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Apple has been doing the RED program for years, under Jobs' watch. Nothing new here, other than "they're still doing it."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Product_Red

When did the RED program start? Pretty sure it was years ago when Steve was still here

Yeah, Apple made the red Nano's starting back in 06. I'm specifically talking about the other RED details in the store. It's things like that I think we'll see a lot more of in the future because of Tim's influence.
 
Well then you'll realise what a great job doctors in developed do and how unfortunate it is for people in under-developed countries who don't have access to better health care.

With all the advances we have made, life with AIDS in America is still terrible. I am not arguing against help in Africa, because it's sorely needed. But people (ahem) seem to think it's solved in America. The perception amongst many is that if you're rich, you'll be fine. And, if you're Magic Johnson, that might be the case. But if you're not, and sometimes even if you are rich, it's a circus of dodging side effects. How about bone loss, cancer, constant fatigue, life threatening digestive issues, loss of muscle mass, and dementia? They're all side effects of "effective" treatment. How many people under the age of 80 break their legs walking across the street? AIDS patients do.

Lot's of people can get by. But lots of people, right here, won't know until the repercussions from medication are almost a death sentence. I know that all too well.
 
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This gets a massive thumbs up from me. Well done Apple.
 
I think the employee or even customer matching program to your charity of choice is a better idea actually. Making a big show of corporate charity like this can backfire. By all accounts this is a worthy charity that does good things, I'm not sure its wise to make it so prominent in a place of business.
Why not? It's very easy to rally behind a prominent (and important) cause. In fact, a huge reason why the (RED) movement is working is it's making "donators" out of consumers that might not otherwise support a cause like this because the donation is integrated with the purchase of a consumer product.

With regards to the focus Apple might be making on this worthy charity, think about the Bill & Melinda Gates foundation...they've been super successful because they've had laser focus on certain key goals (look at the work they've done focusing on malaria).
 
With all the advances we have made, life with AIDS in America is still terrible. I am not arguing against help in Africa, because it's sorely needed. But people (ahem) seem to think it's solved in America. The perception amongst many is that if you're rich, you'll be fine. And, if you're Magic Johnson, that might be the case. But if you're not, and sometimes even if you are rich, it's a circus of dodging side effects. How about bone loss, cancer, constant fatigue, life threatening digestive issues, loss of muscle mass, and dementia? They're all side effects of "effective" treatment. How many people under the age of 80 break their legs walking across the street? AIDS patients do.

Lot's of people can get by. But lots of people, right here, won't know until the repercussions from medication are almost a death sentence. I know that all too well.

Maybe it wold help if you expanded your original comment. By "fight aids here" did you mean that Apple should do something for your brother?

What exactly are you seeking? Based on this it seems that he's getting treatment...is there something else he could get with more money?
 
i am a big and frequent supporter of product Red brands.
red themed products to show support for the Red cause is great.
but what i dont like about this particular treatment is apple changing the colour of its logo. playing with a logo is not needed to show support for product Red.
a brand's logo is sacrosanct and should never be fooled around with.
 
So why doesn't Apple do things like this for other diseases, cancer for instance seeing that Steve Jobs died from cancer?

Is this not good enough? Tim is just getting started. Just because it hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean it won't down the road.
 
I actually lost a family member to AIDS, so I can relate to your desire to have funding directed right here. But in America, it's far, far, FAR more likely that individuals have access to basic AIDS treatment (antiretrovirals for HIV-positive patients, sterile environments and safe practices for deliveries involving infected mothers, etc.). Our own medical community is working WONDERS with regards to AIDS, and I'd argue that it's the advances we're making because of extraordinary funding over here that have allowed us to develop treatments that are keeping the vast majority of HIV-positive people alive and allowing most of them to live normal lives...something that wasn't normal when we lost my uncle to it in the early 90's. In many poor parts of Africa, antiretrovirals are simply unavailable. Sterile delivery rooms are unavailable.

Agreed.

I just see my brother wasting away because, in part, he didn't get treatment soon enough. And partly because the treatments destroy your body in other ways. I hope he'll get better ... and I wouldn't wish what he is going through on any human being. At least in my brother's case, he's not living anything near a normal life. He can't even work. Some days, he can't get out of bed. Actually, that's most days. Ugh. Sorry, this is getting a bit too personal. ;-)

On a brighter note, I really think it's great that Apple is helping others through some nice charities and charitable matching. It really helps their image and is the right thing to do.
 
