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So if you're still on 12.6.2 ... should you install this or not?
I'm not falling for this bate and switch. I'll stay right where I am. There's got to be a catch.
[doublepost=1507548453][/doublepost]What do they mean PC 32 bit version of iTunes? Apple said they don't support 32 bit desktop OS. My Mac Pro1,1 Lion can not run the latest iTunes because they say it's 32 bit. I hope they are not still supporting windows xp.
 
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Tim: We ****** up. Don't tell anyone. Just put back the app section in iTunes. Don't tell anyone. Don't let people know.
 
So if you're still on 12.6.2 ... should you install this or not?

Yes, if you want the old AppStore and app management functionalities to stay. Once 12.6.3 is installed, macOS won’t bother to remind you to upgrade to 12.7 in future, unless done manually.
 
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Glad its back but would prefer a separate app for it as every time I clicked on a link I had to run to iPad or iPhone to look up game etc to get it! This was I can still look on my MacBook and not involve phone or iPad.
 
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I’m fine with the new version, and keeping it.. less bloat and it works for my needs.
Did you know that iTunes 12.7 can still display App Store pages (by redirecting from particular iTunes.store.apple.com pages)? In other word, most of the App Store related code is still in 12.7, it is just hidden in the UI. Thus the only thing that is less bloated in 12.7 is the preferences window.

But I guess 'bloat' is more of an imagined thing than reality. iTunes mainly feels slowish and old because it is using old code not because it has many features.
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I'm not falling for this bate and switch. I'll stay right where I am. There's got to be a catch.
Yes, the catch is that 12.6.2 officially cannot support iOS 11 and the iPhone 8 and X.
 
...without offering an alternative. iTunes is a bloated mess, so removing it makes sense, but they at least need to provide a viable way to keep backups of Apps so that people with slow internet connections don't have to download everything again and again.

Technically they do. It's the content caching service as part of High Sierra else macOS Server for Sierra and earlier. That said, it gives no direct method of determining what it keeps and what it doesn't from the various Apple Stores. How well it works in lieu of apps in iTunes will come down to how much space you can give it. I doesn't take much to bloat it full of macOS installers, iCloud photos content (if you enable iCloud content) etc.
 
wow, one of the rare times, if not first times - that I remember, App,e is outting a feature back. now i can dl itunes
[doublepost=1507550388][/doublepost]what dies "business edition" even mean? Are they foing to maintain 2 different versions of iTunes going forward? That would be stupid.
 
Good. Not everyone like my parents dsl 6000 got a fast enough connection to just keep redownloading every app after each restore

It's sounds by what your saying that it is as if your parents, for some reason, are doing restores on their hardware every other day..... In a normal setup I know my mom never needed to do a restore on her iPhone and even if she did for that one blue moon chance that it happens downloading everything again will not be that difficult, now as for other side of the coin, getting the app store back in iTunes will just blaot the application more for ever not only for that once in a blue moon chance of needing the appstore.
 
I'm so confused with this info...rebuild my iTunes library? That's the part the scares me. We need a video to show exactly how to do this. I've spent way too much time on my desktop Mac mini creating my own cover art and have over 6000 songs in my library to mess this up.
 
Now if we can get Apple to walk back other bad decisions: Headphone jack, Hide ugly top bezel on iPhone X, Restore Touch ID in iPhone XI, Restore 32bit apps, Remove ugly all white iTunes interface, Restore app purchase transfers in iTunes to desktop, iPhone 5 formfactor, High Sierra for Mac Pro 1,1, iCloud for Snow Leopard, etc...
Hmmm not sure I agree with some of those, especially the 32 app thing. Touch ID yes, headphone jack no.
 
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So does rebuilding the library reset playcounts and last played?

And does 12.6.3 also restore the edit playlist button and not have the 3 line column browser bug, anyone?
 
wow, one of the rare times, if not first times - that I remember, App,e is outting a feature back. now i can dl itunes
[doublepost=1507550388][/doublepost]what dies "business edition" even mean? Are they foing to maintain 2 different versions of iTunes going forward? That would be stupid.
If the only thing that is different is to hide certain functionality from the UI in one version (dropdown menu doesn't contain the 'Apps' and 'Tones' section), that shouldn't be too difficult. Ok, there are other changes, the 'iTunes U' section was added to the 'Podcasts' section and the 'Internet Radio' to the 'Music' section in 12.7, and the device synching got a File Sharing section instead of the Apps section.
 
Did you know that iTunes 12.7 can still display App Store pages (by redirecting from particular iTunes.store.apple.com pages)? In other word, most of the App Store related code is still in 12.7, it is just hidden in the UI. Thus the only thing that is less bloated in 12.7 is the preferences window.

But I guess 'bloat' is more of an imagined thing than reality. iTunes mainly feels slowish and old because it is using old code not because it has many features.
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Yes, the catch is that 12.6.2 officially cannot support iOS 11 and the iPhone 8 and X.

I’m just not an app kinda guy. I have less than 30 apps on a 128gb device. I find apps in general to be bloat. People just download apps just to download apps.

I have the few I need so the new iTunes is fine by me. Again, I really only use iTunes to back up my devices anyways and since it backs up all my app data I’m fine. If I need to download another app doing it from my device works.
 
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That and feedback from customers (such as myself) hopefully played a factor. iTunes is one of the only ways to install older software I have from iTunes backups on older devices. Some Applications (or older versions) are no longer on their servers, or, accessible because a newer “older version” (hopefully that makes sense) lacks features or doesn’t work correctly.

Hopefully the app install / home screen edit, ability remains for good.
 
Why do consumers need the iOS AppStore on their PC? I was hoping this was a sign Apple was taking the bloat out of iTunes. Apparently not. Did they not do any sort of impact analysis before they removed it?

For years people have been complaining about iTunes being bloated. They slowly start removing features that are rarely used or needed. Yet as soon as they do people complain that something is being removed. They're not going to win.
 
If they didn't do it, I can see a class action lawsuit coming since it would keep those running iOS 10 and earlier from ever restoring their devices with older apps (like 32 bit) or apps that aren't available in the store but still work.
 
For years people have been complaining about iTunes being bloated. They slowly start removing features that are rarely used or needed. Yet as soon as they do people complain that something is being removed. They're not going to win.
I agree it's bloated, but don't remove one of the core things without a replacement. iOS Apps are essential and you don't just remove it without a replacement.
There's Books, Internet Radio and iTunes U. Why not remove those first?
 
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