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Apple Reinstates Epic Games EU Developer Account, Paving the Way for Alternative App Store
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Now realize that Apple does not extend the same kind of deal with Spotify (or YouTube Music!) on iOS, even though they themselves receive this treatment on the Play Store, and then tell me what you think of their character.
It’s well known that Apple and Google have a business arrangement. The music one could well be a part of the search one — who knows? Clearly Google doesn’t seem to mind!
What mutually beneficial business arrangement could Apple make with Spotify?
These are *companies* looking out for the bottom line — kinda like…Spotify!
Understood, but you seem unable to criticize only one of these behemoth corporations. Can you explain why that is.
Not sure what you mean — who was I criticizing again? The DMA isn’t a company!
Well you obviously don't know Android.
I dunno — maybe if the “competition” had to invent all the software/infrastructure for the very app they are selling through, their prices may not be as competitive?
The App Store is a great way for iOS users to easily install and update an app. Apple is constantly adding new functionality to iOS and APIs for developers to make their apps better. Better apps = more sales.
It makes perfect sense for Apple to take a cut of sales/subscriptions as it *incentivizes* Apple to make app development better through iOS improvements and better APIs.
You seem to think that participating in the iOS ecosystem should be a free lunch — Apple disagrees 🤷🏻♂️
Ah, but that’s just the thing!
Apple built the device, OS, Store, APIs.
You want to sell on this platform of *hard work* you need to pay!
Complaining about having to pay to use the *hard work* of another just comes off as entitled whining.
You may not like paying, because you want free stuff 🤷🏻♂️
Nobody forces a company to use the App Store — the web exists! Yet companies *do* use it because they see a real benefit for their business. Gotta pay!
I think the iOS ecosystem should work more how macOS or Windows work today. If you call that a free lunch, then yes.
What plenty of people think is that one should be able to download an app for their iPhone from places other than one single Apple controlled marketplace.
That’s kind of it.
Apple can do what they like with their own AppStore - which they do and will continue to be able to do.
There just should be a place (like on every other os) where one can download something to their own device, that isn’t controlled by Apple, or restricted by Apples moral compass (vaping is bad for me so I can get no vaping app, and when that rule came into place, the app I did have installed was deleted from my phone at the next iOS update).
It’s just not on that, it’s my phone and it was a thousand quid, I don’t owe Apple anything else.
Heavily gimped by Apple's silly browser restrictions for the last seventeen years on iOS unfortunately.
The trade-off is that public transport companies were forced to support Apple Pay for buses and trains, which has been to my benefit as the end user, especially since I doubt they would probably just do the bare minimum and not even bother supporting it on the Apple Watch. I just wish that my country would also support transit access (the ability to use Apple Pay without needing to double click on my Apple Watch first), but I will be grateful for what I already enjoy.
Personally, I would prefer being able to use 1 unified solution (Apple Pay, which is basically a layer over any credit card I own) over having to deal with 3-4 different bank payment apps. Merchants don't get my payment information as well.
If it's one thing I have learnt over the years, it's that there is often good in bad, just as there is bad in good. Let's hope that even as people cheer the competition getting more options and access to iOS, it doesn't result in too many unintended consequences (the bank's decision to stop supporting Apple Pay could well be one).
And that very experiment is about to happen for you!
And those devs that choose it will still need to chip in their share to support the iOS ecosystem — sounds fair!
I’m not convinced many besides the billionaires will bother, but we’ll see!
On the “I don’t owe Apple anything else” — then you’re happy never updating iOS or updating an app from the App Store? Or do you want free stuff?
And how fast are those ecosystems progressing? Where’s the innovation?
Phone OS updates are implied with the price of the device. Android OEMs often note the length of support you'll get. App updates are also implied with the price of the app, just like how Steam and iTunes work with redownloads (this is more Akamai than Apple).
Apple don’t charge for updates, that’s on them - I’m getting nothing ‘for free’. Just like every dev in the App Store pays what Apple charges them, a $99 dev fee, none of them are getting anything for free either - contrary to to the tone of threads like this very one.
In Windows and Mac apps 😂 no nothing innovative there at all 😂 blimey, people need to look out of the window sometimes.
It is happening, and I'm hoping it will be a success, because then other countries will follow. Then sooner or later, Apple and Google will have to roll out the changes worldwide.
We've seen Apple recommend Applecare to Mac users who bought their mac from third party dealers. In year's past we've seen Apple include direct purchase links to subscribe to AOL or Earthlink on computers sold from retailers all over North America. While it may be true that you didn't have your box of Tide detergent send you to the "Tide store" to buy your fabric softener, we've absolutely seen Apple redirect people to their own store after buying their own products from other retailers.
Great. Keep the app store available on the iPhone. Nobody is saying that the app store has to go away.
So you’re making my point — if Apple or MS had a real incentive (like maybe an App Store with millions of apps they took a % of sales on) they might put more effort into those platforms 🤷🏻♂️
But free lunch reigns there, so stagnation it is!
I didn’t think the sarcasm tag was necessary for my post but evidently I overestimated the readership.
There is plenty of innovation in the application space, and none of it has anything to do with locked down AppStore’s.
since it no longer exists, i'm keen to know exactly what a Vaping App did?
like really? there was an app for that?
logged your puffs?
given the new health research and countries health advice, Apple probably could see legal action sometime down the track for enabling a dangerous action. removal was their answer.
Examples, please!
The only thing you overestimated was your ability to communicate effectively.
No mate. I’m not going to provide you with something you can very easily see for yourself. There is more to life than smartphone apps vetted by Apple.