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I just got an iPad Air M3 and I also have an older iMac so I like Apple products and have used them for years, but I also have a Galaxy S24 Ultra phone. I can tell you Google is so far ahead with Google Assistant and Gemini AI it’s not even funny. I have watched Google Assistant get better and better over time and now with the integration of Gemini it’s going to be an absolute powerhouse of an assistant while people are still struggling to set a timer with Siri. To be honest, Siri was better with simple tasks a few years back than it is today.
It’s a powerhouse at returning inaccurate results. Bravo.

 
Siri sucks. i have like 5 use cases which cover 95% what i want to do with siri and it doesn't learn them no matter how often i use them. most times siri gets my commands wrong or worse it starts playing random songs or starts searching stuff. siri has totally useless features which i can't disable.
 
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Cook’s first instinct was correct. AI does suck. It just spits out results that are oftentimes realistic enough to give people a false sense of security about their accuracy. “It’s well-formatted and grammatically correct. It seems confident, too. It must be right!”

The truth is, AI has some legitimate use cases, but they aren’t as groundbreaking or Earth-shattering as what the Wall Street hype machine wants you to believe. Its answers should always be viewed skeptically.

It all boils down to this: Why would you want to put your faith in something that is orders of magnitude less powerful than the brain in your skull? That makes zero sense.

It makes far more sense to bake in a few AI-powered features where it does do a decent job (grammar and clarity checks, identifying patterns in data, etc), and ignore the rest. It shouldn’t be a flagship feature. Apple should scrap anything more than what they’ve already released. The features that are live now are already at the edge of what LLMs are actually capable of.
 
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Cook’s first instinct was correct. AI does suck. It just spits out results that are oftentimes realistic enough to give people a false sense of security about their accuracy. “It’s well-formatted and grammatically correct. It seems confident, too. It must be right!”

The truth is, AI has some legitimate use cases, but they aren’t as groundbreaking or Earth-shattering as what the Wall Street hype machine wants you to believe. Its answers should always be viewed skeptically.

It all boils down to this: Why would you want to put your faith in something that isn’t orders of magnitude less powerful than the brain in your skull? That makes zero sense.

It makes far more sense to bake in a few AI-powered features where it does do a decent job (grammar and clarity checks, identifying patterns in data, etc), and ignore the rest. It shouldn’t be a flagship feature. Apple should scrap anything more than what they’ve already released. The features that are live now are already at the edge of what LLMs are actually capable of.
Cook’s only instinct is 💰, he doesn’t care about the rest.
 
He won’t.

Apple is not an AI company in the same way they are not a cellular service provider.

And let’s make sure we have a good definition of groundbreaking as it’s not anything that exists today.
This is really short sighted. You are thinking they are two different products when the reality is they will be integrated into just one. If we had it your way then Apple would have realized a cellular phone, an iPod and a breakthrough internet communication device individually
 
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They should be disappointed and embarrassed. For too long Apple’s been allowed to get away with thinking their own **** doesn’t stink. As Jobs once said, “Real artists ship”.

Like the original iCloud team, they should be called before the CEO and asked the simple question: why doesn’t it work?

(Said with the love and affection of a longtime Apple user, who misses his old friend who used to be so amazing but has let himself go.)
 
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The human brain is a marvelous object that AI can’t even come close to replicating. On a scale from 1 to 100, with 1 being a house cat’s brain and 100 a human’s, AI is maybe a 2. Maybe.

Hey! My cat commands me to inform you cat brains are 120 on a scale of 1 to 100.

Seriously, though, cat brains are far above AI. More accurately, you can't really compare AI and animal brains on the same scale, because they are completely different things. It's not even trying to compare apples to oranges, it's like comparing apples to cars or something.

AI can do a limited amount of tasks, often even better than humans. But AI doesn't actually reason -- it just takes huge samples of data and finds the average. When a cat wants food, it looks at you very soulfully. If that doesn't work, it comes and rubs against you. Finally, it starts scratching and nipping at you. Can any AI do that? Throw a cat or a human into a new situation, and they start figuring out how to adapt. Throw AI a task it hasn't been trained in, it does nothing.
 
Would you buy OpenAI hardware? I wouldn’t. Selling cohesive system such as what Apple developed through the years is I think harder than it looks.
That's my point. They’re the only ones leading in the AI field, but I don't see them creating their own mobile OS and hardware that is integrated and has AI at its core. Is Apple not innovating as much as they were before? Yes. But no other brand is truly innovating at that level either. Right now, AI seems like a fad, and it's crazy that they dropped their Car development and AVP projects to focus on AI because of investors. I'm not saying they should be left behind. I don't want them to be a BlackBerry, but why jump into a market they've never been the best at (Siri)?
 
