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Apple’s GPMs at around 38% are within industry norms and less than Samsung’s.
We're talking about the MacBook Air, whose componentry is being diverted from coming for free in cereal boxes
They mentioned a few months ago that Mac Pro won’t be coming until next year. It was announced by John Ternus, Apple’s VP of Hardware Engineering.
The mini may never be updated again, although Cook did tease a future announcement last October so it seems likely there will be at least one more update. Unfortunately for mini fans (including me), as with the 17” MBP and Xserve, few are interested. It’s probably only a matter of time until it’s discontinued.
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Do you have data to back up this claim? The "halo" effect of using an iPod causing transitioning to Macs is now about 10-15 years old. New iPhone buyers in recent years are more likely to transition to iPads if at all and stay on their familiar Windows platform unless they were Mac users already. In fact, a lot of past switchers are returning to Windows.
Apps and up-to-date hardware are whats driving decisions. The underlying OS has becoming largely irrelevant. Barring some YouTubers dedication to FCP on macOS, many Pro film editors are using things like Lightworks, Avid and Adobe PP.
I'm a Mac user since the 1980s, and I'm transitioning away from the poor excuse of today's Mac hardware that is now ridiculously overpriced for what you get. Macs were always more expensive and I used to defend that when Apple designed superior hardware and software, but as many longtime Mac users are lamenting, the design element is purely aesthetics these days wrapped around aging internals even dispensing of such nice ideas as Magsafe, functional keyboards, Pro user ports and reliability.
I still enjoy the security and cohesive nature of iOS on iPhone & iPad, but as far as PC hardware is concerned, I will not be buying another Mac unless there's some magical change of heart at Apple.
Its amazing how many of us really want a faster Facebook/Macrumors/YouTube machine.
Yes, Apple’s prices are high. No, not everyone can afford them. Your complaint is one that’s been made for somewhere around 25 years, and is occasionally voiced on these forums.
But actually we’re not talking about the current Air, rather an update or replacement for it. Both the entry level 13” MacBook Pro and the 12” MacBook are $1,299. Any update to the Air has got to be at $999, it’s an important price point.
It's an interesting idea, one that I think would be viable for the survival of the Mac. It really remains contingent on a few things:
* Will Cook, et al, think it would be a financial gain for Apple to give over the Mac line to subsidiary? If so, it could happen.
* Who might take over such a subsidiary with enough vision and expertise to make the Mac a real competitor with its rivals?
* What directions might the subsidiary take, not only with the hardware, but with MacOS?
If Apple were to shed the traditional desktop/laptop offerings, would there be any motivation for the subsidiary to continue focusing on the Apple "walled garden"? If not, what might differentiate the Mac line from other PC offerings? I would argue that its primary differentiator, at least now, would be in its BSD Unix based OS. That, given hardware laggings the last few years, remains my main attraction to the Mac. I've mostly migrated to laptops running Linux, with the exception of my recently purchased iMac. I still like the ability to bring up the terminal and play with Unix like the olden days, before even Linux existed. I still have a funny when I think about someone like Bill Gates taking over a Mac subsidiary company
And yet... I keep seeing Coffee Lake laptops with 32GB of RAM from other vendors. What are they doing?
Here's one from Dell:
Or is this one of those situations where Apple insists on using some kind of "special" RAM that hardly any other vendor uses... so it's either non-existent or very expensive to implement in volume?
I bet if you asked the people who want 32GB in a Mac laptop... they wouldn't care what kind of chipset it had to use in order to get 32GB of RAM.
Just a hunch...
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It's not the Ultra-Flat kind. The extra few millimeters of thickness are unacceptable to support a full 32 GB. Also something something about power consumption.
Absolutely! Anyone who is really leveraging their systems to their capacities will be heavily reliant on them. I'm in the same boat. Just a few weeks ago I had to replace my 2013 iMac due to severe system slowdowns caused by a harddrive that was hours away from failure (according to numerous S.M.A.R.T. diagnostics I ran). Although I have been exploring my exit strategy from Appleland should the time come, I wasn't ready to do it on the spot. I bought another iMac to replace it, and bought an external SSD drive for that old iMac so that I could repurpose the iMac for non-critical functions.