With all the advances we have made, life with AIDS in America is still terrible. I am not arguing against help in Africa, because it's sorely needed. But people (ahem) seem to think it's solved in America. The perception amongst many is that if you're rich, you'll be fine. And, if you're Magic Johnson, that might be the case. But if you're not, and sometimes even if you are rich, it's a circus of dodging side effects. How about bone loss, cancer, constant fatigue, life threatening digestive issues, loss of muscle mass, and dementia? They're all side effects of "effective" treatment. How many people under the age of 80 break their legs walking across the street? AIDS patients do.

Lot's of people can get by. But lots of people, right here, won't know until the repercussions from medication are almost a death sentence. I know that all too well.
Totally agree. But certain organizations need to sometimes focus on very specific things to be effective in what they do. Look at amfAR or Health GAP--all 50 states here in the US have local services for HIV/AIDS help right here thanks to some really great organizations. All these symptoms you list are truly AWFUL, but (RED) exists to focus on children who live with ALL of these and, in most cases, don't have access to ANY treatment at all simply because of the lack of funding and geography. More importantly, its primary focus right now is on preventing the transmission of HIV from parent to newborn...something that we're remarkably efficient at doing here in the US, and something that's not at ALL good in many parts of Africa.
 
Thank you, (presumed) bigotted jerk for informing me that Tim Cook is the most prominent gay CEO today... I didn't know he was gay. It's interesting (nothing more) to know.

Initially I up-voted your comment b/c I took it at face value, as a positive remark. But it seems pretty clear, from the reaction of others, which prompted me to search google to see if Cook is either gay or has AIDS, that you were being a jerk.

If you weren't being a jerk, we all owe you an apology.


Well, see, that is what is unfortunate about the internet. Is is difficult to convey tones. I didn't mean it negatively, nor did I mean it to sound bigoted, but you know what? Your right. I could have done without saying that. It sounds pretty messed up, even though I was just pointing out the fact that he has a slight bit more of reason to care then Jobs did. Besides it's not just gay people that get AIDS. That is just a really lame stererotype. I didn't mean to take away from the actual aspect of how horrible AIDS are and that we should be doing everything we can to eradicate it. So, once again, I am sorry. I'm only 17 and I don't have as much understanding as some older people about what can come across as being bad.
Just so you know, I actually have a gay friend, so I am 100% NOT bigoted towards gay individuals AT ALL. In fact, I think it is pretty cool that an organization as large as Apple can have a gay CEO.
 
Well, see, that is what is unfortunate about the internet. Is is difficult to convey tones. I didn't mean it negatively, nor did I mean it to sound bigoted, but you know what? Your right.

I read your post and thought "Gee, I don't think this guy meant anything by it, but I can tell he totally doesn't know how that sounded." I was a little surprised at how many people seemed to think you really meant it in a mean way, but it did look that way. So I can't judge them harshly despite the fact that I didn't jump to that conclusion.

But hey, congrats on being so willing to admit a mistake and own it. You're a vanishing breed.
 
Agreed.

I just see my brother wasting away because, in part, he didn't get treatment soon enough. And partly because the treatments destroy your body in other ways. I hope he'll get better ... and I wouldn't wish what he is going through on any human being. At least in my brother's case, he's not living anything near a normal life. He can't even work. Some days, he can't get out of bed. Actually, that's most days. Ugh. Sorry, this is getting a bit too personal. ;-)

On a brighter note, I really think it's great that Apple is helping others through some nice charities and charitable matching. It really helps their image and is the right thing to do.
UGH. This is just awful to hear about, and my greatest sympathies are with you and your brother. All I can say it this point, and you already know this, is that the treatments are getting better and better every day. I think it's safe to say that with all these great charities, research institutes, and organizations everywhere, we can keep the research going at warp speed until we have this thing completely knocked out.

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Well, see, that is what is unfortunate about the internet. Is is difficult to convey tones. I didn't mean it negatively, nor did I mean it to sound bigoted, but you know what? Your right. I could have done without saying that. It sounds pretty messed up, even though I was just pointing out the fact that he has a slight bit more of reason to care then Jobs did. Besides it's not just gay people that get AIDS. That is just a really lame stererotype. I didn't mean to take away from the actual aspect of how horrible AIDS are and that we should be doing everything we can to eradicate it. So, once again, I am sorry. I'm only 17 and I don't have as much understanding as some older people about what can come across as being bad.
Just so you know, I actually have a gay friend, so I am 100% NOT bigoted towards gay individuals AT ALL. In fact, I think it is pretty cool that an organization as large as Apple can have a gay CEO.
I'll tell you what....it's really big of you to come back on this thread after a bunch of us trashed your previous post and apologize. Thanks for clarifying. Most people at 17 wouldn't have the decency to do something like that...hell, most people at 30 wouldn't either.
 
