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Non official source:confused::confused::confused:
A new MacPro arrive but it will be the last with PCIe.
This is made to get the pro who still work with PCIe cards as Avid HDX( just released)
It will have 16 core.

I hope that Avid and the others audio/video developers go to thunderbold:D:D

Last with PCIe? As in they're getting rid of towers forever? That would be an asinine move on Apple's part (TB is no replacement for a full bus in professional circles and even the average consumer circle that needs an occasional card which are DIRT CHEAP on PCIe, but will cost a small fortune for TB is/when they ever come out).

Ah well, without Steve Jobs, it's just a matter of time before Apple frack themselves back to the stone ages again just like in the 1990s. :(
 
It's a shame, they should at least keep it an online only order if they decide to get rid of it.
 
Ah well, without Steve Jobs, it's just a matter of time before Apple frack themselves back to the stone ages again just like in the 1990s. :(

Maybe they will release an oversized Mac Mini Server. Might even ship with...

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Isnt TB 4x only?
Yes, the TB chip is attached to the system via 4x PCIe 2.0 lanes (2GB/s), and there's a bit of a performance hit (800 - 850MB/s per pipe <up/down>, so ~1.6 - 1.7GB/s total as it is bidirectional).
 
As a pro Photographer, with a girlfriend who is a nearly full-time vlogger and digital artist, having the Mac Pro makes our work not slow and sucky. Even the fastest MBP can't compare to the speed and screen real-estate of a Mac Pro with tower.
After they blew up their userbase with the Final Cut X fiasco, and continue to dumb down the OS with useless features (i.e Lion), Pro users like me are left wondering wtf Apple is thinking. I know that we aren't a huge audience but the profit margin has to be extremely high for the Mac Pros.
If this rumor were to be true my WORK would become far more time consuming and difficult. My machine will last me (I would think) 5 years or more. But when I do need to upgrade and there isn't a pro-desktop anymore, what will people like me do?
 
I see more and more on forums considering moving to Windows. Problem for me as a musician I Use Logic - and that is Mac only.

So a Hackintosh could be a solution - but how powerful can that be?

Wish the Mac Pros used standard MB's so you could at least reuse the brilliant case design.
 
So a Hackintosh could be a solution - but how powerful can that be?

I'm not sure what you mean. "Powerful" depends on the motherboard and CPU among other things. You can top the performance of the single CPU MPs easily for half the price. If you want 8 or 12 core xeon you can do it but the savings aren't nearly as much.

You can also get things like SATA III, USB3, more ram slots than the 4 in the base MP (and more than the 8 in the high end if you're willing to spend the money). Plus overclocking is very easy and most of those CPUs can go quite a bit faster without issue.

So to answer the question, definitely can get as powerful as MP and more, in many cases much cheaper. Not as convenient but there are hackintosh installs that are extremely straightforward at this point. Really the only complaint about the hackintosh I built two years ago is that it's really loud compared to MP and doesn't have fan speed control.

If apple drops the MP without a suitable replacement, many will go windows but I suspect there will be quite a few new hackintosh users. I guess that still keeps them on the platform even if Apple isn't selling hardware to them.
 
I know that we aren't a huge audience but the profit margin has to be extremely high for the Mac Pros.
The MP has good margins, but even so, it doesn't make a big contribution to the bottom line, due to it's current sales volume, and the growth rate of workstations are in negative territory.

Combining these facts tend to cause products to be EOL'ed. Now whether or not Apple will do this isn't absolutely known, but looking at their more recent history, it seems possible IMO. Even probable. :eek:

For me at least, when is the real question now. From a technical POV (performance), cutting the MP before consumer grade SP socket parts reach 8 cores on a single die would be a mistake. But if the financials look that horrible to Apple, they could go ahead and cut it before this happens.

BTW, 8 cores on a single SP die is expected with Haswell, which is the architecture to follow Ivy Bridge. Please note however, I'm talking about the enthusiast/SP Xeon socket (i.e currently is LGA1366, and will be LGA2011 with the SB and IB series), not the mainstream consumer socket that will be used for Haswell.

