Apple Puts Foxconn Factory in India on Probation Following Protests

[dysamoria]

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I disagree it’s a myth.

I checked out your link, thanks. They didn’t offer info about how those people started out, and what their financial and social status was prior to starting out in employment.

 

[dysamoria]

I don’t buy this entire premise. New tech and new products has been coming f out for decades and it’s a consumers personal decision on What to buy. You can’t judge the relative merits of new products for the masses of consumers, only for yourself.

If I want to buy a new tv every year to go from he, to ultra hd to 8k, that’s on me.

Tech always comes down in prices. 4K TVs can be had for $399, unlike your premise above.

I can’t judge every individual’s needs or purchase choice merits, true.

However, there’s plenty of proof (and other people have been presenting evidence for it for ages) that the majority of purchases are driven by aggressive marketing, withholding support on older versions, and premature failure of existing products (if not in hardware, definitely in software; perfectly good devices become nigh useless due to the bloat of successive OS updates people are pressured to install).

As for the cost of smart TVs, the $399 price tag isn’t what customers are truly paying, and isn’t the value companies are extracting from the purchase. Companies sell these things at low prices (some have reported “at a loss”) not for the sake of “inexpensive goods” (or a lack of greed), but because they’re expecting to make the real money on data-mining and deals with subscription services (and boy do they ever; they’ve openly admitted to this in board meetings). Similar to the printer industry’s “sell a cheap printer and make money on the ink/toner” model.

 

[dysamoria]

Far afield at this point, but there are avenues available for all to better their lot in life. Not saying it’s instant, but it can be done.

We will have to agree that we disagree, at this point.

There’s so much detail (and so many marginalized people) to bring into the discussion to make it truly representative of the majority of people. I don’t think I can convince you to see things from a perspective you have not lived, and it probably wouldn’t change anything else if I could, so... ??‍♂️

Thanks for engaging in a thoughtful manner.

 

[dysamoria]

Oh of course that's the reason why.

But that's what makes them hypocrites when it comes to social justice.

Yes it does.

One really painful lesson I’ve had to learn about all this stuff is that we have to take small wins where they exist, and pick our battles at times.

Apple isn’t the worst company in these regards. Despite my taking issue with Apple for many things, I can also agree that they actually do some things most of these corporatist monsters don’t/won’t do.

Sometimes it’s just lip service. Sometimes it’s sincere. It’s better than nothing... and that reflects very poorly on our civilization. I have to take it (the good) where I can get it.

 

[dysamoria]

Same bad crowd. Grifting quacks and con artists.

I despise woo and anti-science junk peddlers.

 

[I7guy]

I can’t judge every individual’s needs or purchase choice merits, true.

However, there’s plenty of proof (and other people have been presenting evidence for it for ages) that the majority of purchases are driven by aggressive marketing, withholding support on older versions, and premature failure of existing products (if not in hardware, definitely in software; perfectly good devices become nigh useless due to the bloat of successive OS updates people are pressured to install).

As for the cost of smart TVs, the $399 price tag isn’t what customers are truly paying, and isn’t the value companies are extracting from the purchase. Companies sell these things at low prices (some have reported “at a loss”) not for the sake of “inexpensive goods” (or a lack of greed), but because they’re expecting to make the real money on data-mining and deals with subscription services (and boy do they ever; they’ve openly admitted to this in board meetings). Similar to the printer industry’s “sell a cheap printer and make money on the ink/toner” model.

There is so much out there, generalizations don't hold water: https://relinklabs.com/4k-non-smart-tv/

What happened to personal responsibility? Now it's a companies fault because the consumer is throwing their money at various products? And while I'm sure there are premature failures in devices. However, if that were really the norm and not the exception, we would know about it.

 

[I7guy]

We will have to agree that we disagree, at this point.

There’s so much detail (and so many marginalized people) to bring into the discussion to make it truly representative of the majority of people. I don’t think I can convince you to see things from a perspective you have not lived, and it probably wouldn’t change anything else if I could, so... ??‍♂️

Thanks for engaging in a thoughtful manner.

In case you missed this quote about Harold Schultz: "Howard Schultz has propelled his way out of poverty through hard work and persistence." Now that doesn't mean that every apple store employee and/or marginalized person can do the same, but it doesn't mean they can't either.

You are welcome!