I will be ready when THIS iMac needs to be replaced.
But I'm not complaining about the current state of Apple products. I'm not begging and pleading with Apple for them to do things so that I can willingly give them more of my money (my openness to continue to buy from them should be incentive enough)
For those folks who are not satisfied with the current Apple products nor with the direction the company is going, now is the time to starting exploring and experimenting with a life-after-Apple.
It is difficult for me to muster up sympathy for people who continue to complain and continue to hand over their hard-earned money to a company that doesn't appear to be interested in what they need and feel is important.
I can understand that. But just as switching from Windows to MacOS caused me to "think different" to get tasks done, that effort has made it easier for me to "think different" as I consider alternatives to MacOS.
I'm not quite at the point of pleading. But I really want something viable for me to be released in 2018. Or lower the prices if Apple just wants me to buy the 2017 machines in 2018. But I can't switch. I use Windows machines at work and at home (as a replacement). And it is insufferable. I set up a new Windows machine for my home use recently. You would not believe the amount of crapware the base Windows 10 build comes with. Tons of crap free to play games and such. It was pathetic on a machine dedicated to work. And the software builds that look like webapps instead of real applications. Set up was confusing and, bizarrely, not integrated with Office 365.
Also I work for a small company and since I'm the most technically sophisticated person (there ain't much competition), I basically function often as the IT department. Mainly I don't want to spend the money on IT support, so I do it myself. But man can it be frustrating to keep five or six windows machines running. Two guys in the office use Macs. They had them when we hired them and I let them keep using it. And they basically never ask for help. And one of them is completely tech illiterate.
As much as Apple is killing us with some of the their hardware choices, their OS and software I really like and find really usable. So I'm going to stick with it. But Apple does lose money if I hold out on upgrading my hardware. So I'm voting a bit with my wallet every day I hold off on buying a new machine.
Coffee Lake supports DDR4 and LPDDR3 RAM. DDR4 RAM apparently uses A LOT more power on standby than LPDDR3. Also apparently, LPDDR3 only comes in up to 8GB sticks, hence max 16GB.
So the question is do we want 32GB RAM, or do we want our computer to be able to sleep for a month without emptying the battery?
Of course, I would be suggesting using Apple's lightning fast NVME SSDs to hibernate the computer instead, therefore using zero power while sleeping, but that's just me.
I'm in the market for a new MacBook Pro and that face ID iPad Pro in the fall... Could work out nicely.
I know, right? Windows 10 "Professional" comes with Bubble Witch and Candy Crush Saga, plus others. REALLY MICROSOFT?????
Ah... I see.
So how much is A LOT of power used by regular DDR4 memory? Has this actually been measured? And is it very important?
Because apparently Dell, HP, Asus, Acer, Gigabyte, MSI, Samsung and others didn't get the memo about the increased standby power-usage of DDR4 memory. They're all offering laptops with current 8th-gen Coffee Lake 6-core Intel processors with regular DDR4 memory.
I guess Apple cares more about the "standby power" people rather than the "maximum RAM" people...
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Its sad how the blind apple lovers cant demand products besides of what apple gives them
Example, “i want a mac mini”! Why not demand something more useful and expandable, like the amazing IIcx?
“I want a Mac Pro and with a xeon cpu!” Same thing as i said, but instead of a xeon, give me an AMD Threadripper and pass me the price savings.
Talking about AMD, open your eyes and stop drinking the intel koolaid, we are getting robbed by their prices.
How about cheaper devices made with polycarbonate cases instead of aluminum? Again, pass me the savings.
Seriously, demand more or take your money to someone that it’s willing to listen to your demands. Osx is not that magical. (And yes, i despise windows).
Example, “i want a mac mini”! Why not demand something more useful and expandable, like the amazing IIcx?
“I want a Mac Pro and with a xeon cpu!” Same thing as i said, but instead of a xeon, give me an AMD Threadripper and pass me the price savings.
Talking about AMD, open your eyes and stop drinking the intel koolaid, we are getting robbed by their prices.