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The human brain is a marvelous object that AI can’t even come close to replicating. On a scale from 1 to 100, with 1 being a house cat’s brain and 100 a human’s, AI is maybe a 2. Maybe.

My cat disputes those numbers, as its brain has been refined by millions of years of evolution to be a hunter. Also it's cute and it purrs. 🐈

Now a parrot... something that repeats sounds it's heard over and over without knowing what they mean? That sounds more like an AI, if you're comparing them to something from the animal kingdom.
 
Setting timers, alarms, opening apps, HomeKit device control, getting directions, weather, sports scores, and inquiring about/interacting with mail, calendar, notes, reminders, and messages are all very easy and solid with Siri.
But many people have essentially the opposite experience, or somewhere significantly inbetween.
 
Not even close. Apple would not exist today if Tim were the one to handle Apple’s near bankruptcy way back when Jobs took over.

I meant right now. Different people are needed in different parts of Apple’s timeline.

I have no intention of minimising Steve’s legacy, but if we want to go there, I am of the belief that Steve Jobs would have been a disaster were he still running Apple today, when you consider that Apple’s biggest challenges today are not other tech companies like Samsung or Google, but governments and legislation.

For his shortcomings, Tim Cook seems better at handling an Apple of its current size, and manoeuvring sensitive political landscapes. Perhaps that matters more right now than simply making a better iPhone.

I could totally see Steve instructing Apple to withdraw from the EU in response to the DMA, solely out of spite. Would that be what you all want? Mutually assured destruction?

Come to think of it thought. That might actually be fun to watch as a fly on the wall.
 
I meant right now. Different people are needed in different parts of Apple’s timeline.

I have no intention of minimising Steve’s legacy, but if we want to go there, I am of the belief that Steve Jobs would have been a disaster were he still running Apple today, when you consider that Apple’s biggest challenges today are not other tech companies like Samsung or Google, but governments and legislation.

For his shortcomings, Tim Cook seems better at handling an Apple of its current size, and manoeuvring sensitive political landscapes. Perhaps that matters more right now than simply making a better iPhone.

I could totally see Steve instructing Apple to withdraw from the EU in response to the DMA, solely out of spite. Would that be what you all want? Mutually assured destruction?

Come to think of it thought. That might actually be fun to watch as a fly on the wall.
Disagree. Jobs would’ve hired top tier lawyers within the legal department at Apple to handle that stuff. I do think we’d have more well-polished software and more visually appealing hardware if he were still in charge - as well as more products in the main stream that we can’t even think of.
 
Now a parrot... something that repeats sounds it's heard over and over without knowing what they mean? That sounds more like an AI, if you're comparing them to something from the animal kingdom.
Don't count out parrots! Our family once had a talking bird -- I think it's called myna bird. Anyway, it learned to yell "coming!" when the doorbell rang. While we were away, many delivery people ended up standing by the door, wondering why nobody ever came to open it, when they could clearly hearing someone yelling "coming!'
 
Disagree. Jobs would’ve hired top tier lawyers within the legal department at Apple to handle that stuff. I do think we’d have more well-polished software and more visually appealing hardware if he were still in charge - as well as more products in the main stream that we can’t even think of.

And you don’t think Tim Cook is being advised by a good legal team right now?
 
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Apple is far from the Apple Steve worked at. I can imagine he’d have roasted the entire team for this failure. While his personality was said not to be pleasant I can’t help but feel it drove the quality that’s been missing in Apples software the past few years.

This just proves, you build something crappy you’ll still get praise and platitudes from Apple execs, rather than criticism to do better, which is honestly what is needed.
 
Apple is far from the Apple Steve worked at. I can imagine he’d have roasted the entire team for this failure. While his personality was said not to be pleasant I can’t help but feel it drove the quality that’s been missing in Apples software the past few years.

This just proves, you build something crappy you’ll still get praise and platitudes from Apple execs, rather than criticism to do better, which is honestly what is needed.

Here’s another honest question. When did it become the norm for bosses to go in shouting and firing people publicly whenever something goes wrong? That doesn’t strike me as the hallmark of how an effective company is run. This may make for juicy tabloid headlines, but doesn’t fix the underlying issue at all.

I get the feeling that the majority of people here have little interest in seeing Apple get better at all. They just want to see blood, and the outcome at Apple is purely incidental.

The long list of “Apple needs to do X or it’s doomed” posts over the last two decades is really all the evidence you need that armchair analysts don’t understand business and they don’t understand Apple.
 
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