You mean from nations that produce 90% of the worlds goods? Apple btw doesn’t manufacture anything.
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Apple Puts Foxconn Factory in India on Probation Following Protests
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Not sure that will work in the phone and computer industry. How many US workers will sign up for $2-3/hr? Or at US labor rates, how many US consumers would buy a $2500 base Macbook Air or $4,000 base MacBook Pro 14.
Remember Apple does/did make the Mac Pro in the US. You know the system priced up to $50,000 with a $999 monitor stand.
No it doesn’t depend. If you put $$$$ before people you get a race to the bottom, with multibillionaires owning everything and yourself on the next to exploit. I know it seems fashionable to think that the free market is the best solution but without some regulation and workers rights, you will be exploited, it’s just a matter of when they get round to you. All this advertising and quasi politics is run by, …… the rich, and they don’t care about you at all.
ROFLMAO. Right. How about you change your carrier, goto India/China or wherever Foxcon has manufacturing or assembly facilities for Apple’s products and work there. Use ONLY those earnings for your livelihood and then come back try singing that tune. I’m sure you’ll be happy and elated and at that point find with your earnings as an assembly line worker.
The USA hasn’t been a textile nation for decades! Most typical American citizens let alone preteens and teens would not want to work in a factory or have hard labour with subpar earnings. I’m sure you’ll be happy to purchase a $3500 iPhone because it was made in the USA.
I doubt you’ve fully thought through your statement in how Apple could manufacture goods in the USA. They tried with the trash can Mac Pro look how well that went lol.
Nah Apple should KEEP their independent auditors there, without announcement or communication to anyone, for at least a year to ensure crap like this doesn’t happen again. Probation and suspending factory operation twice in its first year (or a year) is telling something is very wrong there!
The change in facility management is promising but good sources should be changed, checked and triple checked repeatedly!!
Nobody in this day and age should be suffering poor working conditions let alone food poisoning.
THIS is profound. This insight is something all Apple fans and product owners should consider. Sure we all want quality products but having threads wining and complaining vs just exchanging under warranty to resolve your issue is becoming worse lately.
Wow! The ignorance in this post is atrocious!
These people?
Not thankful to be working and having jobs?
Did you fully read the article? indian citizens working in this foxcon factory have been poisoned! The protests most likely came about not simply from that or poorer conditions but form lack of action consideration nor change from leadership at the factory. Hence why leadership is being changed by Foxconn themselves!
Indians, by any worldly measure are THE most hardest working people on the planet and they do so constantly in what we in the western world would consider the worst conditions ever. India is still a textile nation, heavily so! One of the last in the world truthfully.
Do some research about India, it’s culture, working conditions and typical lifestyle. They are a very proud (culture, faith and love) yet humble people. Many crave for knowledge.
Before using “these people” term again consider we all live on this planet all have the same blood types, we all seek shelter, love, knowledge and a good life and breathe the same air.
Illogical argument. I’m not a corporate executive making 200-300 times the pay of an average employee.
If I WAS given 200-300 times the pay of other employees, YES I absolutely WOULD voluntarily offer to hand some of my pay to fellow employees so they didn’t have to struggle while I was being handed grotesque luxury.
Executives don’t do anything that justifies “scaling” their pay to 200-300 times the “value” of other employees. It’s utterly ludicrous, and unethical.
??♂️ What? How are you assembling this strawman out of the things I’ve said? That’s also quite bizarre.
If you’re going to make some kind of argument, try using the actual available content and not drawing wild conclusions based on stuff that only exists in your own head.
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I understand. However this sounds like do as I say and not as I do.
You’re salary may be 200 times that if some fellow human beings.
In your opinion, but maybe what you make you don’t deserve to make 200 times that of some other fellow human being doing piece work.
Again: You’re pulling the numbers from the wrong pile. Stop presuming that a company and its executives MUST take as much profit and pay as they do.
We are talking about companies that make INSANE profit. They don’t NEED to price things as high as they do. This is not what things actually cost to produce and sell. This is what it costs to subsidize the greed of the culture of the corporate executive class and tax evasion.
They do it because the religion of laissez-faire capitalism says people can squeeze as much blood from the stone as the stone will give, even when the stone is being crushed to sand.
You’re equivocating unlike things. It makes no sense to hold people to the same standard when one person is struggling to pay for their mere survival and the other person is making more money than they need or could ever spend in their lifetime.
Do you not see this difference? You’re comparing apples & oranges, not apples & apples.
By the way, I make a salary of zero dollars. I’m “lucky” to be barely surviving on disability (thanks to employer-caused PTSD and a sleep disorder), and occasional assistance from family & friends. Yes, some people have it worse than me. I’m well aware, and I advocate for them where I can. I am certainly not in the class of “I buy luxury goods every year/week/day just because I can”.
I have an iPhone 6s, an original iPad Pro, and two Macs (one is second hand) that are old enough to be stuck at High Sierra (and one was upgraded to High Sierra via a hack, not native support by Apple). I have avoided upgrading my stuff for many years because I don’t have money to throw around. I’ve been saving for a replacement primary computer for years. It’s very hard to do with almost no money coming in.
Paying workers a living wage doesn’t have to make these products even more expensive. This is arguing to support the greed inherent in the so-called economy. We aren’t looking at an issue of “cost of development & manufacturing + reasonable profit margin”. There are excessive profit margins and there is greed.
I don’t know how to explain to you why these 1 to 1 comparisons across unlike groups don’t make logical sense.
we are so fortunate to have someone like you that can decide how much money people should be allowed to make.
In both your comments you missed an important point. There is no room for dissent in China.
Just another Bhopal in the legacy of corporate venality and consumer greed that keeps the sweatshops grinding out tat for the affluenza pandemic in the first world.
Yes, management should be held accountable for this.
Yes, giving people work that might not have had work is a positive. But make sure the working conditions are up to snuff.
Seems like Foxconn will have a lot of challenges over the next few years.
asia.nikkei.com
China's Luxshare builds iPhone mega-plant to challenge Foxconn
Chinese assembler makes aggressive bid to expand in Apple supply chain
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So when you have no rational argumentation, you turn to sarcasm and ad hominem attacks. Do you actually think you’re winning some kind of argument this way?
... because corporate America abandoned the workforce we had for this decades ago to exploit workers overseas for greater profits, NOT lower prices for customers. IE: industry’s self-inflicted injuries.
Robotics are close, and if you can program the exact motions, ones that you can repeat a thousand times exactly the same, maybe it can be automated.
Problem is that you’d have to create a lot of unique tooling for this. Humans are still far better at manipulating small objects in assembly than machines because we can think and machines cannot. (There’s still no such thing as AI. Everything using that term is not AI).
We can hold things with two very dexterous hands (even bad dexterity is better than the zero dexterity of robots that can only do specific programmed motions), adjusting as needed, without special trays, carriers, infinitely and perfectly repeatable motions, etc. that are required by a robotic setup.