How about cheaper devices made with polycarbonate cases instead of aluminum? Again, pass me the savings.
Seriously, demand more or take your money to someone that it’s willing to listen to your demands. Osx is not that magical. (And yes, i despise windows).
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I'm just going by this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/5dimal/lpddr3_vs_ddr4_power_usage/
Hardly a reliable source, but better than nothing. If I cared more, I'd dig into their references, but I don't.
It suggests that in standby, DDR4 would use 10 times more power than LPDDR3. Considering other minor power drains during sleep this difference is moderated a little, but it still turns a week of sleeping battery to over a month.
Because apparently Dell, HP, Asus, Acer, Gigabyte, MSI, Samsung and others didn't get the memo about the increased power-usage of DDR4 memory. They're all offering laptops with current 8th-gen Coffee Lake 6-core Intel processors with regular DDR4 memory.
I guess Apple cares more about the "standby power" people rather than the "maximum RAM" people...
Well, I think it comes from Apple moving from notebooks designed to be used both on and off mains power, to devices designed to be mostly used off mains power. Otherwise, how often are you likely to be away from power for a week, before you suddenly need to use your MBP? Of course, if you're actually using the computer, the power difference is completely irrelevant and could actually be slightly in DDR4's favour.
Sure... the "I'm away from power for a week" scenario is valid.
It's just funny when a dozen companies do one thing... and then there's Apple doing something completely different. Apple favors standby power... while everyone else doesn't think it's that big of a deal.
I'm sure there's someone with a Dell who's frustrated when their laptop is dead after a week of standby.
But at least they get to have 32GB of RAM when they need it!
Mostly agree, AMD's Threadripper and Desktop Ryzen's are fantastic. Their mobile offerings however are not. If they released an 8-core mobile Ryzen, then it would certainly be welcome in the 15" MBP. However it does not look like they are releasing one any time soon (I hope I'm wrong).
In terms of Polycarbonate, Please no, kill it with fire. Remember the white plastic MacBook? *Shudder* Anyway, aluminium is not expensive in the context of a multi-grand notebook.
Windows 10 has come a long way (I use it daily, as with OSX) but it is still nowhere near as good as OSX. Every minor bug in OSX is magnified via the internet into a frenzy firestorm of negativity, whereas far more serious bugs in W10 are ignored and accepted as normal. There are widespread reports of W10 updates causing things like blue screen or freeze loops on startup quite recently, it's happened to me. This just does not happen with OSX.
Also, the quality of the trackpad, case and screen are just so far above any other W10 PC I've seen, it's not even close. There might be some PCs out there with better screens, but I'm sure you'll pay for it in other areas, as well as money.
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Well, I don't think standby power on a MBP is that big of a deal. I see the MBP as a device that's mostly just carried between work and home. Often used off mains power for convenience, but mains power is never far away.Sure... the "I'm away from power for a week" scenario is valid.
It's just funny when a dozen companies do one thing... and then there's Apple doing something completely different. Apple favors standby power... while everyone else doesn't think it's that big of a deal.
I'm sure there's someone with a Dell who's frustrated when their laptop is dead after a week of standby.
But at least they get to have 32GB of RAM when they need it!
I think standby power is more relevant for the MacBook, which is more designed to be carried around without having to think about it, and pulled out at any time for some quick internet, word processing or video consumption.
It bothers me how the MBP is becoming more like a MB, while the MB is becoming more like an iPad (and the iPad is becoming more like a MB, FWIW). Lines are being blurred, and product distinction is slowly disappearing.
Dead after a week in standby if they started with a 100% full battery. What about if they only have 25%?Sure... the "I'm away from power for a week" scenario is valid.
It's just funny when a dozen companies do one thing... and then there's Apple doing something completely different. Apple favors standby power... while everyone else doesn't think it's that big of a deal.
I'm sure there's someone with a Dell who's frustrated when their laptop is dead after a week of standby.
But at least they get to have 32GB of RAM when they need it!
100% of MBP users can benefit from lower battery drain, but relatively few would spec a 32GB laptop. I’d guess maybe 10-15% of buyers might buy a 32GB option. Many are fine with 8GB, 16GB covers most.