I read your post and thought "Gee, I don't think this guy meant anything by it, but I can tell he totally doesn't know how that sounded." I was a little surprised at how many people seemed to think you really meant it in a mean way, but it did look that way. So I can't judge them harshly despite the fact that I didn't jump to that conclusion.

But hey, congrats on being so willing to admit a mistake and own it. You're a vanishing breed.

Thanks, yeah it's no big deal. Just now I have learned, if I want to post on a forum with the majority of users being adults, I'd better REALLY be careful about how I come across.
 
Maybe it wold help if you expanded your original comment. By "fight aids here" did you mean that Apple should do something for your brother?

What exactly are you seeking? Based on this it seems that he's getting treatment...is there something else he could get with more money?

Possibly. But here's the core issue: successful AIDS treatment does not already result in a "normal" life. Success is measured by restricting the spread. That is, and should be, the primary goal. But the side effects from the medications are horrible for some people. I'll break it down, cause I know most people don't know this stuff. I didn't.

So there's a whole slew of treatment combinations you can use. And there are also different strains of AIDS. My brother has a strain of AIDS that is resistant to the least harmful medications. So money isn't so much a factor here, it's that AIDS is constantly mutating and some people have it worse that others-- literally. You also have to be careful that you don't build up an immunity to the medication. Some medications are needed at different stages of the sickness, too. And, again, they all have side effects that bypass a lot of people, but hit others. The worst are massive G.I. problems, dementia, bone loss to the point of no longer being mobile, cancer, etc. In my brother's case, his strain is resistant to the more mild medications and so now he has to take the hard core Protease inhibitors.

So what I hope for is an expansion or research that can treat individuals with the more aggressive strains. More money where the research is done (America) does that. But, again, I am in no way arguing against helping the destitute and relatively far worse off people of Africa. But if we're ever really going to help people live with it, or even cure it, we need funding for research in addition to funding for prevention programs. And, yeah, my reasoning is a little selfish ... but I really wouldn't want a family to go through what we are going through.
 
You're a pig.

Why is he a pig? Just about everyone on Macrumors wants to believe he's gay. So if he is, would it really be surprising for a powerful gay public figure to throw his support behind the eradication of a disease that disproportionately affects gay men?

Wouldn't it be more surprising if he didn't?
 
Well, it's not really surprising that Tim Cook is doing this.

I don't think there's anything offensive about what he said even if he was regarding to Cook's sexual orientation. Unfortunately, we, the gay community tend to be a little more sensitive about this subject for obvious reasons that are also backed with statistical data.

Nevertheless it's a good thing what they're doing.
 
Well, see, that is what is unfortunate about the internet. Is is difficult to convey tones. I didn't mean it negatively, nor did I mean it to sound bigoted, but you know what? Your right. I could have done without saying that. It sounds pretty messed up, even though I was just pointing out the fact that he has a slight bit more of reason to care then Jobs did. Besides it's not just gay people that get AIDS. That is just a really lame stererotype. I didn't mean to take away from the actual aspect of how horrible AIDS are and that we should be doing everything we can to eradicate it. So, once again, I am sorry. I'm only 17 and I don't have as much understanding as some older people about what can come across as being bad.
Just so you know, I actually have a gay friend, so I am 100% NOT bigoted towards gay individuals AT ALL. In fact, I think it is pretty cool that an organization as large as Apple can have a gay CEO.

Clarification FTW! ;)
 
Well, see, that is what is unfortunate about the internet. Is is difficult to convey tones. I didn't mean it negatively, nor did I mean it to sound bigoted, but you know what? Your right. I could have done without saying that. It sounds pretty messed up, even though I was just pointing out the fact that he has a slight bit more of reason to care then Jobs did. Besides it's not just gay people that get AIDS. That is just a really lame stererotype. I didn't mean to take away from the actual aspect of how horrible AIDS are and that we should be doing everything we can to eradicate it. So, once again, I am sorry. I'm only 17 and I don't have as much understanding as some older people about what can come across as being bad.
Just so you know, I actually have a gay friend, so I am 100% NOT bigoted towards gay individuals AT ALL. In fact, I think it is pretty cool that an organization as large as Apple can have a gay CEO.

Figuring out someone's tone is so hard to do with text. I didn't take it negatively. Truth be told, I had no idea Tim Cook was gay. But I was reading the Steve Jobs biography and just got through the part where Tim Cook and Steve start working together. It does mention that he never married, was up at 4am every day, and hit the gym immediately. I just thought he was really really motivated. Which he is. But in a different context, it's sort of funny.
 
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