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After iPhone 7 and crapple watch, I don't know how much I believe in Apple anymore.

If the Mac was getting neglected, but they'd just turned out jaw-dropping new iPhone and Watch models, it would at least be understandable in terms of "follow the money", but instead...

What's making belief hard is, even with their big breadwinner, the iPhone, Apple announced the 10 great new features at the keynote - and #1 was "Now available in Piano Black" - then had to defend the removal of the 3.5mm jack as "courageous" (really, Yes Minister should be compulsory viewing for everybody) and apparently didn't see anything wrong with this. Meanwhile, the Samsung Galaxy Note 7 is sporting curved OLED screen, wireless charging, SD slot, Iris scanner, 3.5mm jack (while still claiming water resistance), and improved blast radius... ah, yes, that last little complication might just have saved Apple's bacon (plus, they've anticipated "Piano Black Scratchgate" and covered themselves in the small print). Likewise, they don't seem to understand that to have Apple's original flagship product - the Mac - visibly withering on the vine is not good for the brand as a whole. Publicity wise, they needed a Mac announcement - and not just macOS - at WWDC, which was about when the "but intel hasn't released the chips yet" excuse expired. Its sounding increasingly like the Apple management are living in an echo chamber where new watch bands really are just as exciting as new tech.

As for the Watch - battery and display technology just isn't there yet. The one product that could have done with being thinner, they've made thicker. Again, the Samsung offerings look far more interesting (2 days battery life with the display always on & a far more sensible-sounding bezel-driven UI...?) but I have a suspicion that all the photos show them being worn by specially-selected models with giant wrists so I'll reserve judgement till I see one in real life - I hate huge chunky watches. Maybe they should have targetted the FitBit market (which seems to be where the demand is) and super-tight iPhone integration rather than going for all-singing, all-dancing self-contained Watch.


I think the Apple Car possibly started out as a good idea - the problem is that Tesla are already making and selling the "Apple Car" (seriously - what difference would you expect from Apple apart from less generosity with their patents?) and, provided they can stay afloat until the model 3's start rolling out the door, will be on the ground, running before Apple launches anything. Self-driving may be a tar baby: because of the safety and liability issues, its going to be a long, long journey between "90% working" and "ready to sell". Autopilot may well be the thing that sinks Tesla: its no good whining about exaggerated publicity surrounding alleged Autopilot fatalities because that's what the human race is gonna do - self-driving won't be ready until it is bombproof. Google are clearly playing the long game: developing the tech quite publicly and using it to generate publicity (and probably generate business partnerships) without taking risks. My guess is that we'll see Google-branded cars acting as public transit in "safe locations" like theme parks and airports long before the tech is ready for the open road so, by the time the tech is available in private cars, "Google" will be the trusted brand. Apple's normal policy of not talking about a product until it is ready might not serve them here.
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It is square because text is delivered in a square format. And you've looked at a lot of text on your Apple Watch.

...unless you want to use it to tell the time and prefer a clock face, which is round, is a much better way of visualising time and looks nicer. Square mechanical watches were a form-over-function gimmick from the olden days where making a square case was expensive and showy. What I want from a watch is big, bold, at-a-glance notifications that help me decide whether to get out my large-screen phone: if you're filling every corner of the screen with info you're designing it wrong. Also, watch crowns are fiddly: the Samsung bezel control is a far better idea.

Plus, the Watch looks like a 1970s LED quartz watch.
 
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Shut it down and concentrate on the core business that once made you the greatest.
This is like McDonalds going into house building.
 
Can't say that I'm surprised, I don't think Apple really knows what they want. Now that self driving cars are the in thing, they're jumping on the bandwagon.


but the reason why I bought an apple was that it didn't reboot as much :eek:

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Self Driving cars need to be developed with the same mindset as Flight Critical Software. I really don't see that happening at places like Tesla or GM.
Something like a BSOD could indeed kill many, many people. Writing software with zero defects is really, really hard to do. I've done it and I quit after 18 months as I was close to burning out.

Apple may have discovered this hence the re-focus. If they have then I'm very happy.
We just don't know but if the layoffs are true then it won't be long before we get a leak from an unhappy former Apple employee, anon naturally.

