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I still think the iPhone 7 is (by far) the best smartphone on the market but I don't blame anyone for waiting.
... By Far, I disagree, it's not BY FAR better than the 6s in which it replaces. The extra camera on the PLUS is just a gimmick, takes horrible pictures in low light, etc. I would say, the 6s = 7 in many aspects. If AT&T would have not given me 650 for my 6s+, I would still have it. And it would not be because I am waiting on the 8 either. Just really disappointed in the iPhones since the 6 came out.
 
Get a used 6s that supports Band 12 and call it a day.
You know what, I seriously contemplated that option. It's still on the table so we'll see. The one reason I'm looking at the 7+ over the 6s+ comes down to memory. The 7+ has 3GB of memory which should really help it with future app and OS updates which are getting more and more resource heavy. But otherwise, the 6S+ does everything I need it to.
 
I LOVE my non-headphone-jack-having-iPhone 7!! Idk if it's just me, but audio sounds much better through lightning than it ever did with that hole.

Funny how everyone suddenly started "charging and listening to music simultaneously" once they wanted to take out the headphone jack.
 
I LOVE my non-headphone-jack-having-iPhone 7!! Idk if it's just me, but audio sounds much better through lightning than it ever did with that hole.

Funny how everyone suddenly started "charging and listening to music simultaneously" once they wanted to take out the headphone jack.

You mean you didn't see the multitudes carrying around portable USB chargers or tethered to 1000ft charging cables while they listened to music?

If some people get this worked up over the loss of the headphone jack, image the howls of indignation if they took out the ports completely and went with wireless charging, backup and headphones.
 
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Bluetooth is here, and has better battery life then it had. If you don't want to embrace it, you're SOL because it's the future, even if you refuse to accept it.

Irony: people pushing Apple for WIRELESS charging, but don't want WIRELESS headphones that are significantly better than the obsolete ones.

Wireless charging is one thing. Wireless headphones, whose sound quality is significantly inferior to their wired counterparts, are quite the other.
 
I LOVE my non-headphone-jack-having-iPhone 7!! Idk if it's just me, but audio sounds much better through lightning than it ever did with that hole.

Funny how everyone suddenly started "charging and listening to music simultaneously" once they wanted to take out the headphone jack.

Sounds like you're using the absence of evidence as the evidence of absence.

Why would anyone verbalize how they charge and listen to their iPhone when it wasn't an issue to do it?
 
I LOVE my non-headphone-jack-having-iPhone 7!! Idk if it's just me, but audio sounds much better through lightning than it ever did with that hole.

Funny how everyone suddenly started "charging and listening to music simultaneously" once they wanted to take out the headphone jack.
I have had the iPhone 7+ for I guess close to two and half months and I've had about half dozen situations where being able to listen and charge would have been very useful. Just for reference, I've bought 4 BT earbuds/headphones and all of them have drawbacks.

The sound quality is fair but the latency really sucks. Watching a video is pretty much a dead issue.

Keep in mind that charging and listening is not something you generally plan for. For example, just the other day I was listening to some podcasts throughout the day. In the late afternoon a friend called and we made plans to go out so I decided to plug in the phone to top it off. Oops...had to stop listening because I didn't have my BT headphones with me.

The point is you don't know when you're going to have to plug in your phone ahead of time because things come up you didn't plan for or expect. Overall I'm okay with using BT when I have to, but I still prefer using wired. Years of being able to listen and charge at the same time has simply been ingrained into daily use. Having the 3.5mm jack is and was extremely useful and convenient. Also I did notice that using BT headphones drains my iPhone faster, hence why I prefer wired when working.

To each his own but I miss the headphone jack.
 
I have had the iPhone 7+ for I guess close to two and half months and I've had about half dozen situations where being able to listen and charge would have been very useful. Just for reference, I've bought 4 BT earbuds/headphones and all of them have drawbacks.

The sound quality is fair but the latency really sucks. Watching a video is pretty much a dead issue.

Keep in mind that charging and listening is not something you generally plan for. For example, just the other day I was listening to some podcasts throughout the day. In the late afternoon a friend called and we made plans to go out so I decided to plug in the phone to top it off. Oops...had to stop listening because I didn't have my BT headphones with me.

