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That might actually make the 5.0GHz @ 40Hz range really, really good. I haven't seen any other 3x3 stream 5GHz router close to those numbers.

I hope this change is also included in the new Time Capsule?

Yes, of course! ;) The only difference between TC and AEBS is that TC has a hard drive inside.
 
I'm still disappointed

If MacRumors hadn't reported on the update, you wouldn't have ever even known. So how can it be a disappointment? If there's any important new tech going down, you can be sure that Apple will let you know with a big fanfare.

I figured Apple must be working toward giving us some sort of home media server. I have an iPhone, iPad, MacBook Pro, AppleTV, and a Time Capsule. All of my main media is on my Time Capsule. To get my media to my home theater, I have to turn on my MacBook Pro (just to run iTunes!) and use my AppleTV with my Time Capsule. THREE DEVICES. That's insane. It makes sense that if my media is on my Time Capsule, I should be able to retrieve it from my AppleTV and play it through my home theater.

So it's not just MacRumors that has me wanting this update, it's my whole entertainment system begging for me to cut the cord with my MacBook Pro!
 
2 TB model

Hi there.

Does anyone know if the 2 tb model has had any changes at all or if it is just the "old" model being sold to a cheaper price?
 
I figured Apple must be working toward giving us some sort of home media server. I have an iPhone, iPad, MacBook Pro, AppleTV, and a Time Capsule. All of my main media is on my Time Capsule. To get my media to my home theater, I have to turn on my MacBook Pro (just to run iTunes!) and use my AppleTV with my Time Capsule. THREE DEVICES. That's insane. It makes sense that if my media is on my Time Capsule, I should be able to retrieve it from my AppleTV and play it through my home theater.

So it's not just MacRumors that has me wanting this update, it's my whole entertainment system begging for me to cut the cord with my MacBook Pro!

I'd be shocked if Apple has any grand plans for a media server. They don't want us owning anything. I think they'd like nothing more than for us to use iTunes or the :apple:TV to rent everything from them at $3-6 a pop. If Apple could find a way to prevent us from ripping media to .m4v so it could be played through iTunes, they probably would.
 
Honestly I don't mind renting things. I use both Netflix (on AppleTV) and rent from AppleTV as well. I'd rather pay $3 for a new movie than pay $10-$20 for a bluray or whatever and only watch it once. I have a life. I can't sit around and watch movies all day multiple times.
 
You can't really compare Time Capsule to a regular external hard drive for obvious reasons.

First of all Time Capsule has a built in Dual-Band router, one of very few that manages 3x3 stream wireless.

I've got a dual-band router from Netgear. It works beautifully since the last firmware update (zero problems in 4 months now of 24/7 operation). It also support UPnP and DLNA. Just plug in any external USB2 hard drive and you have an instant poor man's NSA solution. Sadly, AppleTV has no support for accessing any kind of NSA-like device directly unless you hack it to run XBMC and use that instead. There is no excuse for this. Apple could have added UPnP support OR created their own server solution for the Time Capsule. They've chosen to just ignore it all and make users dedicate a full time computer to run their full media libraries on AppleTV. That's kind of sad, really.

Secondly using Carbon Copy or TimeMachine to and external hard drive isn't really comparable to using Time Capsule as it would do automatic backups for you WIRELESSLY instead of you having to manually go and grab your external hard drive and hook it up in order to get the job done.

Personally, I don't like wireless backups as they're typically slow as hell (compared to Gigabit Ethernet or USB2/3 or FW400 or especially 800). I don't like Time Machine in general because it's not configurable and takes CPU and hard drive time any time it activates (not insignificant, IMO). Given the Mac's lack of malware, I see no problem with leaving a primary backup drive plugged in all the time. A Time Capsule will not eliminate the need for a secondary off-site backup to truly ensure your data is safe so I see little difference between the two other than perhaps a central location to backup more than one computer in a given household (most Time Capsules aren't really large enough for that, IMO. In fact, if you have multiple computers you will probably NEED more storage to fully back them up).

If you don't see the difference between automatic wireless backup which you don't really need to worry about as it's done wirelessly without you needing to do anything for it to work. With an external hard drive you don't only have

I can schedule CCC to automatically backup my hard drives. I can have Time Machine back them up by leaving them plugged in. I don't see the real problem here. You say the two aren't comparable and I say they are within certain constraints. I prefer the speed and transportability of an external drive solution. You prefer the wireless router combo (which I can plug my external drive into my Netgear to get if I really wanted it).

to actually attach the device upfront, but you also got the whole hassle with the hard drive needed to be connected while TimeMachine (or Carbon Copy) does the backup. Compare to Time Capsule whereas you don't really need to think about having a hard drive attached limiting your portability and everything it's quite a huge difference if you ask me.

I don't get why that's a hassle. My PowerMac has its backup drive internal and backs up like lighting (my dock setup has a FW800 drive for my MBP and I can backup my Logic produced songs to my PowerMac's media USB3 drive over the network from another part of the house easily as soon as I make them). I have secondary off-site storage for long-term backups. Time Capsule doesn't solve the latter and is only marginally safer for the former, IMO.