The reasoning behind this, is Apple's margins would put MSRP's too high to continue with DP systems (DP parts are expensive; Intel's margins combined with Apple's is reaching the point where it will be untenable for enough potential buyers that the negative growth would eventually create a financial loss if they continued with it too long). BTW, the margin on the base DP model is 56%, and 57% for the SP base unit. But since the costs are lower for the SP systems, it's easier for potential buyers to justify/accept.

If this rumor were to be true my WORK would become far more time consuming and difficult. My machine will last me (I would think) 5 years or more. But when I do need to upgrade and there isn't a pro-desktop anymore, what will people like me do?
If this happens, you'd have a couple of choices.
  1. Switch (PC running Windows, Linux, or both = switch software as well as hardware; full support, including the OS, from the system vendor though).
  2. Hackintosh (still a PC, but running OS X and all OS support is on the user).
As per this requiring more time, I'm not sure, given posts from other members.

I see more and more on forums considering moving to Windows. Problem for me as a musician I Use Logic - and that is Mac only.

So a Hackintosh could be a solution - but how powerful can that be?
In terms of hardware, as powerful or more so than an MP, depending on what you're using, and whether or not you're willing to Over Clock it. And as you'd be using standardized equipment, things like the PSU and case can be recycled if you're building the system yourself.
 
Tim cook, are you reading these?

Apple's general market is not business/enterprise. I have made a career in IT running all Mac offices. i got a rude awakining at a interview at an Apple Store.
Out of the 100 people there I was the only on who raised his hand when they asked about where a mac was used.What needs to be done is a redesign TO MAKE IT MORE PROFITABLE! Creative professionals don't want to mess with linux, Hackintosh, etc. they want to work AND KNOW THE MACHINE IS GOING TO PERFORM ! At my last job in the creative department everybody has an INTEL Mac Pro Tower with 4 1 TB HD and a minimum of 12 GB RAM.
They are at the end of Life Cycle (On Paper Only) and when looking for ways to save money i asked the Art Director if she would prefer a 27" i7 iMac with aother 27" monitor. She said NO and she would stick with the tower.
If Apple is REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THIER CUSTOMERS,
KEEP THE MAC PRO TOWER !!!
And it's the last unit to run thier server on but that's another thread !
 
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At my last job in the creative department everybody has an INTEL Mac Pro Tower with 4 1 TB HD and a minimum of 12 GB RAM.

They are at the end of Life Cycle (On Paper Only) and when looking for ways to save money i asked the Art Director if she would prefer a 27" i7 iMac with aother 27" monitor. She said NO and she would stick with the tower.
While I am with you here, I suggest installing a single workstation with the iMac and monitor arrangement with an external RAID over Thunderbolt. Let users use it who need next gen speed and see if they like it.

I predict Apple will kill the Pro soon in favor of a Mac-Mini form factor. A lot of minis fit on a rack, and there is no reason why it can't have 12-24 cores per box.

Rocketman

http://www.fcp.co/final-cut-pro/articles/380-the-top-ten-things-we-love-about-thunderbolt
 
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I predict Apple will kill the Pro soon in favor of a Mac-Mini form factor. A lot of minis fit on a rack, and there is no reason why it can't have 12-24 cores per box.

Suggested that earlier and got nothing but negative votes.
 
PC moterboards, while a commodity, also come in a wide range of form factors. If one vendor specialized in a board that fits old MacPro boxen, one might have a real business model.

More likely, one would have a real lawsuit on their hands - I doubt that Cupertino would permit such a thing.
 
Sue you for what? Copying the location of the screw holes and ports? Come to think of it, I suppose Apple *is* that petty.
 
The board uses a standard for board format (SSI CEB), not a proprietary solution, so they couldn't sue over that. :eek: :)

Are you sure about that - SSI CEB is a dual CPU socket board - the Mac Pro motherboard doesn't even have CPU sockets.

SSI CEB Board (Intel S5000VCL):

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Mac Pro 2009 board:

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Not too similar.... Note the SATA power/signal sockets along the top, and the lack of memory or CPU sockets.

