Apple Reaches Deal With France to Pay Estimated $571M in Back-Taxes

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Apple has reached a deal with French authorities to pay an undeclared amount of back-dated tax, according to multiple reports today.


    Apple's French division confirmed the tax payment agreement to Reuters, but didn't disclose how much it had agreed to pay, although French media suggest the sum is around 500 million euros ($571 million).
    France has been working diligently to stop tech companies like Apple from exploiting tax loopholes in the country. The loopholes are said to have allowed Apple to "minimize taxes and grab market share" at the expense of Europe-based companies.

    French President Emmanuel Macron is one of the leaders behind the tax crackdown on international tech companies, with a goal of bringing a more unified corporate tax system across the nineteen euro area states.

    As noted by, Apple and French tax authorities reached the agreement for the payment of several years of unpaid taxes in December, according to French newspaper L'Expansion. The agreement followed a meeting in October between Apple CEO Tim Cook and President Macron, in which both reportedly agreed that a solution would ultimately be enacted by the European Union rather than France.

    Apple has had trouble with French tax activist groups accusing the company of wide-scale tax evasion and occupying its Parisian retail stores. In February 2018, Apple sued the activist group "Attac" for its protests in stores, but the High Court of Paris denied Apple's request for an injunction that would have blocked the group from protesting.

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  2. alleggerita macrumors 6502


    Dec 19, 2011
    Tim ain’t gonna be happy about this. Be prepared for a price hike of 2019’s iPhone.
  3. Ma2k5 macrumors 68020


    Dec 21, 2012
    Given how the sales are not as expected, he may not be able to do so.
  4. ksec macrumors 6502a

    Dec 23, 2015
    Can someone explain, why would a company with majority of its R&D spent in US, and purchase component from Global sources, need to pay Tax in France? And What % does it need to pay?
  5. KrisLord macrumors 65816

    Sep 12, 2008
    Northumberland, UK
    “The loopholes are said to have allowed Apple to "minimize taxes and grab market share" at the expense of Europe-based companies“

    I don’t get this part.

    Yes it save Apple money, but how does it impact market share at the expense of Europe based companies? It’s not like there’s lots of EU phone companies manufacturing stuff here.
  6. dazlicous macrumors 6502a


    Jun 2, 2011
  7. KrisLord macrumors 65816

    Sep 12, 2008
    Northumberland, UK
    They’ve likely a French legal entity making retail sales in France, they’ll owe corporation tax based on the profit earned there.

    These decisions are always about what intercompany cross charges between Apple companies are allowed and what aren’t....
  8. timber macrumors 6502

    Aug 30, 2006
    Did you notice these news were from Apple's French division?
    That is a company in itself.
    As any other company it will pay taxes on its profits just like a champagne retailer will pay in the USA.
  9. drumcat macrumors 6502a


    Feb 28, 2008
    Otautahi, Aotearoa
    So, did they break a law? Or did the French government set up tax laws it regretted, and backtracked and arm-twisted a ransom from someone they saw as an easy target?

    I swear up and down this would not have happened if Trump was actually for American companies.
  10. magicschoolbus macrumors 65816


    May 27, 2014
  11. frifra macrumors 6502a


    Nov 29, 2008
    I don't know the details here, but tax evasion is a common game with multi-national companies.

    Starbucks for example does not make any profits in Germany for years, at least according to their tax statements. So, why keep the stores open? Well, if you just shift your profits by making your stores pay "license fees" to its mother company and list those as costs, then you don't make any profits.
  12. [AUT] Thomas macrumors 6502

    Mar 13, 2016
    Graz [Austria]

    Other than that: Trump can't do much here. Apple is barely paying taxes in the US. They are paying like 2% in Ireland.
    AFAIK the US Finance Administration is as much interested as the EU on eliminating tax loop holes like IP boxing.
    Because, in fact, a large corporation paying like 2% tax while a new start up faces the regular tax means it's even more complicated for them to be competitive and actually "start up".
    What would make sense is to ramp up sales tax and drop stupid things like wage taxes. That way, consumption would be taxed rather than labour. Taxing labour only makes production in western countries expensive, driving away jobs to (e.g.) China.
  13. Razzerman macrumors regular

    Sep 11, 2007
    Dear Apple,

    The UK could use a cash boost; can we have half a billion quid too please <3
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    ROGmaster macrumors 6502a

    Apr 12, 2018
    How terrible.
    I suggest opening an account so Apple can receive donations in order to recover some of the money they had to pay the French.
  15. arkitect macrumors 603


    Sep 5, 2005
    Bath, United Kingdom
    Theresa May would probably just give it away to the DUP… instead of spending it on the NHS.
  16. ksec macrumors 6502a

    Dec 23, 2015
    Which the French Apple Entity will have to pay back its amount owned to US Apple's IP. ( Or more like Irish Apple IP ). After subtracting the Rent and Employees in Apple Retail there should be relatively little profits left.

    This isn't really Tax evasion. Apple is still going to paid Tax in US ( Some day ) when it moves those money back to US Shores.

    Barely? Seriously? Or have you got it mixed up with Amazon ? Apple is the largest tax paying Company in US.
  17. BvizioN macrumors 601


    Mar 16, 2012
    Manchester, UK
    I find it hilarious that most people seem to think iPhone prices did increase on 2018 compared to the previous year model, when in fact they did not.
    I wish Tim created a "trash" version of iPhone for anyone who loves barging and doesn't care about quality.
  18. Razzerman macrumors regular

    Sep 11, 2007
    who would probably squander it on an IT system that wouldn't be fit for purpose :(
  19. pmau macrumors 68000

    Nov 9, 2010
    $500 Mil is next to nothing.
    Considering the prices in Europe.
  20. Romeo_Nightfall macrumors 6502


    Aug 8, 2018
    is this a real question? or sarcasm
    apple sells tons of stuff in the european union, which france is a part. due to tax loopholes the european union has created for multi national companies to settle down in ireland and netherland "double dutch irish sandwich" us and multis hardly pay ANY tax - they pay around 1 percent total tax for everything they sell and do.
    its not apples fault to use such holes, but the politicians need money to feed their entourage - and hence they now attack their beloved multis too.
    500 million is peanuts anyways
  21. dilbert99 macrumors 68000

    Jul 23, 2012
    Global companies operate and sell things globally. They should be prepared to pay their fair share of taxes.
  22. pmau macrumors 68000

    Nov 9, 2010
    Jean Claude Juncker is the name here. He is a really horrible person in my opinion.
  23. dilbert99 macrumors 68000

    Jul 23, 2012
    Its easy to look at two adjacent years and not see particular price rises, but over time you can see the increase in price due to both price rises and currency fluctuations. Apparently Apple fans could also see the marvelous, the gorgeous, the beautiful robe on that emperor.:D
    Such a happy chappy, but whatever.
  24. FreakinEurekan macrumors 68040


    Sep 8, 2011
    Eureka Springs, Arkansas
    Perhaps you missed the news? President Spray-Tan lowered Apple's tax rate from 35% to 21%, and gave them a one-time 15.5% rate for repatriated funds. It's all back, it cost Apple just $38 billion to USA and $16 billion to Ireland to move all $252 billion it had been storing there. So they "Only" get to keep $198 billion of it.

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