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It's the insane European taxes that kill the prices for us. We can only hope that when TTIP arrives,
Let's hope it won't arrive, as I'd prefer that - for example - our food standards remain the same (instead of being lowered to the American standards).

we can freely import electronics from the US...
And this definitely won't happen. You're from The Netherlands. 20% of all the money the government earns, comes from VAT. There will be no way that the Dutch government will sign a (trade) agreement that involves the risk of losing so much money.

Over time, the US dollar will decrease in value while other currencies will increase in value - and then, hopefully, we'll see similar price drops again.
 
In march, they raised the prices of different products than today. The desktop Macs stayed the same then, now their prices are being adapted too.

If you do the maths, you'll get to quite similar numbers, except Apple won't sell something for odd numbers like 2237,43 € obviously.

For example, the 15" Retina MBP base model:

  • US price: 1999 $ (excluding VAT), stayed the same for almost 2 years
  • In mid 2014, 1 €*was about 1.3 $ then, so 1999 $ / 1.3 = 1.537.69 €, plus VAT for example in germany 19 %, so 1537.69 € / 0.81 = 1898.38 €, now that's still a 100 € less than the actual price of 1999 €, but that difference is 5 %.
  • In march 2015, 1 €*was less than 1.05 $, so 1999 $ / 1.05 = 1903.81 €, plus 19 % german VAT that's 1903.81 € / 0.81 = 2.350,38 €. With an actual price of 2249 € in march, the 15" MBP base model was even 100 € cheaper for german customers.
  • Today, 1 €*is about 1.13 $, so 1999 $ / 1.13 = 1769.03 €, plus VAT 1769.03 € / 0.81 = 2183.99 €, while the entry price of the new model remains 2249 €. As you see, there's always fluctuation, sometimes in favor of Apple and sometimes in the customer's favor.

What kind of VAT calculation are you doing?

$1999 /(1.3$/€)=1538€
1538€+19% VAT= 1538*1.19€=1830,22€

Today
$1999 /(1.13$/€)=1769€
1769€+19% VAT= 1769*1.19€=2105€

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If you're trying to tell me what I think you're trying to tell me, then you're wrong.

The 19 % VAT in germany I mentioned are 19 % of the gross price, which already includes the VAT, not of the net price.

That means, according to the math you did (correctly), that the german VAT is actually 23.45 % of the net price. Which means that my calculations were correct.

Wrong, the 19% is over the net price

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The gross price already includes the VAT, but the percentage is applied to the net and added, as usual. The gross is calculated from the net, not the reverse (well, sellers will do the reciprocal calculation to show a nice number, but not customs).

Exactly this
 
The last increase was in March and at that time the EUR/USD pair was exactly at the same levels as of today, so there is NO EXCUSE for Apple to do this.

... They mentioned currency headwinds a lot on their last conference call, maybe they raised them a bit in March to counteract the sustained downfall of the EUR/USD, but not as much as they should have if the trend continued, which it is, and so they've now adjusted it again? It's not like they have to justify their decision to us though lol..
 
They don't charge more, and never have. At least not much more...

US prices don't include VAT, as it varies extremely between US states.

EU prices however do include VAT, about 20 % in most EU states.

Simple as that.

High end mb pro 5 inch is 100 usd cheaper in us than here in czech republic - prices before tax. Compares
 
What does USD have to do with this ? Except the Mac Pro, all the Apple products are made in China. Then, they're shipped directly to Europe when all the money is funelled to Ireland, which uses euro, to escape taxation.
 
What does USD have to do with this ? Except the Mac Pro, all the Apple products are made in China. Then, they're shipped directly to Europe when all the money is funelled to Ireland, which uses euro, to escape taxation.

The point is to compare the prices in Europe before tax to USA, as it's typical for many companies to charge more than in their darling market.
 
hell no to that! do u want their toxic food???

They can keep their faux apples for all I know. :D

But seriously, my refurb'd rMBP may be my last apple product if that keeps on. Build a pc already and are in the market for a new phone but alas, not gonna lie: just doesn't seem worth it anymore.
 
A company already making such profits.
The prices in Europe where already ridicules, lets push them a little more.