The point is you don't know when you're going to have to plug in your phone ahead of time because things come up you didn't plan for or expect. Overall I'm okay with using BT when I have to, but I still prefer using wired. Years of being able to listen and charge at the same time has simply been ingrained into daily use. Having the 3.5mm jack is and was extremely useful and convenient. Also I did notice that using BT headphones drains my iPhone faster, hence why I prefer wired when working.

To each his own but I miss the headphone jack.

That's a very valid point. However, when I'm the only one in the car, I've just played the podcast over my phone's speakers.

Like I'd previously stated, maybe it's just my imagination but the music from the port seems to sound better. Sidenote: I believe the W1 chip helps with the audio quality/lag that you speak of.
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I have had the iPhone 7+ for I guess close to two and half months and I've had about half dozen situations where being able to listen and charge would have been very useful. Just for reference, I've bought 4 BT earbuds/headphones and all of them have drawbacks.

The sound quality is fair but the latency really sucks. Watching a video is pretty much a dead issue.

Keep in mind that charging and listening is not something you generally plan for. For example, just the other day I was listening to some podcasts throughout the day. In the late afternoon a friend called and we made plans to go out so I decided to plug in the phone to top it off. Oops...had to stop listening because I didn't have my BT headphones with me.

The point is you don't know when you're going to have to plug in your phone ahead of time because things come up you didn't plan for or expect. Overall I'm okay with using BT when I have to, but I still prefer using wired. Years of being able to listen and charge at the same time has simply been ingrained into daily use. Having the 3.5mm jack is and was extremely useful and convenient. Also I did notice that using BT headphones drains my iPhone faster, hence why I prefer wired when working.

To each his own but I miss the headphone jack.

Forgot to mention: my Apple Watch is used daily in conjunction with my phone. I don't notice a huge battery drain either.
 
That's a very valid point. However, when I'm the only one in the car, I've just played the podcast over my phone's speakers.

Like I'd previously stated, maybe it's just my imagination but the music from the port seems to sound better. Sidenote: I believe the W1 chip helps with the audio quality/lag that you speak of.
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Forgot to mention: my Apple Watch is used daily in conjunction with my phone. I don't notice a huge battery drain either.
The car is another issue. Neither of our vehicles have BT and we're not looking to buy new cars for at least another 3-4 years. I'm certainly not going to get rid of my perfectly functional and trouble-free truck just to get BT.

As for the W1 chip, from the research I've done it seems that it solves connectivity issues and adds battery life to the headphone. So far I've not read anything to suggest that it will make the sound better. That will come with BT 5.0 which I hope we start seeing sometime next year.

As I alluded to earlier I'm not against going wireless but I think it was a little too early to pull the plug, pun intended :D

With all the other outdated tech that Apple pulled from their devices there already was something superior and therefore the adoption of newer tech was fairly painless. Today in 2016 there's nothing that's better than an old fashioned 3.5mm jack and headphone.

The supplied adapter is fine but it doesn't work 100% of the time. The controls stop working at unexpected times. Sometimes the sound keeps coming from the phone instead of the headphones I just plugged in, and sometimes the headphone's mic stops working during a call. Of course this doesn't happen all the time but the times it does happen is extremely frustrating. Point being...new tech needs to work 99.999% of the time before being introduced and forced on users.
 
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The car is another issue. Neither of our vehicles have BT and we're not looking to buy new cars for at least another 3-4 years. I'm certainly not going to get rid of my perfectly functional and trouble-free truck just to get BT.

As for the W1 chip, from the research I've done it seems that it solves connectivity issues and adds battery life to the headphone. So far I've not read anything to suggest that it will make the sound better. That will come with BT 5.0 which I hope we start seeing sometime next year.

As I alluded to earlier I'm not against going wireless but I think it was a little too early to pull the plug, pun intended :D

With all the other outdated tech that Apple pulled from their devices there already was something superior and therefore the adoption of newer tech was fairly painless. Today in 2016 there's nothing that's better than an old fashioned 3.5mm jack and headphone.