Like you can read in this thread I'm one of those really disappointed about how little Apple did with the Time Capsule this time around so I'm by no means a Apple bloodsucker but still I understand that you can't simply compare a regular external hard drive and Time Capsule as they are quite different solutions.

They're not THAT different since they still accomplish the same thing. All three computers in my den are networked together at Gigabit speeds. Going wireless would slow the system down by a factor of 10.
 
Hi there.

Does anyone know if the 2 tb model has had any changes at all or if it is just the "old" model being sold to a cheaper price?

Hmmm I also wonder this. - I've just ordered the 2TB time capsule at the new price, and the part number (in the UK) is MD032B/A. - Not sure how this compares to the old 2TB part number. Any ideas?
 
Hmmm I also wonder this. - I've just ordered the 2TB time capsule at the new price, and the part number (in the UK) is MD032B/A. - Not sure how this compares to the old 2TB part number. Any ideas?

The previous part number for a 2TB Time Capsule in the UK was MC344B/A. Apple have been very sheepish in regards to the information it has put on the UK site. Whilst the Apple Store has 2/3TB units for sale the actual information still talks about 1/2TB units.

The fact they have a new part number means somthing has changed be it internal workings and based on the FCC reports it looks like its coverage as well as the increase in drive size.

It is pointless at this stage guessing what is new about this product until it is tried, tested and broken down and parts listed.

I think that the upgrade will some how enhance new features in Lion or iCloud but in what way I am not sure.
 
I've got a dual-band router from Netgear. It works beautifully since the last firmware update (zero problems in 4 months now of 24/7 operation). It also support UPnP and DLNA. Just plug in any external USB2 hard drive and you have an instant poor man's NSA solution. Sadly, AppleTV has no support for accessing any kind of NSA-like device directly unless you hack it to run XBMC and use that instead. There is no excuse for this. Apple could have added UPnP support OR created their own server solution for the Time Capsule. They've chosen to just ignore it all and make users dedicate a full time computer to run their full media libraries on AppleTV. That's kind of sad, really.

Dual-Band router from Netgear? Are you talking about the WNDR3700 / WNDR37AV or something else? Unless you are talking about the brand new WNDR4000 (which you obviously doesn't since you are talking about 4months old firmware for your router) you don't have 3x3 steam support in the first place which is a major advantage for Time Capsule / AirPort Extreme for those of us who own MacBook Pros running 3x3 stream capable wireless NIC's, we are talking about quite a noticeable performance boost here.

Nevertheless the WNDR3700 isn't a bad router, but the firmware is a bit clunky and the antenna coverage is pretty directional making it hard to place in the middle of a house and you can't seriously talk about adding USB-drives to the WNDR3700 as a alternative to Time Capsule as you are getting so darn slow speeds of the WNDR3700, like you do with all routers when adding external hard drive using the USB-port. You normally talk like 5-20mbps whereas with Time Capsule and a steady 3x3 link you would normally talk 75-110mbps.


I have to agree that wireless backup is darn slow, but as long as it's running in the background not nagging you it doesn't really matter and you could always use ethernet when doing the heaviest backup and you would see greater speeds compared to using USB2.0 anyways.
 
Dual-Band router from Netgear? Are you talking about the WNDR3700 / WNDR37AV or something else?

I have the WNDR3700.

Nevertheless the WNDR3700 isn't a bad router, but the firmware is a bit clunky and the antenna coverage is pretty directional making it hard to place in the middle of a house

Mine is placed at one side of the house (happens to be where my den is) and the last firmware update made it rock solid here.

and you can't seriously talk about adding USB-drives to the WNDR3700 as a alternative to Time Capsule as you are getting so darn slow speeds of the WNDR3700, like you do with all routers when adding external hard drive using the USB-port. You normally talk like 5-20mbps whereas with Time Capsule and a steady 3x3 link you would normally talk 75-110mbps.

Well, I was thinking more of a media server for AppleTV (using the Linux filesystem, it can do 20MB/sec READs, which is fast enough to use as a DLNA server, even for two HD video streams at the same time). This is getting back to my original complaint about the new time capsules and that is a lack of a solution for ATV serving, which was the rumored addition and obviously didn't happen. For backups, I use high speed connections (i.e. USB2/3 and FW800). Even 'fast' wireless is slow. I'm contemplating running ethernet to my downstairs home theater to avoid any interference hiccups with AppleTV there that occur once in awhile during daylight hours.
 
I totally agree that Apple has really screwed Apple TV2 owners (like myself) over when they simply refuses to add the capability of sharing media from Time Capsule.

In 2011 this don't make any sense at all if you ask me, and when Apple won't allow for uPNP on the Apple TV2 either things get stupid. Why do I actually have to boot up my MacBook Pro in order to get my iTunes library on my Apple TV2?

If it wasn't for the fact that my entire music collection is Apple Lossless and all my audiobooks are AAC (m4b) because I got an iPhone4 I would have just used my PlayStation3 Slim instead of Apple TV2 completely and just converted my collection into wav or flac.
 