This asks for a European boycott .:mad:

Join the boycott
 
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The point is to compare the prices in Europe before tax to USA, as it's typical for many companies to charge more than in their darling market.

Then, we should call it what it is... It's just adjustment due to exchange rates, it's just commercial policies... Like what the Japanese did in photography, it was a lot more expensive in Europe to be able to sell with very little margin in the US and kill the american competition... But this too had nothing to do with exchange rates...
 
Then, we should call it what it is... It's just adjustment due to exchange rates, it's just commercial policies... Like what the Japanese did in photography, it was a lot more expensive in Europe to be able to sell with very little margin in the US and kill the american competition... But this too had nothing to do with exchange rates...

Then you can also call it the European consumer subsidising the American consumer.
 
Interesting topic, here in Croatia (EU) apple is considerd realy expensive, altough you can buy a 2014. 11" air for a price at less than 900 € new rMBP is 2500 €, 2800 $, all prices are local and include VAT, and other taxes wich are more than in Italy or Germany. Not shure what are taxes in different US States but as much as I realise non of web advertised prices do not state taxes (MSRP?). So here is a fun fact, different product but still a luxury. New Audi A3 sedan, reasonable compact sedan, is priced at about 29700 $ in Croatia ( cars are taxed at 25% VAT, and 20% tax on cars ), taxes included and the same car (base model) in US is priced at 29.900 $ ( Audi site states price is without MSRP ). I presume that US trim level is better, and model starts with 1.8 tfsi engine where in Croatia entery model is 1.4 tfsi (125hp), (1.8 model starts at 39000 but comes at much greater tax wich is accounted on level of engine power so more power more money to the taxman) but probably not by much for base model. So avrage buyer in US will pay a bit more for the roughly same car in US, after taxes difference probably increases.
 
Apple's "innovation" in it's main product lines reeks of supply chain optimization and cash grab.

Either that or the term "incremental innovation" needs to be revised downwards when referring to Apple over the last 3 years.
 
It's not surprising, the prices are almost exactly what the conversion rate is.

I wouldn't expect Apple to eat that cost. It's just not their style. I would like them better if they did though ;)
 
It's not surprising, the prices are almost exactly what the conversion rate is.

I wouldn't expect Apple to eat that cost. It's just not their style. I would like them better if they did though ;)

Let's do one calculation properly this time:

Mac Pro, for Germany (19% VAT):

$3999 * 1.19 = $4758.81

At the current mid-market rate: 4268.52 EUR

Price at apple.de : 4599 EUR

7.7% more expensive. You decide. For me, it's not bad.
 
The gross price already includes the VAT, but the percentage is applied to the net and added, as usual. The gross is calculated from the net, not the reverse (well, sellers will do the reciprocal calculation to show a nice number, but not customs).

Oops, yes you are right. I always thought it was 19 % of the final price, but a quick google search proved that to be wrong. :confused:

While that makes my numbers inaccurate, it doesn't invalidate my statement. There isn't that much of a price difference between US and EU, so no real reason to complain.
 
Seems like Apple Hong Kong is still a good place to score some Apple products, the more expensive rMBP is still about US$ 60 less than in the US.
 

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Oops, yes you are right. I always thought it was 19 % of the final price, but a quick google search proved that to be wrong. :confused:

While that makes my numbers inaccurate, it doesn't invalidate my statement. There isn't that much of a price difference between US and EU, so no real reason to complain.

I was not making any judgement, just pointing out the bad VAT math, which is pretty common (that's why I also showed the reverse calculation).
 
Then, I don't know if americans get students discount as easily as we do. Apple seems to do very little checking here, you mainly just have to order through the student site to get the discount.
 
What does USD have to do with this ? Except the Mac Pro, all the Apple products are made in China. Then, they're shipped directly to Europe when all the money is funelled to Ireland, which uses euro, to escape taxation.

Share price reports in $USD. They need to maintain profit levels and margins as is to avoid a beatdown in the markets.

Publicly traded companies care about management salaries and shareholder profits. They give customers enough attention to make them feel happy, so they can continue to bleed the wallet dry :)
 
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