The supplied adapter is fine but it doesn't work 100% of the time. The controls stop working at unexpected times. Sometimes the sound keeps coming from the phone instead of the headphones I just plugged in, and sometimes the headphone's mic stops working during a call. Of course this doesn't happen all the time but the times it does happen is extremely frustrating. Point being...new tech needs to work 99.999% of the time before being introduced and forced on users.

I hear your point, but BT isn't the only valid solution. There are cars on the market that have built-in USB ports that charge AND transmit the audio to the car stereo.
Everyone keeps getting hung up BT being the only option when there isn't a headphone port.
 
Do you consider the 7 recycling the 6 design as evidence?

iPhone 5 was in some ways similar in design to the 4 as well. Though I definitely agree 7 is much closer design to 6. Idk honestly, the rumors for 2017 iPhone just seem too good to be true. Especially since iPhone 7 has been so successful so far with very little innovation, why should Apple (especially under miser Cook) put 2-3 gens worth of features in 1 year?
 
Here's a way to make an iPhone 8 matter -

just take the best of design from the past and fix the damn IOS so it is a friendly easy to use system with the right set of features. Put a decent camera with it, add a damn flash card slot and a LOWER price....gee wow it sells like crazy. End of story.
 
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Stupid to remove outdated tech? So, by your definition, all computers should still have a floppy disk drive too.

BT is starting to be viable enough for audio, and has the benefit of not getting stuck on something with the wires, or even the wires becoming overly sensitive like my last pair of EarPods. But Apple does allow a wired connection with support for digital audio directly from the Lightning port. And if you prefer your outdated tech, they even include an adapter in the box to connect it to the Lightning port.

You may think that to yourself "Fanboy", but I am a Windows user with an iPad and an iPhone. If it hadn't been Apple who made the contraversial change first, we would have soon had it start being removed anyway by other companies.

The future Marty McFly visited in Back to the Future Part II (yes, it's only a movie) was so different from the present he knew. Even some of my nieces and nephews have no clue what a VHS tape is. (Another example of companies removing outdated tech for the new advances made.) Do you think the future could be the future if tech doesn't embrace the new advances. Should we really limit bettering products because we cling to outdated and / or obseleted tech from 50 years ago?
It was probably stupid to remove the headphone jack on this generation. If they had waited until the next model with its new design, and had the airpods ready at launch and in colors to match the phones (or at least offer both black and white) then I think there would have been more awe and less dismay. As it stands now it just looks like a iPhone 6/6s with a part removed. People can't help but feel something was taken away needlessly.

On a new design that is sleek the omission would have looked more like a natural match to the design. I'm not explaining it very well but it's been a long day and I'm kind of dropping off here.

I accept that the figure is wireless, I just think Apple handled the transition with an uncharacteristic lack of finesse and sense of timing. Not having the airpods ready at launch was a big misstep.
 
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Just like the 2GS/3G/3GS and the 4/4S/5/5S were more or less the same shells.
To me the 4 and 5 were completely different.

One was steel band around glass, the other was unibody aluminium that was a lot thinner and lighter.

That I believe is at the root of all Apples issues. There is little variety in Apples lineup to appease different people. With Android/PC there is a lot of choice.
 
Just like the 2GS/3G/3GS and the 4/4S/5/5S were more or less the same shells.

There was no 2GS. The original iPhone was a 2G, not sure where the "S" comes from. Either way, it was a completely different case design than the 3G or 3GS. The 4/4S were a completely different case design than the 5/5s -- not even the same materials.

So I have no idea on what criteria you're basing your claims on, but there's clearly no similarity in either case designs or materials between the whole-numbered generations to support such a claim.

The 6/6s/7 on the other hand are the exact same shape, materials, size and virtually identical case design -- the only difference between them is a slightly restyled antenna band; the mid-line across the back, now scoops down along the top/bottom of the case. And that's it -- otherwise identical. Apple introduced new colors, because otherwise nobody would be able to tell the difference; which matters to some.
 