Apple has a long history of focusing on what’s best for 80-90% of their potential customer base. They know very well they’ll never satisfy 100% of what people might want.
If 100% of users can benefit from lower battery drain, then 100% of users would surely benefit from a larger battery? Yet Apple have significantly reduced the size of the battery in the MBP over the years.
Depending on the price, I'd probably end up getting the 16GB option if 32GB was available, but that's more likely to be due to the outrageous cost such an upgrade is likely to be, and that's beside the point. The computer should be capable of lasting 5 years, and it is entirely possible that 16GB will be very restrictive for many pro apps in that time. This is quite a problem as RAM is no longer user upgradeable.
Furthermore, for people who would like to leave their computer for a week before using it without access to power, there is the MacBook, and there is Hibernate mode. If 32GB of RAM is not an option, there is not much a user who needs it can do other than forget portability and buy a desktop instead.
No, they look so dated. Not to mention 2016 redesign looks dated already. Those huge bazels. We could have bigger displays in the same body.
Also thin and light is a way for me. Not every “pro” user is like you. I’m a developer, I don’t care for ports at all, actually usb-c is the way to go, this port is the best.
I only care for portability, weight and raw power. All of which the 2016 MacBook Pro with Touch Bar lacks sadly.
It’s still quite heavy, doesn’t last not even 5 hours on max load so there goes portability and also raw power really sucks.
I’d like 12” retina MacBook with edge-to-edge screen (thus maybe 13”?), 32 gigs of ram and some killer cpu/gpu like Apple puts in their iPads. But this is a 2020+ product at the earliest.
Now tell me how Apple is listening to their customers. Everybody doesn’t need SD card slots, firewire ports and I don’t know what else.
I only connect power, iPhone and external monitor. Four ports are more then enough, especially such good ones.
Apple nowadays seems limited by Intel actually, constantly waiting for new processors which don’t deliver anyway. I mean imagine TSMC did their mac processors with their own design, they would be miles away from competition.
They'd probably have a dead battery.
It's not the end of the world. Do you remember what life was like before we had low-power RAM?
You're right though. It's probably just a vocal minority on these forums who demand 32GB of RAM in a laptop. It's not for everybody.
Dell's solution is using LPDDR3 RAM in their 13" models... while offering up to 32GB of regular DDR4 RAM in their 15" models.
It's makes sense. Thinner, smaller laptops with power-sipping RAM... but bigger laptops with bigger batteries with more power and more RAM.
However... Apple's solution is to put low-power RAM in ALL their laptops. Even the bigger "pro" models. It's frustrating for those who do want more RAM and who are willing to pay for it... but they simply can't have it.
But it allows Apple to get on stage and tout their "30-day standby time"
Hooray
The question is...
Does Apple have the "courage" to revert it decisions and put back more ports, older keyboard, and a thicker more reliable design?
Does Apple have the "courage" to revert it decisions and put back more ports, older keyboard, and a thicker more reliable design?
Battery size was reduced as power efficiency increased. With the newer, more power efficient Intel processors, battery capacity was reduced while still increasing run time. 2015 MBP: 9 hrs. wireless web browsing, 9 hrs. iTunes movie playback, 99.5 Wh battery. 2017 MBP: 10 hrs. wireless web browsing, 10 hrs. iTunes movie playback, 76 Wh battery.
Saying 100% of users could benefit from a larger battery is the same as saying 100% of users would have to put up with a heavier, thicker machine. Sure, Apple could have continued to use a 99.5 Wh battery in the 2016/2017 MBP and had 13 hrs. of web browsing/iTunes movie playback. Instead, they chose to reduce the size and weight of the machine by using a smaller battery, while still increasing runtimes compared with the previous model.
Apple knows how their users use their machines. People value being able to have a 40% charge and 3 days later have it still be at 30%—not dead. That was a design goal. 32GB of RAM was not.
MBP has always been positioned as a thin, light, reasonably powerful laptop with rather good battery life. It’s never been touted as a desktop replacement, and those that need more CPU, GPU, RAM or storage than MBP offers have desktop options with iMac, iMac Pro and Mac Pro.
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