Apple Registers Three New Macs in Eurasia Ahead of Thursday's 'Hello Again' Event

[GZR]

IMO- The model numbers being sequential points to three variants of the same model, for example the current stock configuration 13" Retina models have numbers 839/840/841 for the 128/256/512GB models respectively.

I would have thought Apple would have the sense to have just two variants for each model but that may not be the case

 

[ktecac]

Anyone care to guess what the chances are that we will still see a new iMac and/or Mac Pro?

Originally I wanted a MacBook Pro but since I use it as a desktop only now its kind of pointless. I like the MagicTouch bar or whatever its called - very cool and hopefully they will have these on the Apple Keyboards for iMacs etc, but it won't be much use if its closed all the time lol

Rumors this close to an event aren't ALWAYS right are they?

 

[Workerbee Redux]

Anyone care to guess what the chances are that we will still see a new iMac and/or Mac Pro?

For the Mac Pro, slim. Skylake Xeons will come out in the first half of 2017 and I doubt Apple will go for Broadwell that late in the product cycle. Maybe they'll do an announcement.

 

[jccrtv]

Could we please have the option for more than 16 gig of mem in the Macbook Pro? Can you imagine the extra cost they'd tack on for that option?

 

[joscejrod]

Maybe I can use a new MacBook Pro as my desktop machine until the iMac is updated. My iMac is dying.

Do you want a new 21'5 or 27" imac?

 

[LJC94512]

IMO- The model numbers being sequential points to three variants of the same model, for example the current stock configuration 13" Retina models have numbers 839/840/841 for the 128/256/512GB models respectively.

I would have thought Apple would have the sense to have just two variants for each model but that may not be the case

Happy to say you are wrong lol. What you are referring to may be model number, but this article stated that the leaked model numbers are A1706,A1707 and A1708. This doesn't quite fit into the format you are stating. You may say what you've looked up is called part number. Check this website for the part numbers of each MacBook Pro models, which Apple says are model number and admittedly quiteconfusing:

https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201300

Now check this website which has the model numbers of all Macs ever built:

http://www.everymac.com/systems/by_capability/mac-specs-by-model-number-family-number.html

I've checked carefully in this website that under the same product line the model number only changes when there is a physical change to the hardware. That's why the Early 2015 MacBook and Early 2016 MacBook have the same model number, but the Late 2012 and Late 2013 13" Retina MacBook Pro have different model numbers because the 2013 MBP is ever so slightly thinner. The model number doesn't change with spec upgrades so the MBPs have stayed with the same model number since late 2013.
Another point is, it really doesn't make sense to have these 3 leaked new model numbers representing a 13", 15" MBP and a new 13" rMB. They are not under the same product line and none of the Macs that are different class have consecutive numberings. E.g. You don't see an iMac and a Mac mini will have consecutive model number due to them having very different physical form factors.

Hence, the only reason to justify the 3 consecutive model numbers is Apple has 3 form factors planned right from the start when they are developing the newly redesigned MBP. So echoing previous posts, I am calling it too: we will see a 17" MBP on Thursday. I am honestly surprised by this because no leaks about this is out until now.

 

[Max Portakabin]

Still no desktops? FML

 

[Scheldon]

So what do they call a 13" Retina Air?

The 13" Retina MacBook.

Drop the whole Air thing completely.

They sell 12 and 13 inch MacBooks with no low price mac? Is more logic think, they put one USB-c on 13inch , make 1 our 2 update in internals and sell in like a legacy MacBook, the same thing they make with the non-retina MacBook Pro.

 

[smulji]

This won't happen. Simply because it will add a lot of confusing message to the users by offering an ARM Mac... except if this machine only runs iOS...

Judging by the success of Chromebooks and the mainstream user's desire for something simple, this isn't out of the realm of possibility.

 

[GZR]

@LJC94512 thank you for the insight!

 

[sn1p3r845]

They're too busy trying to convince people that the iPad Pro is all you need.

I wonder how Tim thinks all his fancy 3D product videos get made.