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The car is another issue. Neither of our vehicles have BT and we're not looking to buy new cars for at least another 3-4 years. I'm certainly not going to get rid of my perfectly functional and trouble-free truck just to get BT.

I hear you. I have a BT adaptor that plugs into my radio's audio port and I use it to stream via BT. The adaptor power comes from via USB. A lot cheaper than a new truck or car.
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I might pass on both 7 and 8 if no headphone jack.


Headphone jack is not outdated tech, there is no standards wired equivalent.

Yeah, Apples/Fanboys response to everything these days, yes there's an app for that (sorry there's a dongle for that)

Apple has consistently shown it will dump standards whenever they think they are no longer useful or not worth incorporating. Video out, unless it is HDMI, requires a dongle. They dumped the CD / DVD long ago. Never adopted Blu-ray. USB C for USB. No more flash memory slot. I really wish they had kept some of them on the new MacBooks but they didn't; so when I upgrade I'll have to learn to do without or make do, or go to a Windows box.

I was just reading some posts up where a musician was caught out a few times without his dongle.

Much to the groupies' disappointment...
 
The car is another issue. Neither of our vehicles have BT and we're not looking to buy new cars for at least another 3-4 years. I'm certainly not going to get rid of my perfectly functional and trouble-free truck just to get BT.

As for the W1 chip, from the research I've done it seems that it solves connectivity issues and adds battery life to the headphone. So far I've not read anything to suggest that it will make the sound better. That will come with BT 5.0 which I hope we start seeing sometime next year.

As I alluded to earlier I'm not against going wireless but I think it was a little too early to pull the plug, pun intended :D

With all the other outdated tech that Apple pulled from their devices there already was something superior and therefore the adoption of newer tech was fairly painless. Today in 2016 there's nothing that's better than an old fashioned 3.5mm jack and headphone.

The supplied adapter is fine but it doesn't work 100% of the time. The controls stop working at unexpected times. Sometimes the sound keeps coming from the phone instead of the headphones I just plugged in, and sometimes the headphone's mic stops working during a call. Of course this doesn't happen all the time but the times it does happen is extremely frustrating. Point being...new tech needs to work 99.999% of the time before being introduced and forced on users.

Every problem you describe, I've had with 3.5mm tech routinely, combined with other specific issues with failed connectors, frayed wires, loose connections, yanked, tangled, and broken cords, interference, connector noise, etc.

There is no such thing as "new tech" that works 99.999% of the time. That's 99.999% unrealistic.
 
Every problem you describe, I've had with 3.5mm tech routinely, combined with other specific issues with failed connectors, frayed wires, loose connections, yanked, tangled, and broken cords, interference, connector noise, etc.

There is no such thing as "new tech" that works 99.999% of the time. That's 99.999% unrealistic.
I'm sorry but unless you've abused your headphone cables I find all of that very hard to believe. Also what I mean regarding the 99.999% is the technical functionality and not broken or frayed cables. In other words unless you broke your headphones they should work every single time you plug them in, period.

And regards to frayed, loose, broken connectors, that has never ever happened to me on headphones. As a matter of fact it did happen once when I bought a cheap $5 pair I bought because I forgot mine. Mind you I'm 54 years old so I can't even count how many headphones I've bought over the years.
 
I have no idea on what criteria you're basing your claims on, but there's clearly no similarity in either case designs or materials between the whole-numbered generations to support such a claim.
They're basically the same shapes. 2G/3G/3GS were rounded in the back and sides, 4 to 5S were "flat-boxed", and now we're in a "flat with rounded sides" phase, which the 7S will have and the 8 will ditch.

There are always minor differences, and the 7 is probably the most consistent variant so far, but there are clear phases the phone has historically gone through and that all contributes to the predictable pattern of the release schedule. Which means not many people are going to care about or be interested in the 7S as much as the 8.
 
I am not excited about the new phone as it won't have the headphone jack so I won't be buying it. I am hoping Apple updates the internals of the 6s so I can update my iPhone to a newer version with the headphone jack intact.
 
Less is more in the Apple biz plan but they didn't plan on Less meaning less customers that are happy and more meaning more legitimate complaints. Hey Cook stick that in your lightning only jack.
 
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