To all those posters sayingthat apple should concentrate on their current product line I'd like them to go take a look at some of the findamental research that IBM does. Much of it is not related to Computers etc but the still do it.
Apple is big enough to get into this sort of work and why shouldn't they eh? They have more money that they know what to do with.
I'd like Tim C to announce that they are going to spend $X billion on this sort of thing. They can write that off against Taxes.
 
Self Driving cars need to be developed with the same mindset as Flight Critical Software. I really don't see that happening at places like Tesla or GM.
Agreed, and to be honest, I don't see Apple or Google having that sort of mindset. Right now, its the hot topic and many of the tech companies are racing to be out the door.
 
I have to question whether Apple has transitioned to a changing landscape or is stuck in the past. It is said that Microsoft got fat and lazy with it's older engineers and team leads content to take it slow and not rock the boat. This allegedly allowed Apple, Google, et al to push the envelope and be more creative as well as lead to the loss of frustrated younger talent.
Apple seems to have become a plodding organization. Apple has had a "hobby" in the TV for almost a decade. But it has developed very slowly. Now there is nothing special about the Apple TV, it's interface or functionality. Some of that functionality is built into modern TVs. Apple doesn't appear to have anything special to bring to the table in this regard.
It seems that autonomous vehicles was an afterthought to Apple who got into the game late. Now they have to cut back or redefine what they are doing. Again, it appears to be plodding, unorganized, lacking focus or strategic objective.
I am beginning to think that Apple no longer has the goods. I am not sure they would have had it had Jobs remained healthy and was still alive.
Todays Apple seems unfocused, fragmented and lacks urgency. I am tired of hearing "we've got great products in the pipeline". Maybe they do, but news of it will leak out and others will beat Apple's product to market.
That is not to say that I don't like Apple. My next phone will be an Apple 8, my next computer will be a Mac, and I use my Apple TV and ignore the Apps on my Smart TV.
 
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An Apple Car would be nothing more than a "me too" project, with intense competition from players with an already proven track record, many of whom could most likely easily produce a superior product.

Yes... Like when the iPod, iPhone, and iPad entered their markets.
 
I don't understand how you can have self driving cars on the same roads as everyone else. Maybe a dedicated highway lane would work ok. But if anyone thinks they can get into a car and let it drive them to work...that sounds like a fantasy.

Not too long ago the idea of having a supercomputer in your pocket connected tot the internet at all times would hace sounded like a crazy fantasy.

Full self driving cars are coming. If a human can do it with just two eyes, why can't a computer with a lot more sensors, always paying attention? Self driving cars will be a while lot safer than human drivers, and sooner or later we'll think of human driving as the stupidest idea.
 
I could only be excited if Apple realise 3 facts

1) Has to have a good body & chassis ( not that box rubbish that was rumoured to of been the preferred base )
2) Needs excellent performance Acceleration and speed while offering good economy.
3) Apple can not use their usual pricing strategy of they are Apple so can charge twice what others do. It would not work in the Car market.
 
Elon was right! Think of all them fools who left Tesla for Apple! I hope he don't let them back!
Always feels good to see people get laid off when they try to move up the world and take care of their family and hope they can't get a job - just because. Sad...
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Elon is the new Jobs. Tim can't innovate. My ass my ass.
Come on, Elon is losing billions upon billions while Tim and Apple keep making billions and billions in profits. Can't you see the genius of Elon? ;)
 
I could only be excited if Apple realise 3 facts

1) Has to have a good body & chassis ( not that box rubbish that was rumoured to of been the preferred base )
2) Needs excellent performance Acceleration and speed while offering good economy.
3) Apple can not use their usual pricing strategy of they are Apple so can charge twice what others do. It would not work in the Car market.

The VERY last thing you want in a future self driving car is AMAZING performance and Acceleration.
You need to get rid of those old world views.

If you are strapped into a seat, facing forwards, you hand and feet are either resting on, or holding onto physical controls, and perhaps your seat has small side cushions to stop you sliding left/right also, then sure.

But NO.............. We are talking here for the future, a car with no controls.
No need to sit forward or any direction. Not holding onto anything.

Imagine sitting at any angle on a chair in a moving enclosure, not holding onto anything.
The very VERY last thing you would want is some car, accelerating hard, braking and cornering hard.
It would be a total pain in the neck, quite literally.

You and your family would love a super smooth side, gentle pulling away, gentle braking and gentle cornering.
How are you going to all relax with being thrown around inside a self driving car?