 

[smulji]

Happy to say you are wrong lol. What you are referring to may be model number, but this article stated that the leaked model numbers are A1706,A1707 and A1708. This doesn't quite fit into the format you are stating. You may say what you've looked up is called part number. Check this website for the part numbers of each MacBook Pro models, which Apple says are model number and admittedly quiteconfusing:

https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201300

Now check this website which has the model numbers of all Macs ever built:

http://www.everymac.com/systems/by_capability/mac-specs-by-model-number-family-number.html

I've checked carefully in this website that under the same product line the model number only changes when there is a physical change to the hardware. That's why the Early 2015 MacBook and Early 2016 MacBook have the same model number, but the Late 2012 and Late 2013 13" Retina MacBook Pro have different model numbers because the 2013 MBP is ever so slightly thinner. The model number doesn't change with spec upgrades so the MBPs have stayed with the same model number since late 2013.
Another point is, it really doesn't make sense to have these 3 leaked new model numbers representing a 13", 15" MBP and a new 13" rMB. They are not under the same product line and none of the Macs that are different class have consecutive numberings. E.g. You don't see an iMac and a Mac mini will have consecutive model number due to them having very different physical form factors.

Hence, the only reason to justify the 3 consecutive model numbers is Apple has 3 form factors planned right from the start when they are developing the newly redesigned MBP. So echoing previous posts, I am calling it too: we will see a 17" MBP on Thursday. I am honestly surprised by this because no leaks about this is out until now.

Definitely interesting insight. What if the other reason for the consecutive model numbering is they're consolidating their laptop lines and just calling it Macbook (12", 13", 15").

 

[LJC94512]

They sell 12 and 13 inch MacBooks with no low price mac? Is more logic think, they put one USB-c on 13inch , make 1 our 2 update in internals and sell in like a legacy MacBook, the same thing they make with the non-retina MacBook Pro.

Or how about they drop the price of rMB to MBA level and have 'courage' and discontinue the MBA line up completely? One of the few things I don't understand is why the mid 2012 non-retina MBP is still here.

 

[Altivec88]

For the Mac Pro, slim. Skylake Xeons will come out in the first half of 2017 and I doubt Apple will go for Broadwell that late in the product cycle. Maybe they'll do an announcement.

Skylake Xeons? What are those?

The current Mac Pro uses Xeon E5v2 processors. Intel released the v3 almost 2 years ago, and updated it again to v4 almost 6 months ago. Intel is not what is holding Apple back for the Mac Pro. Only Apple is holding Apple back. I just hope they get booed off the stage if no MacPro's are released because if I was at that keynote, thats exactly what would be happening.

 

[LJC94512]

Definitely interesting insight. What if the other reason for the consecutive model numbering is they're consolidating their laptop lines and just calling it Macbook (12", 13", 15").

I see what you mean, but what I see is the Mac laptop needs 2 separate class of products to cater different needs. Believe me, I study Medicine and my fellow students are only concerned with having a Mac so that they can read the lectures and in leisure time watch Netflix and surf the web and buy clothes whilst very keen on the laptop being thin and light to carry around. Hence most of them have a MBA just because it's cheaper and they know they don't need that extra performance (they can't even tell the difference between a retina and non-retina display, what a crazy world we live in lol). Whereas someone like me in addition to doing lectures and binge watching YouTube, I am also into music production and running Logic Pro X on my Mac smoothly is required too (my mid 2012 retina MBP is starting to show its age on this aspect). I also do some light gaming by running boot camp too. So we need to appreciate the fact that there are users that are so dumb that they only want thin and light, but some users do crave more oomph in the laptop for demanding work. Hence unifying MacBook will have some users complain it's too heavy (mostly just the 15" model, but hey everyone likes to find something to complain because it feels good doesn't it) and the power users will complain it being really weak (do you think you can even put a GTX 1050 equivalent in the rMB form factor?) It is wiser to have 2 class of laptops to cater the 2 different group of users. The MBA used to serve the thin and light group, but it has been replaced by the rMB. That's why MBA has to go.

 

[Mac 128]

The computers are getting so light that the magnets are too strong and don't disconnect before the computer moves. And if they made the magnet weaker there would be too many accidental disconnects.

Maybe a weaker magnet wouldn't have too many accidental disconnects, but I know my dogs have successfully pulled my MacBook Air to the floor several times without the MagSafe connector pulling out.

I liked both of these comments, because this is exactly the issue. I tested this several times at Apple Stores, yanking on the MBA magsafe cable and watching the laptop slide off the table without disconnecting.