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WTH??? Just went to local Apple store to pick up 2TB as I was planning to pull the trigger on an AEBS and figured at that price, might aaa well throw the hard drive in too. But... zero in stock!?! Is thy weird? Don't they usually ship new hardware for announcements?
 
This is really upsetting me. I ordered my APE two weeks ago off amazon. Data Vision was the vender and it took them a week to process my order because like everyone else they were out of stock. Then last week a shipment came in and they sent mine out. I asked them if the delay was because of the new APE and the lady said mine should be the new one because they had been waiting for some time to replenish their stock. Well it arrived today and its the MC340LL/A Model. Now Im not sure if I should send it back or not. Very frustrating. Does anyone know if the apple store will exchange it out if it is unopened? Not likely I imagine!
 
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WTH??? Just went to local Apple store to pick up 2TB as I was planning to pull the trigger on an AEBS and figured at that price, might aaa well throw the hard drive in too. But... zero in stock!?! Is thy weird? Don't they usually ship new hardware for announcements?

An out of stock product?!!?!??!? :eek:

Never heard of such thing you talk about.
 
Dual-Band router from Netgear? Are you talking about the WNDR3700 / WNDR37AV or something else? Unless you are talking about the brand new WNDR4000 (which you obviously doesn't since you are talking about 4months old firmware for your router) you don't have 3x3 steam support in the first place which is a major advantage for Time Capsule / AirPort Extreme for those of us who own MacBook Pros running 3x3 stream capable wireless NIC's, we are talking about quite a noticeable performance boost here.

Nevertheless the WNDR3700 isn't a bad router, but the firmware is a bit clunky and the antenna coverage is pretty directional making it hard to place in the middle of a house and you can't seriously talk about adding USB-drives to the WNDR3700 as a alternative to Time Capsule as you are getting so darn slow speeds of the WNDR3700, like you do with all routers when adding external hard drive using the USB-port. You normally talk like 5-20mbps whereas with Time Capsule and a steady 3x3 link you would normally talk 75-110mbps.


I have to agree that wireless backup is darn slow, but as long as it's running in the background not nagging you it doesn't really matter and you could always use ethernet when doing the heaviest backup and you would see greater speeds compared to using USB2.0 anyways.

I disagree completely with you on that last statement. I have the wndr3700 running openwrt, I get over 20MB/s on LAN speeds and I have seen it going at 60+Mbps when doing the time machine wireless backup. In regards to reception I can get about 10mbps 3 stories above. I have compared it's performance against the one of a similar ruckus(professional equipment, dual band 600$) and it's 99% the same.

Using the default netgear firmware keeps the router from showing it's true potential, like unlocking the dbm throughput.
 
I'm not a huge fan of OpenWRT and sadly DD-WRT on the WNDR3700 doesn't work that well, making the wireless performance going all over the place.

When it comes to the wireless coverage, like I said the WNDR3700 seems to have somewhat directional antennas pointing upwards from the unit when it lies flat on the ground so unless you have placed it sideways or anything I have no hard time believing you are getting some really decent performance several floors up, but what about if you take a notebook and move to the side of the router?

Our WNDR3700 is being used as and access point and I had to flip it sideways in order for it to reach from our hallway to the living room which is about 8-12 meters depending on where you decide to sit down in the living room.

Compare this to our DAP-2553 downstairs providing signal throughout the entire house in every direction from the floor below even further away from the living room and this is running 5GHz instead of 2.4GHz which we all know have limited range.


But that's enough with this off-topic **** chat. Time Capsule / AirPort Extreme seems to have received a major wireless boost which I hope and believe might make it into one of the best current 5.0GHz 3x3 stream capable routers on the market in regards of both wireless range and performance.
 
Is there a difference between the capabilities of an Airport Extreme + USB-HDD Config and a Time-Capsule (beside minor Speed differences caused by the USB bottleneck)?
 
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Not that I know of, but unless you got some older MacBook Pro or some really choppy wireless performance you would not see just "minor" speed difference, but rather major ones in my honest opinion.
 
I'm not too interested in the TC's Time-Machine function as I've got a seperate Time-Machine-Drive in bay 4 of my Mac Pro (my only Mac at the moment).

But I would be highly interested in hosting my music files for my ATV and in advanced iCloud functionality which might be possible after a firmware upgrade (both pure speculation, although...).
 
Is there a difference between the capabilities of an Airport Extreme + USB-HDD Config and a Time-Capsule (beside minor Speed differences caused by the USB bottleneck)?

There is no, or very small difference in this case.
Because USB speed is 480 Mbps = 60 MBps and most external
drives have speed around 40-50 MBps - no difference.
But there are some (more expensive) drives which get around 70 MBps - minor difference.

All the other capabilities are the same.
AEBS is just a TC without a hard drive inside.
Also, it will be much cheaper to buy AEBS + External drive rather than a TC ;)
 
All the other capabilities are the same.
AEBS is just a TC without a hard drive inside.
Also, it will be much cheaper to buy AEBS + External drive rather than a TC ;)

Especially when you've got a spare one floating around in your junk drawer....


If there will be future functionality enhancements (firmware) regarding iCloud, I guess this should be the same for TC and AEBS (at least hope so).
 
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