Sure, on the main roads it could get up to high speed, but it all has to be done as smoothly as possible

Just think about it for a bit :)
 
Because Apple and Google are alike in what way?
Google also backed away from the idea of making a car and started focusing on self driving car technology and selling it to partners interested. From the sounds of it, this is what Apple's going to be doing as well.
 
I guess computer company may not be the most natural place for developing cars.

Every smart person knew that from day one. The car business is a very hard business and it is very difficult to break into. Both Google and Apple will end up just making the plug in electronics for cars.
 
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In a decade or two (or 3..) we will be driving around in selfdriving electric cars.

Manufactored by GM,Toyota,Ford,VW,Mercedes,BMW..... apart from a few lingering patents (and lawsuits) noone's gonna remember Tesla or Google/Apple cars.
 
I could only be excited if Apple realise 3 facts

1) Has to have a good body & chassis ( not that box rubbish that was rumoured to of been the preferred base )
2) Needs excellent performance Acceleration and speed while offering good economy.
3) Apple can not use their usual pricing strategy of they are Apple so can charge twice what others do. It would not work in the Car market.

I doubt Apple has listened to experts when told cars are not a high margin business.

When people at the top of the project leave that is bad news for the project.
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Every smart person knew that from day one. The car business is a very hard business and it is very difficult to break into. Both Google and Apple will end up just making the plug in electronics for cars.
The plug in electronics business wouldn't be so bad. I'll take Apple or Google over the junk the car companies push.
 
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It's hard to imagine any car company using Apple's potential future automous technology to control their vehicle.
It's one of the thing to incorporate CarPlay entertainment in a car, quite another to give the keys to the car to Apple. I can never see this happening.

My hunch is Apple isn't designing a car for public consumption or the tech for autonomous driving to be handed off. I'm betting they are looking to get into the automous ride sharing service market. They always seek to control the pipeline. They have mapping, Siri, CarPlay, etc. If they can build a safe vehicle they would give Uber a run for their money. Imagine hailing an autonomous car and telling Siri where you need to go in a city. Not Siri today but Siri 5+ years from now.
 
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The VERY last thing you want in a future self driving car is AMAZING performance and Acceleration.
You need to get rid of those old world views.

If you are strapped into a seat, facing forwards, you hand and feet are either resting on, or holding onto physical controls, and perhaps your seat has small side cushions to stop you sliding left/right also, then sure.

But NO.............. We are talking here for the future, a car with no controls.
No need to sit forward or any direction. Not holding onto anything.

Imagine sitting at any angle on a chair in a moving enclosure, not holding onto anything.
The very VERY last thing you would want is some car, accelerating hard, braking and cornering hard.
It would be a total pain in the neck, quite literally.

You and your family would love a super smooth side, gentle pulling away, gentle braking and gentle cornering.
How are you going to all relax with being thrown around inside a self driving car?

Sure, on the main roads it could get up to high speed, but it all has to be done as smoothly as possible

Just think about it for a bit :)

Agree.

I think of self-driving cars as mass transit without the "mass," essentially a way for a small number of passengers to get from point A to point B without any of them having to drive the vehicle. The most efficient way to move these cars along the road will be to space them very closely. That will require them to communicate with each other, which is itself a challenge. But it'll be even more challenging to integrate them with other traffic with unpredictable drivers. That's going to take time.
 
When you find a bug in iOS or OS X you could just ignore it or find a workaround.

How are you gonna deal with Apple's bugs in a self-driving car from Apple?

Those aren't bugs, they're "features".

I'm waiting for a "Twilight Zone"/"Cloverfield"/"Christine" story about self driving cars in the future. They start acting oddly, maybe AI-ish, and a driver yells "Ah, go to hell!" and down it goes (or Siri responds "I looked on the web and found a few articles on 'Going to Hell'.").
 
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Does it still? I would argue Apple has lost its way in terms of design and UI. I shudder at the thought of a Jony Ives-led car design with unnecessarily thin fonts on the instrument panel or infotainment screen, hidden options for HVAC controls, unsightly bulges to house batteries and some questionable color choices to boot!

Absolutely, they're still great at design and UI. You're cherry picking things you don't like.

Besides, no company bats a 1000. Not even under Steve Jobs. Remember the hockey puck mouse? iPod socks? The volume wheel on the QuickTime window?

IMO, the biggest thing that's changed about Apple is people's perceptions and a powerful drug known as nostalgia.
 
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