I tried the same experiment with the Retina MacBook, and the USB-C cable pops right out.

Combined with the extended battery life and lower power requirements of these new laptops, the main argument for magsafe is a simple to use snap-on connector. The only thing easier would be if Mag-Safe were round so it wouldn't matter how the connector was oriented at all. The Watch charging puck is a perfect example of that. So Apple is well aware of the value of that kind of ease of connectivity, but given that the primary usefulness of Mag-Safe was to prevent accidents, the value has significantly waned in the face of every lighter laptops. Truly Mag-safe is the least of the issues people should be concerned with here.

 

[vikingjunior]

I'm over here like where are the AirPods?

 

[Scheldon]

Or how about they drop the price of rMB to MBA level and have 'courage' and discontinue the MBA line up completely? One of the few things I don't understand is why the mid 2012 non-retina MBP is still here.

Maybe, but have two points:
1) apple and consumers need a legacy device for N reasons how my poor South America "ingrixi" don't are able to show (or is very difficult for me).
2) they need to make a mega drop in the price , a huge drop, and you know , apple love money too much for this, maybe maybe next year , with new MacBooks arm A11 chips and more cheap technology they drop the MacBook line in favor of MacBook retina

 

[LJC94512]

Maybe, but have two points:
1) apple and consumers need a legacy device for N reasons how my poor South America "ingrixi" don't are able to show (or is very difficult for me).
2) they need to make a mega drop in the price , a huge drop, and you know , apple love money too much for this, maybe maybe next year , with new MacBooks arm A11 chips and more cheap technology they drop the MacBook line in favor of MacBook retina

I do apologise for not being able to understand your English quite well but I'll try my best to answer.
Cheapest Early 2016 rMB is £1049
Mid 2012 non-retina 13" MBP is £899
Cheapest Early 2015 13" MBA is £849

Given that the 11" will be discontinued (because it's physical dimension is pretty much the same to rMB except the rMB is much thinner), I ignored it being in the possibility of this mix. So, as you can see, a later offering by Apple the 2015 MBA is still cheaper than the ancient 2012 MBP. To say the 2012 MBP is here for budget users is simply not true.

So, you are right, the prices really need to ↓ a lot to make a legacy device truly budget. I would say if this has to happen, the 13" MBA can stay priced at £749. The rMB needs to drop its price to at least £849 followed by a newly released 13" rMB at £949. The 2012 MBP must go as it has no reason to be here.

Extra note: I see the 12" rMB as the new 11" MBA. The actual screen size of a 11" laptop is 11.6" and the 12" rMB is actually 12.1". Both laptops have very similar dimensions except thickness. The 0.5" difference in screen size is not significant, so the 12" rMB has to fill in the shoes of 11" MBA where a new 13" rMB will join the line up as the replacement to the 13" MBA, using the current dimension of the 13" rMBP which has smaller bezels than the MBA but with a same sized display.

 

[smulji]

I do apologise for not being able to understand your English quite well but I'll try my best to answer.
Cheapest Early 2016 rMB is £1049
Mid 2012 non-retina 13" MBP is £899
Cheapest Early 2015 13" MBA is £849

Given that the 11" will be discontinued (because it's physical dimension is pretty much the same to rMB except the rMB is much thinner), I ignored it being in the possibility of this mix. So, as you can see, a later offering by Apple the 2015 MBA is still cheaper than the ancient 2012 MBP. To say the 2012 MBP is here for budget users is simply not true.

So, you are right, the prices really need to ↓ a lot to make a legacy device truly budget. I would say if this has to happen, the 13" MBA can stay priced at £749. The rMB needs to drop its price to at least £849 followed by a newly released 13" rMB at £949. The 2012 MBP must go as it has no reason to be here.

Extra note: I see the 12" rMB as the new 11" MBA. The actual screen size of a 11" laptop is 11.6" and the 12" rMB is actually 12.1". Both laptops have very similar dimensions except thickness. The 0.5" difference in screen size is not significant, so the 12" rMB has to fill in the shoes of 11" MBA where a new 13" rMB will join the line up as the replacement to the 13" MBA, using the current dimension of the 13" rMBP which has smaller bezels than the MBA but with a same sized display.

So based on previous posts, you see the following lineup?