An SSI CEB mobo is 305 × 267 mm, the Apple board is about 385 x 232 mm (rough estimate based on the known length of the PCIe x16 sockets on the board).
 
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Again, I'm not exactly sure why making up your own board design would be lawsuit material. It'd just have to fit in the case, it doesn't have to have the exact same design with the daughtercard and all that, and even if you decided to use a daughtercard you could have your own design for it.

Mac upgrade kits of similar sorts have been around a long time anyway. I don't recall if anyone's ever made a drop in motherboard replacement but there have been some very interesting daughtercards.
 
A /. weenie uttered:

I've played this parallel cost analysis game several times, and if you don't need high bandwidth communication between the threads, I usually come up with the Google solution: a big farm of cheap machines. AMD chips start looking good compared to Intel because you're not after a single thread finishing as fast as possible, you're after as many FLOPS per $ as you can get. We even did the analysis for an extreme Apple fanboi: MacPros vs MacMinis back in 2007, and a stack of 25 minis came out way more powerful than the 3 or 4 Pros you could get for the same money.
 
A /. weenie uttered:

I've played this parallel cost analysis game several times, and if you don't need high bandwidth communication between the threads, I usually come up with the Google solution: a big farm of cheap machines. AMD chips start looking good compared to Intel because you're not after a single thread finishing as fast as possible, you're after as many FLOPS per $ as you can get. We even did the analysis for an extreme Apple fanboi: MacPros vs MacMinis back in 2007, and a stack of 25 minis came out way more powerful than the 3 or 4 Pros you could get for the same money.

I understand but how about GPU? I doubt the Mac Mini (even stacked) can support a full desktop graphics card.
 
Again, I'm not exactly sure why making up your own board design would be lawsuit material.

If there are any patents on the mobo layout - matching the layout could (I say *could*) get you in trouble.

For example, perhaps the SATA sockets directly on the mobo or some other part of the disk mounting have associated patents.
 
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Are you sure about that - SSI CEB is a dual CPU socket board - the Mac Pro motherboard doesn't even have CPU sockets.

Not too similar.... Note the SATA power/signal sockets along the top, and the lack of memory or CPU sockets.

An SSI CEB mobo is 305 × 267 mm, the Apple board is about 385 x 232 mm (rough estimate based on the known length of the PCIe x16 sockets on the board).
The 2006 - 2008 logic boards were ODM'ed by Intel, and used the SSI CEB spec (it was followed fully at during those models).

As per the newer board, they certainly modified things, but I suspect if you actually held one up to an SSI CEB, the holes would in fact be in the same locations (could get another stand-off/hole or two, but that's not too much work to drill and tap another couple of holes on the case's main board tray). The PCIe slot locations and rear panel are the same in order to keep from having to develop an entirely new case (I'm not getting too caught up in exact placement <100% compliance>, since they did go to a two board solution). Just needed to follow enough to only have to re-design some of the internals to make it fit rather than the entire case (faster to get the assembly line up and running as well as cheaper).
 
The 2006 - 2008 logic boards were ODM'ed by Intel, and used the SSI CEB spec (it was followed fully at during those models).

As per the newer board, they certainly modified things, but I suspect if you actually held one up to an SSI CEB, the holes would in fact be in the same locations (could get another stand-off/hole or two, but that's not too much work to drill and tap another couple of holes on the case's main board tray). The PCIe slot locations and rear panel are the same in order to keep from having to develop an entirely new case (I'm not getting too caught up in exact placement <100% compliance>, since they did go to a two board solution). Just needed to follow enough to only have to re-design some of the internals to make it fit rather than the entire case (faster to get the assembly line up and running as well as cheaper).

Note that the back of the board (right side) has a non-ATX-standard header panel, and the PCIe slots are inset to the left (on ATX boards the PCIe bulkhead connectors line up with the header panel).

The mobo manufacturers pop out boards left and right - they could easily create a non-standard sized/shaped board with the holes placed as necessary and an appropriate header panel.

The issues I think would be Apple patents, if any, and whether they'd sell enough to make a profit.
 
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