if someone does that and is not actionable. (you should have some approval process so it doesn't happen.)