12" rMB
13" rMB

13" MBP
15" MBP
17" MBP

 

[toke lahti]

An A10X MacBook capable of running macOS with iOS 10 apps in windowed mode would be interesting. It immediately would resolve the app gap. Apples like Office on iPad are pretty much mature. An Excel guru told me once, Excel on iOS is way more powerful than Excel 2003.

Sure, but "interesting" isn't where Apple is aiming with macs...

 

[Dydegu]

I do apologise for not being able to understand your English quite well but I'll try my best to answer.
Cheapest Early 2016 rMB is £1049
Mid 2012 non-retina 13" MBP is £899
Cheapest Early 2015 13" MBA is £849

Given that the 11" will be discontinued (because it's physical dimension is pretty much the same to rMB except the rMB is much thinner), I ignored it being in the possibility of this mix. So, as you can see, a later offering by Apple the 2015 MBA is still cheaper than the ancient 2012 MBP. To say the 2012 MBP is here for budget users is simply not true.

So, you are right, the prices really need to ↓ a lot to make a legacy device truly budget. I would say if this has to happen, the 13" MBA can stay priced at £749. The rMB needs to drop its price to at least £849 followed by a newly released 13" rMB at £949. The 2012 MBP must go as it has no reason to be here.

Extra note: I see the 12" rMB as the new 11" MBA. The actual screen size of a 11" laptop is 11.6" and the 12" rMB is actually 12.1". Both laptops have very similar dimensions except thickness. The 0.5" difference in screen size is not significant, so the 12" rMB has to fill in the shoes of 11" MBA where a new 13" rMB will join the line up as the replacement to the 13" MBA, using the current dimension of the 13" rMBP which has smaller bezels than the MBA but with a same sized display.

A $1299 machine is not filling the shoes of an $899 machine.

 

[amegicfox]

No Mac Pro. No Mini. No iMac.

Apple has turned into a fashion gimmick company, and they're more interested in making iPhones and $15,000 watches.

The iPhone is a great device, but it's become the company's bread and butter. The Mac is dying.

Which sucks, because people need Macs to develop for iOS. Letting the Mac stagnate means flipping off your iOS developer base.

the iPhone it's a great device beside the nasty camera bump in the back and the slippery material it's made with

 

[LJC94512]

So based on previous posts, you see the following lineup?

12" rMB
13" rMB

13" MBP
15" MBP
17" MBP

Yes, I think this will be a clean lineup. The desktop caters a different set of users based on price (Mac mini), average to prosumer who wants all in one (iMac) and absolute pro who needs specific hardware like ECC memory or workstation graphics (Mac Pro)
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A $1299 machine is not filling the shoes of an $899 machine.

On money point of view no of course, but I think it really should. Maybe the 12" rMB can be $1099 and the 13" rMB will be $1299. I still think that is too expensive though.

 

[amegicfox]

Does every Mac release thread have to have someone who beats the Kaby drum. Last year it was the Skylake drum so what will it be next year?

Go back and read the other threads, the only advantage to Kaby might be the graphics processor. No advantage in battery life, computation speed, heat....

Oh did I forget to state; Apple is not between two releases they are on schedule with an October/Fall event and this time it's the MBP.

Now let me ask, are you in the market for a new MBP or just looking to complain about something?

Personally I'm in the market for a new MBP that is almost as light as the 12" rMB. I have found a need for the extra speed of the MBP but don't want the extra pound of the current model.

that's not the point!

Under Timmy Crook every product or service from Apple has become a pesky fly in the house.

Does a fly kill you ? not. But it is super f-annoying!!!

1. Example is the latest macbook: less battery then previous MacBooks, no magsafe, no memory card input, same port to charge and deal with inputs/outputs

I am sure we will all survive, but carrying a few adaptors and external batteries is freaking annoying.

2. Example with the Mac pro: no space to put 4 full size HDs and cards like the previous model.

Sure you can fill your desk with cables and external HDs but it is STUPID and messy to do so.

3. Example with the imac: no microphone port, no 3500rpm drive, no input to use it's display

4. Example with the mouse having the charging port at the bottom

5. example of having the Apple pen with a male port instead of a female

the list goes on and on

When I spend thousands of hard earned dollars on a laptop, I want the latest and greatest that technology has to offer, not the previous model of it's CPU